FGD: DEADLINE TILT

Byron Bader
March 05 2014 03:19PM

Burke


Today the Calgary Flames (23-31-7) host the Ottawa Senators (27-24-11) at the Scotiabank Saddledome. The game comes mere hours after the annual NHL trade deadline.

The Flames and Senators went into the deadline with two different mantras. The Ottawa Senators, who sit 4 points out of the final Eastern wildcard spot, decided they were buyers in the days leading up to the deadline. The Flames, on the other hand, have been sellers since December.

The Senators added sometimes skillful but often non-existent Ales Hemsky to their roster for a 3rd and a 5th round pick, said goodbye to Cory Conacher (claimed on waivers by Buffalo) and inked Chris Phillips to a new two-year deal to ensure he'd stay a Senator. No Marty St. Louis-type blockbusters but Hemsky could add some scoring depth down the stretch.

The Flames, with such trade pieces as Michael Cammalleri, Lee Stempniak, Dennis Wideman, Jiri Hudler and Chris Butler, were expected to be very busy during the trade deadline. And, as the story goes, it sounds like the phone didn't ring once.

Michael Cammalleri, the biggest fish the flames had to trade, was not dealt. Dennis Wideman and Jiri Hudler were also not dealt. Chris Butler, a serviceable sixth/seven dman on a good team, was not dealt. Ladislad Smid is apparently as good as Sean Monahan and Mark Giordano and was made untradeable early on in the day by Mr. Burke. Stempniak to Pittsburgh has confirmed. In a neat twist of fate, the Flames traded Reto Berra to the Colorado Avalanche for some sort of draft pick. Incredibly, that draft pick was a 2nd rounder. That is an incredible haul for Berra and I think Flames' fans are satisfied with that one.

So there we have it. The day that was hoped to quicken this rebuild through some savvy trading from the Flames overlord yielded nothing major, but did gain them a couple draft picks.

THE LOCALS

Via www.dailyfaceoff.com 

  • Cammalleri - Backlund - Colborne
  • Hudler - Monahan - Hanowski
  • Bouma - Granlund - Byron
  • Reinhart - Knight - McGrattan

  • Giordano - Brodie
  • Smid - Wideman
  • Butler - Russell

  • Ortio

Cammalleri, sticking with the Flames, finds himself on the first-line with Backlund and Colborne. Still can't believe he wasn't dealt.  Moving on...

The great news is we get to see two more AHL kids tonight. Reinhart, who's been destroying the AHL of late, is back for another call-up. He will play on a line with McGrattan and his Heat teammate, Corban Knight. Knight, from all accounts, has been one of the driving forces of the Heat all year and is a responsible player in all three zone. He's also well known for his faceoff prowess and I'm curious if that'll immediately translate to the bigs or if it take some adjusting. (Update: with Stempniak also gone, Ben Hanowski comes up to play tonight.

With Berra heading to Colorado, Ortio will most certainly start this game.  Joey Mac is expected to arrive just before game time to back him up.  

THE OPPONENTS

  • Michalek - Spezza - Hemsky
  • MacArthur - Turris - Condra
  • Hoffman - Zibanejad - Ryan
  • Greening - Smith - Neil

  • Methot - Karlsson
  • Phillips - Ceci
  • Wiercioch - Gryba

  • Anderson

Hemsky will be in the line-up tonight as conveniently he was only three hours away from Calgary when he was traded. He is expected to slot in on the first line with Spezza and Michalek.

Curiously, Bobby Ryan is on the third line with Zibanejad and Hoffman. That's a strange one. He is an offensive threat if I've ever seen one. That's his role.  What is he doing on the checking line? I have no idea. Also, from everything I've heard, he, MacArthur and Turris have been lights-out together.  Very strange, to say the least.

Anderson gets the start in this one and it appears he'll get the lion share of the workload going down the stretch.

SUM IT UP

The Flames trade deadline was incredibly disappointing. Many moves were expected and basically none were made. On the bright side, the Flames at least didn't trade for players to make them better right now so hopefully a top-3 is all but a certainty.  

The game tonight will be interesting. One team bolstered their line-up slightly and are hoping to make a go of it. The other team, the Flames, were thinking that there would be many changes to their line-up come tonight and there is basically zero. Should be an interesting to see how the Flames come out of the gates in this one.

Puck drops at 7:30 pm MT on Sportsnet.

Fb039371a1a1b706383cb72243cb4446
Byron has a background in psychology, economics and business and is a business researcher/data analyst by day. His love for hockey is as deep as the ocean is wide. Tell him your questions and let him into your heart. Twitter: @Baderader; Email: byron.bader@gmail.com
Avatar
#1 Parallex
March 05 2014, 03:59PM
Trash it!
32
trashes
Props
8
props

Yes. Burke misread the market and as a result got left with no one to dance with and timed out at the end. Burke's one (and hopefully only) deadline as Calgary Flames GM has to go down as one of disappointment and missed opportunity.

Avatar
#2 Parallex
March 05 2014, 04:34PM
Trash it!
18
trashes
Props
9
props

@BurningSensation

I'm faily certain that we could have gotten something greater then nothing for Cammy (which as a result of Burke's inaction is exactly what we are getting).

You're assuming that it fait accompli that cammy will be resigned (and resigned to a contract that doesn't end up toxic, more difficult to move, or label him negative value). That's hardly assured.

C'mon... Burke screwed up by not moving Cammy (and to a lesser extent Butler). Plain and simple.

Avatar
#3 Derzie
March 05 2014, 11:07PM
Trash it!
17
trashes
Props
1
props

What's with all the Kool Aid drinkers supporting Burke? Berra for a 2nd is a comedic fluke. He gets no credit for that. Stemp for a 3rd is weak and not moving Cammi or Butler is opportunity lost. Cammi does not fit the plans and takes a spot away from a kid. Butler is Butler. Burke did the EXACT same thing in Toronto. Bluster, Bluster, Bluster, zip, trade Stempniak.

Avatar
#4 Daryl Stanley
March 05 2014, 08:46PM
Trash it!
14
trashes
Props
3
props
prendrefeu wrote:

Yap yap yap. So what? We're trying out our future, son. Our future. We really don't give a damn about your fading hopes.

Anything creative to say? Nah, didn't think so. Go and take a run around Stanley Park sometime. Maybe trip over a log, and dream about the Stanley Cup that won't land in your city.

I agree with Ed Kastelic. Great future - Ron Wilson will be your new coach this summer and Claude Loiselle will be your GM. Ya better get more goons cause you sure can't dance with the Canucks!

Avatar
#5 Glen Cochrane
March 05 2014, 08:36PM
Trash it!
11
trashes
Props
3
props
Ed Kastelic wrote:

ChubChubs is a retard! He probably thinks he could get a 3rd pick for the most useless, stinking pile of cow dung- he plays for the home team and has the lowest Corsi rating in the whole NHL. Guess who ? Hint Hint .....

Vancouver will POUND the a Flames on Saturday night! Sestito, Archibald, Bieksa will out goon Hartley's goon squad! The Canucks should bring Brandon Sugden out of retirement!

Avatar
#6 beloch
March 05 2014, 03:47PM
Trash it!
10
trashes
Props
3
props

Hemsky will likely be a handful tonight, since this will be his first clean breath of air after years of sucking in toxic fumes from the Oilers' dressing room. It will be a novelty for him to be on team where scoring actually helps instead of merely harming their precious lottery pick!

Ortio is in it deep now. He's probably going to play every game until either Ramo returns or he screws up so badly MacBackup is allowed to swap his paper-bag for a goalie mask.

Corban Knight and Max Reinhart are similarly in for a challenge because they've got big Ern on their line. If Hanowski doesn't impress, I bet Hartley will rotate Reinhart and/or Knight into Monahan's line.

Cammalleri... Man. I honestly don't know what to hope for here. If he plays great down the stretch he might be harder to resign. We can only hope Burke had nearly come to terms with Cammalleri before the deadline and that's why he wasn't sold at a bargain-basement price.

Avatar
#7 Parallex
March 05 2014, 07:23PM
Trash it!
9
trashes
Props
7
props

@Jeff In Lethbridge

"credentials"? We need "credentials" to talk about hockey and offer forth opinions now do we?

Guess the nations may as well fold up shop. Sorry Kent, Ryan, Wayne, and Co. Your going to have remove the comment sections unless all members and guest alike offer forth sufficient "credentials" to demonstrate that they have private access to the backrooms of the NHL.

All snark aside. If you're wondering what I'm basing it on, I'm basing it on the observed results of the last few days, media reporting, and Burke's own words... which I then use to form my own opinions on the matter.

Avatar
#8 Where.is.ville?
March 05 2014, 06:05PM
Trash it!
8
trashes
Props
3
props

I said some time ago that Cammi had no real value on the open market. I guess I was right. If he resigns withe the Flames it will be for less than he is making now. He is still a solid second or third line player.

Avatar
#9 coachedpotatoe
March 05 2014, 05:54PM
Trash it!
7
trashes
Props
6
props

Like Burke I have been silent most of the day. I readily admit I am not a Burke fan but promised I would judge him by his actions or inactions as may be the case. So first the praise, getting a 2nd for Berra was good but I'mm not sure after listening to Burke that this was all that hard, it sounds like the Av's wanted him, the Stemp deal was pretty much what most of us expected. So for what he did do I will give him a B. None of us will know what was offered and rejected for Cammi and Butler but he can't resign them then his grade for that will be a D. (not an F because he will have two positions to fill and I hope he can upgrade on both of them through that route)

Now he has three important jobs to do: 1. Get a GM in place that is more than just a yes man and whom other teams will do business with. 2. Get the college kids signed once their season ends. 3. Allow the scouts, coaches and new GM(once he hires one) to do their jobs.

Again I am prepared to wait and see. For all Burke disciples, today was not overwhelming and did not convince us skeptics.

Avatar
#10 maimster
March 05 2014, 07:35PM
Trash it!
7
trashes
Props
3
props

I only have opinions with no facts about what Flame management knew, what they heard, who they talked to, etc.

My opinion is that Cammi should have been traded for almost anything, he doesn't add much to the Flames anymore and re-signing him in the off-season has little value. If absolutely no one offered anything for Cammi, well, not much you can do, but I suspect Burke was holding out for too much.

My opinion is the Berra trade was stunning - he is very difficult to watch play and I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore. The 2nd is a bonus.

My opinion is you have to keep some veterans and while Hudler's value is at an all time high, it doesn't bother me he wasn't traded. I'm less of a Stajan fan, but that die has already been cast. Beyond them (and the veteran D-men), I'm not sure what the point of keeping any of those vets is for the rest of the season. There will be plenty of other high-character, good-value vets to acquire in the offseason (there always are) and there's nothing special about the ones already here. If there was ANYTHING (I mean anything) offered for Smid/Butler/Cammi/McGratten (I kid), they should have been traded.

In my opinion...

Avatar
#11 BurningSensation
March 05 2014, 04:16PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
11
props
Parallex wrote:

Yes. Burke misread the market and as a result got left with no one to dance with and timed out at the end. Burke's one (and hopefully only) deadline as Calgary Flames GM has to go down as one of disappointment and missed opportunity.

By what measure is this a disappointment? We picked up two picks in the top 3 rounds, and it cost us Reto Berra and Stemp.

By any measure, that is a win.

Giving Cammalleri away for nothing isn't helpful to the team. Better to resign him and try again next year.

Avatar
#12 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 05 2014, 04:45PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
5
props
Parallex wrote:

I'm faily certain that we could have gotten something greater then nothing for Cammy (which as a result of Burke's inaction is exactly what we are getting).

You're assuming that it fait accompli that cammy will be resigned (and resigned to a contract that doesn't end up toxic, more difficult to move, or label him negative value). That's hardly assured.

C'mon... Burke screwed up by not moving Cammy (and to a lesser extent Butler). Plain and simple.

I'll admit that i expect resigning Cammi will not be that difficult.

Avatar
#13 jeremywilhelm
March 05 2014, 05:34PM
Trash it!
6
trashes
Props
2
props

Look at that line up, that is tank worthy as any team in the NHL.

Avatar
#14 Ryan Pike
March 05 2014, 06:37PM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Props
12
props

I would argue that, of the teams near the bottom of the standings, Calgary did the least to improve their club.

Avatar
#15 Ed Kastelic
March 05 2014, 08:30PM
Trash it!
5
trashes
Props
2
props
Primo wrote:

Today Burke added an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder for his scouts to work with in the 2014 draft. The 2015 draft is just as critical and next year at this time I'm confident he will add more pieces. If Burke can sign Cammy that will add an established veteran presence that's required for his upcoming young players. If not let's move on.

When Burke says he hopes to be a Buyer next year at this time that is simply to appease the season ticket holders and sponsors. Reality is that this team needs 2-3 years of rebuild which means drafting top level talent during the next 3 drafts. Let's have patience and enjoy the top 5 young prospects from Abby that will be playing tonight and potentially Johhny G and Bill Arnold shortly. I'm actually excited about the future.

ChubChubs is a retard! He probably thinks he could get a 3rd pick for the most useless, stinking pile of cow dung- he plays for the home team and has the lowest Corsi rating in the whole NHL. Guess who ? Hint Hint .....

Avatar
#16 Gimmick
March 05 2014, 03:40PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
9
props

Burke didn't say Smid was untouchable. He said he wasn't in play... He clarified that to mean no one had called him about Smid. BIG difference. But yes, underwhelmed. That said makes flames look good for getting first rounders last year outta Iggy and Bowie

Avatar
#17 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 05 2014, 04:51PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
11
props

@Parallex

what credentials do you offer to substantiate your claim that he misread the market? did you happen to get in a several dozen trade calls from various GM's so as to know exactly what the market was?

Can you please identify what opportunities he passed on? or are you just assuming there were awesome opportunities?

Avatar
#18 SeanCharles
March 05 2014, 05:17PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
4
props

Free Flames tix tonight anyone?

Best PL seats in the dome, I promise u that...

First reply can have em...

Avatar
#19 prendrefeu
March 05 2014, 08:30PM
Trash it!
4
trashes
Props
13
props

Whole 'lotta hand wringing in here.

In the end it is what it is and the Flames still have a better prospectus than the Oilers, the Panthers, the Islanders, and the Sabres. Of all the 'rebuild' mode teams, the Flames have the best chance to get back into contention within the shortest amount of time. Y'all need to see the forest and stop nitpicking about a few sickly trees.

And our forest looks damn good, son. Damn good. Bears be all rubbing their backs on them trees. Rabbits being used as butt wipes for the bears*, moose walkin' around doin' moose things. Birds chirpin'. Sky rainin', giving us a future. Endangered owls makin' a come back. Yeah son, the future is solid. Solid wood baby.



* reference to a Eddie Murphy joke

Avatar
#20 Lordmork
March 05 2014, 03:40PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
9
props

I can't complain about either the Berra trade or the Stempniak trade, or about the return on either. I was hoping the team would be more active selling, but maybe the asking price for Cammalleri was too high given his recent struggles. I think some people vastly overvalued him.

That said, whether because of injury or trades, I really like the look of our current lineup from a youth perspective. We've been saying that the rebuild began late last season, but now the lineup actually looks that way. I doubt most of these guys are NHL-ready, but I'm happy to see a bunch of young guys with a sprinkling of veterans, rather than a bunch of vets with a sprinkling of young guys. There are some veterans on IR so some of the rookies will go back to Abbotsford soon, but I'm glad to see them play a few games.

Also, I guess Burke still isn't happy with Sven? I'd rather see him finish the season in Abby, but they've sure called up everyone who isn't nailed down, except him.

Avatar
#21 BurningSensation
March 05 2014, 03:51PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
6
props

@Byron Bader

"The Flames, with such trade pieces as Michael Cammalleri, Lee Stempniak, Dennis Wideman, Jiri Hudler and Chris Butler, were expected to be very busy during the trade deadline. And, as the story goes, it sounds like the phone didn't ring once."

I don't think there were was much expectation that the Flames would be super-busy outside of moving Cammalleri. Given the presser Burke gave, the phone did ring, but there was a lot of empty noise on the other end of the line.

"Michael Cammalleri, the biggest fish the flames had to trade, was not dealt. Dennis Wideman and Jiri Hudler were also not dealt. Chris Butler, a serviceable sixth/seven dman on a good team, was not dealt. Ladislad Smid is apparently as good as Sean Monahan and Mark Giordano and was made untradeable early on in the day by Mr. Burke."

That seems to be an uncharitable view of how Smid was handled. The more reasonable view is that the offers Burke got or solicited for Smid were below what he considered his value and rather than cloud the waters, he pulled him off the market.

For all those who are freaking out that we will get nothing for Cammalleri's services when his contract runs out, keep the following in mind;

- Burke and Cammalleri have had face to face meetings about signing a new contract. So Burke has a very clear picture of what the player and agent are looking for.

- Cammalleri has already come back to the Flames once before because he liked the mgt/city. He has been nothing but positive about Calgary, his role, etcc.

All of which tells me that a reasonable contract extension for Cammalleri could bee the next shoe the drop.

Avatar
#22 BurningSensation
March 05 2014, 04:18PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
4
props
Byron Bader wrote:

Ya that was more tongue and cheek about Smid. I assumed nobody called about him. Oh well.

I wouldn't mind resigning Cammalleri for a few years.

A 2nd and a 3rd is not terrible.

If 'not terrible' is punditese for 'DAMN FINE', than I agree.

Avatar
#23 piscera.infada
March 05 2014, 06:48PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
11
props
Ryan Pike wrote:

I would argue that, of the teams near the bottom of the standings, Calgary did the least to improve their club.

Buffalo stock-piled draft picks - that's what they do. Florida got a goalie - I'm not sure really what they're doing, but that's the way they seem to operate (no real plan, hope something comes together). The Islanders - Garth Snow. The Oilers ran around and tried to do something, but didn't accomplish a whole hell of a lot - par for the course (if it's not a first overall draft pick, they're not really sure what to do).

So I don't know about that. I don't think the Flames did appreciably better, but to say everyone "improved their club", I'm not sure you can say that. The Flames exit the deadline with two more picks in the 2nd and 3rd round, it's not horrible.

Avatar
#24 beloch and FART
March 05 2014, 09:19PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
2
props
ultrathinzigzags wrote:

russell vs ryan scrap? How'd that go?? lol Stuck working nights without a tv..

Russell got knocked out!!!

Avatar
#25 Steve
March 05 2014, 11:42PM
Trash it!
3
trashes
Props
2
props

All this talk over the last year about using cap space to our advantage to speed up the rebuild was a bust!!! Not only that, we missed the boat on our top trade piece!! You could see the disappointment on cammys face after the game. He could hardly crack a smile when he scored and I don't blame him. He expected to be in a playoff race trying to earn a big payday this summer. I've always been a big supporter of cammy and I feel he is a true professional and we owed him a chance at the cup and to increase his value after he's been such a professional this year for us and helping mentor the kids.

On a positive note Berra for a 2nd was robbery!

Overall I can't help but feel disappointed that we didn't cash in our 2 best options to help add pieces. If we continue to win we won't get Bennett either...

Not sure what to think at this point. I'm in need of FN counselling...

Avatar
#26 Jeff In Lethbridge
March 05 2014, 04:42PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
14
props

the Flames got 2nd and 3rd round picks, and more room for younger players on the roster in Calgary and Abby, but even more, that now have dropped two contracts that can be used for college kids soon.

Yes, everyone wanted to see Cammy get us a First rounder++, but obviously it didn't happen.

This is all a non-issue for me. The Cammy Saga will continue and will be interesting to see how this plays out. Who knows, maybe he becomes a top notch mentor for some up-and-coming undersized college kid next year?

Avatar
#27 SeanCharles
March 05 2014, 06:24PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
8
props
Where.is.ville? wrote:

I said some time ago that Cammi had no real value on the open market. I guess I was right. If he resigns withe the Flames it will be for less than he is making now. He is still a solid second or third line player.

Well when you have guys like Kesler available the whole market waits to see where he will land before offering anything for Cammi or any other forward...

And when Vanek and Moulson are the next guys available, who I might add got terrible value, it's not surprising Cammi didn't have much value.

It's a negotiation and when you are getting low balled sometimes it's better to stand your ground just so the message is sent that you will not cave...

This is why the NHL is playing coy with next Olympics, the IOC caved last negotiations so now the NHL thinks they can get more this time..

After listening to Burke today, and especially after the two late trades, I wholeheartedly respect Burke and what he is building here.

Avatar
#28 prendrefeu
March 05 2014, 08:38PM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
9
props

@Glen Cochrane

Yap yap yap. So what? We're trying out our future, son. Our future. We really don't give a damn about your fading hopes.

Anything creative to say? Nah, didn't think so. Go and take a run around Stanley Park sometime. Maybe trip over a log, and dream about the Stanley Cup that won't land in your city.

Avatar
#29 beloch
March 06 2014, 12:01AM
Trash it!
2
trashes
Props
0
props

@Derzie

Look no further than the Vanek trade for the kind of deals Burke was probably being offered. All that Buffalo got for Vanek was a conditional second round pick and a forward "prospect" who lacks anything resembling offensive upside. To make matters worse, Buffalo had to kick in a fifth rounder to make that trade happen.

If Tim Murray is still a GM in the NHL at next year's deadline, you can bet your butt that he will get no good offers early and then, at the last minute, a ton of crazy lowball offers. Murray is now known to the GM's of the league as an easy mark. Getting something rather than nothing might have been better for the Flames, but accepting a fleecing like Murray did would have ended Burke's career as a GM.

This only explains why it made sense for Burke to reject the kind of last-minute, lowball offers that Murray fell for. It doesn't explain why he didn't unload Cammalleri earlier when more reasonable trades were being made for worse players. Burke definitely miscalculated Cammalleri's value. It's still possible to control the damage by inking Cammalleri to a new contract, but it remains to be seen if Burke can pull that off.

Avatar
#30 Scary Gary
March 05 2014, 03:53PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
46
props

I'm still shocked we got a second for Berra hahahahahahahahahha...hahahahaha...ha.

Avatar
#32 negrilcowboy
March 05 2014, 04:41PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
14
props

thank God the flames have berserkie at the wheel and not Garf Snowed, the 18 wheeler would have been off the cliff.

a 2nd for berra is mindboggling.

Avatar
#33 beloch
March 05 2014, 04:43PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
8
props

@Byron Bader

Many fans have been far too hasty in writing Baertschi off. Remember, he scored at 2 ppg in the WHL. That's pretty awesome! However, he clearly wasn't ready for the NHL this season. He was sent down mid-December and, by the end of January, his AHL point pace was just 0.313 ppg. That was pretty disappointing given that he was scoring at a pace of 0.432 ppg in the NHL despite not getting great minutes! Baertschi has now improved to 0.552 ppg on the season thanks to scoring at a greatly improved rate of 0.846 ppg since February 1st. Even this is still probably lower than would be expected from both his WHL and NHL numbers. However, the damage done to him in the NHL appears to be coming undone.

If you were Burke, would you yank Baertschi back up now because you need warm bodies for the goon squad or would you leave him where he is and see how far he rebounds? If you value Baertschi as a prospect, the answer is obvious. For us fans, that means we likely won't see Baertschi in the NHL until next season, but he will likely be a better player as a result.

Avatar
#34 exsanguinator
March 05 2014, 05:18PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
1
props
Byron Bader wrote:

I'd leave him down there for a bit. The notion of not just slotting him in to get eaten alive on the 4th line with McGrattan is a good one. It's pointless. Let him get the opportunity to shred the AHL for a bit. Call him up for the last 10 maybe.

I haven't looked at the standings lately but won't the Heat be playing hockey long after the Flames? Or does the AHL post season end a lot earlier than the NHL regular season?

Avatar
#35 vowswithin
March 05 2014, 05:27PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
7
props

I am curious if Burke is planning on resigning Cammy and then retaining salary for cap purposes and would also allow him to be traded much easier to a Contender.

That might be able to get us that 1st plus we all desire.

Just thinking aloud here

Avatar
#37 piscera.infada
March 05 2014, 05:59PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
12
props

I think the most interesting thing I heard today was Burke's press conference point about precedent. If the market really was driven as low on forwards as we're lead to believe (of course, you have to then take what Burke said at face-value - although seeing the return for Vanek, Moulson, Hemsky et al., it's at least fathomable), then "just taking whatever you can get" seems to signal an organizational weakness to the league. It's sets a precedent that every time you have a player that needs to be moved for whatever reason, you're willing to take a low ball offer. As such, that now becomes the starting point. If you're known as an organization that remains realistic without being strong-armed, then it has to put you in a better situation in the long-term.

I understand this point is debatable. I just found it very interesting - it looks at the long-term ramifications that scrambling to take "whatever" can have. So, no, I'm not saying this makes the non-Cammy deal better or worse in any way. At the same time though, it is definitely a logical position to hold - it signals to me (at least), that this group is thinking about the future, the state\standing of the organization, and the players involved, which is a good sign (although some might argue overly optimistic).

Avatar
#38 Wienerboo
March 05 2014, 07:03PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
3
props

Are we able to trade Cammi to another team at the draft for his signing rights?

Avatar
#39 ChinookArch
March 05 2014, 07:44PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
11
props

The Heat 1 Sens 0. Nice work!

Avatar
#40 piscera.infada
March 05 2014, 07:49PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
5
props

@maimster

"There will be plenty of other high-character, good-value vets to acquire in the offseason (there always are) and there's nothing special about the ones already here."

This is where a lot of people lose me. Sure, there are veterans out there in FA, but there is something to be said for continuity. It's not just "vets" you need. It's vets that know the system, know the staff, are respected enough within the organization to command respect (thereby leadership), and foremost the organization is familiar with - you don't want to bring in "some guy" or a "good guy" who the coaches, management, et al. "think" wont take away from the dressing room. I mean, picking up vets just because they're "vets" is basically what the Oilers have been scrambling to do for the last couple seasons. The problem is, the actual "organizational vets" are the kids!

Avatar
#41 maimster
March 05 2014, 08:14PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
4
props

@piscera.infada

That's a fair point, but I tend to think the opposite is true - we overemphasize the value of the guys already in the organization because we think they command a bunch of respect based upon their time in the dressing room. There are more than enough guys that have some years in the organization (Gio, Stajan, Glencross, Wideman, Hudler, Backlund) and a coach that probably isn't going anywhere for a bit that you can maximize the value of guys who may not be back anyway. I think most guys that have some number of years and are not the big names getting big contracts in free agency - the guys you sign for one or two years at 2-3M per - will not "take away from the dressing room", any more than a guy like Cammi, who always seems to have one foot out the door, is. I think there's a danger in overvaluing your own guys.

And comparing this to the Oilers is a red herring - the problems with their "re-build" are not that they're picking up the wrong vets per se, it's that they have always stopped half way through the job.

Avatar
#42 beloch
March 05 2014, 08:57PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
17
props

Byron has been playing his heart out all night. He is a sneaky player. He really has a habit of popping up in dirty places from out of nowhere. It's good to see him rewarded!

P.S. Please do not feed the trolls. Don't even trash them. Nothing will drive them away faster than no responses and two zeros next to their name (or a 0 and a 1 if they're lame enough to prop themselves).

Avatar
#43 Burnward
March 05 2014, 09:12PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
7
props

The future ain't so bad...fahk all y'all haters.

Avatar
#44 RKD
March 05 2014, 09:58PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
13
props

Ales Hemsky, new uniform, same results: ineffective against the Flames. Some things never change. Take that Ottawa.

Avatar
#45 mk
March 05 2014, 10:43PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
0
props
beloch wrote:

Is "Ortio" Finnish for "vacuum cleaner"? Ortio sucked everything into his glove and barely gave up any rebounds at all. After watching Berra for so long it's an adjustment to see the opposing team milling about in the slot after the whistle wondering where their juicy rebounds have gone! Excellent start for Ortio.

The AHL callups were all brilliant too. Corban Knight was great in the face-off circle and even made McGrattan look okay on that powerplay. I'm not sure if even Chuck Norris could pull that off! Granlund earned his first goal, Reinhart was visible all night, and Byron is a turbo-charged puck-weasel!

Here's hoping none of the injuries are bad ones.

RE: Corban Knight

Because he's the player Calgary deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

Avatar
#46 RKD
March 05 2014, 10:44PM
Trash it!
1
trashes
Props
4
props
Jakester wrote:

I think he actually might be a decent fit in Ottawa. Don't judge based on one game.. Small sample size.

I think the same, I'm just ribbing Hemsky. It's what we do.

Avatar
#48 beloch
March 05 2014, 04:02PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
21
props

@Lordmork

Burke recently made a point in one his presser's that call-ups from Abby aren't necessarily the best available player for a given position but, instead, players who fill a role that matches a hole on the NHL club. I don't really buy this myself, but he might have said this so that Baertschi doesn't feel bad about not being called up for goon-squad duty.

When he was last sent down, a long uninterrupted stretch in Abby was probably considered to be best for Baertschi's development. His ego gets crushed every time he's sent down and, although he's playing better in Abby than he was, he hasn't really started dominating the way he probably should be. Bringing him up now and giving him 5 minutes a game on the fourth line is just going to stall his development again. It would take significant TOI in a sheltered scoring role to beat playing first-line minutes in Abby for his development.

Baertschi is where he needs to be. The Heat are going to be relying on him heavily with so many of their offensive players called up. If he can respond to that need, going on a tear in the AHL would be great for his development. He has 2 goals and 3 assists in his last 3 games, so things are looking up for him.

Avatar
#49 Primo
March 05 2014, 04:49PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
7
props

Today Burke added an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder for his scouts to work with in the 2014 draft. The 2015 draft is just as critical and next year at this time I'm confident he will add more pieces. If Burke can sign Cammy that will add an established veteran presence that's required for his upcoming young players. If not let's move on.

When Burke says he hopes to be a Buyer next year at this time that is simply to appease the season ticket holders and sponsors. Reality is that this team needs 2-3 years of rebuild which means drafting top level talent during the next 3 drafts. Let's have patience and enjoy the top 5 young prospects from Abby that will be playing tonight and potentially Johhny G and Bill Arnold shortly. I'm actually excited about the future.

Avatar
#50 negrilcowboy
March 05 2014, 04:50PM
Trash it!
0
trashes
Props
20
props

Flamesnation, breathe a sigh of relief that you dont have gillis as the gm. fitting his last move was trading raphael because with his leadership the canucks took it up DIAS.

Comments are closed for this article.