A Look Inside One-Goal Games

Ryan Pike
April 18 2014 10:04AM

One of the biggest rallying cries for how the Flames have improved over the season, at least in terms of their work ethic, has been the sheer amount of one-goal games they've taken part in this past season. In fact, the Flames played in 49 games decided by a goal, tying the NHL record.

But how did all these one-goal games come about? And what does the record really mean?

ONE-GOAL WINS

The Flames won 25 one-goal games. Splitting them up into third period scenarios, you get this:

  • Twice, the Flames led by two after 40 and prevented a full comeback (but let them get close).
  • Twice, the Flames led by one after 40 and shut down opponents in the third.
  • Twice, the Flames led by one after 40 and scored enough to maintain the lead.
  • Seven times, the Flames led by one after 40, blew the lead, but won in OT/shootout
  • Four times, the Flames were tied after 40 and won the game outright in the third.
  • Four times, the  Flames were tied after 40 and won the game in OT/shootout.
  • Most impressively, four times the Flames trailed by two after 40, but won the game (granted, three times that was in a shootout).

    ONE-GOAL LOSSES

    • Three times, the Flames led by one after 40 and blew the lead.
    • Two more times, they blew the lead but lost in OT/shootout and at least got a point.
    • Six times, the Flames entered the third tied and lost the game.
    • Three more times, they lost in OT/shootout after being tied through 40 minutes.
    • Three times, the Flames entered the third down by one and couldn't close the gap.
    • One other time, they did close the gap but lost in the shootout.
    • Four times, the Flames trailed by two and made it a one-goal game.
    • One other time, they trailed by two, forced OT but lost.
    • Once, they trailed by three goals after 40 and nearly came back to tie it.

    SO?

    A few take-aways.

    • The term "blew the lead" appears too much here (12 times). One-goal leads were rarely safe for this group, which obviously needs to change. Multi-goal leads were rarer, but much safer.
    • The team had mixed results when tied heading to the third: eight wins, nine losses (three in OT). Good teams win in the third.
    • But hey, the team's "never say die" attitude is evident here: 10 comebacks from two-goal deficits, with half of them resulting in the team getting points (and the other five being a 27th-place team making it close).

    In summation, the "49 one-goal games" record both praises and condemns the Calgary Flames. They had a lot of comebacks, but they also weren't fantastic with third-period leads.

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    Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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    #1 T&A4Flames
    April 18 2014, 10:37AM
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    Heard a rumor that Kerr and Simmer we're let go. Anyone hear anything on this?

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    #2 Ed_Ward42
    April 18 2014, 11:25AM
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    @T&A4Flames

    Gregor reported that they are both done. SN is apparently looking for a new duo. I've heard a lot of different names...some good, some not so good. Whoever does colour can't be worse than simmer tho.

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    #3 ChinookArch
    April 18 2014, 11:39AM
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    Too bad for Kerr. Selfishly, I liked him on the radio, so if it is true, maybe he goes back there.

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    #4 ChinookArch
    April 18 2014, 11:54AM
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    One-goal games were meaningful; the season was entertaining overall. This team was easy to get behind regardless of skill-level. They worked hard on probably 75 of 82 games and in my view that work paid off in good results, all things considered.

    My personal goals for the team were (1.) No blow outs losses and (2.) Win the BoA. They get an A from me.

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    #5 BurningSensation
    April 18 2014, 12:07PM
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    ChinookArch wrote:

    Too bad for Kerr. Selfishly, I liked him on the radio, so if it is true, maybe he goes back there.

    I had really mixed feelings about Kerr. I liked him a ton on the radio, but found his work on TV to be borderline terrible.

    I never thought Simmer brought much to the mix outside of 'I used to play hockey at a high level'.

    I never feel good about cheering for people to lose their jobs though, so I hope both bounce back somewhere else and succeed.

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    #6 ChinookArch
    April 18 2014, 12:08PM
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    BurningSensation wrote:

    I had really mixed feelings about Kerr. I liked him a ton on the radio, but found his work on TV to be borderline terrible.

    I never thought Simmer brought much to the mix outside of 'I used to play hockey at a high level'.

    I never feel good about cheering for people to lose their jobs though, so I hope both bounce back somewhere else and succeed.

    Yup, the guy must be crushed.

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    #7 Stubblejumper
    April 18 2014, 12:21PM
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    Am disappointed for Kerr. He lives, eats, breathes the Flames and enjoyed his telecasts much more than the last 5 years.

    I thought he brought a lot of insight, knowledge and humour. In particular I chuckled and appreciated his honest boy-ish enthusiasm and open excitement in seeing the team do well.

    Hands-down the SN Flames play-by-play telecast team was soooo much better than the Oilers group who I found nauseating - they made me want to slit my wrists (of course the Oiler performance did too)!

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    #8 beloch
    April 18 2014, 12:24PM
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    Not a huge surprise. SN hockey is about to get very crowded.

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    #9 Stubblejumper
    April 18 2014, 12:29PM
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    re One goal games.. the Flames were great this year - worked hard, kept the games close, and thankfully(!).. did not play a stifling boring defensive system like Sutter!

    As stated by Duthie to the TSN panel the Flames used to be terrible to watch but this year were one of the most enjoyable and exciting teams to watch! And Butler said it was one of the most fun years he's had (like it should be)!

    What a turnaround!! Full marks to Hartley, the coaches & trainers, and the players.

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    #10 Walter White
    April 18 2014, 12:56PM
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    Ok, we were the 4th worst team in the NHL this year.........not good.

    We looked at all the one goal games to make us feel better.......now let's look at SOME of the teams we WERE able to beat this year:

    -the Kings 3 times!

    -the Sharks twice

    -Chicago twice

    -Anaheim

    -the Blues

    -Colorado

    -the Oilers a whole lot of times

    -a bunch of loser points to the Canucks.

    Something to build on......

    WW

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    #11 beloch
    April 18 2014, 01:14PM
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    The Flames league rankings this year:

    Goals for: 23rd
    Goals against: 24th
    Goal differential: 26th

    The fact that the Flames tied the league record for close games when they're being outscored so badly says one thing to me: They took very few nights off. They showed a fantastic work ethic this season. The only bad news is that they really needed to work hard every night!

    That goal differential does indeed look pretty bad, but consider this: The flames differential is -0.44 gpg. Improving that to 0 would give the team a shot at making the playoffs. That's a net change of 36 goals per season either scored or prevented. One really good player could make that kind of difference.

    The Flames have several players who are likely to take steps forward next season. During his debut, Gaudreau looked like a legitimate NHL'er to the eye, to advanced stats, and on the scoreboard. Small sample size. Inadequate predictive power. Yada yada yada. I say that kid is going to be good. Is all this going to close that 36 goal differential though?

    The Flames are closer to the playoffs than many people think, but this summer is going to be a pretty important one. The key things Burke needs to do, in my eyes, are to avoid letting Cammalleri walk, shore up the second pairing, resign competent possession players like Galiardi and Byron, and generally improve the team's possession talent wherever possible.

    P.S. McGrattan for assistant coach or something like that? So help me, I like the guy even if his stat-line is fugly.

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    #12 KetchupKid
    April 18 2014, 01:36PM
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    McGrattan for GM! You heard it here first.

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    #13 Alt
    April 18 2014, 01:52PM
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    SN sucks. Too bad it wasn't TSN that received the contract. They are leagues ahead of SN in regards to a polished pro approach.

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    #14 Rockmorton65
    April 18 2014, 02:22PM
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    Their problems holding third period leads doesn't concern me much. As they increase the talent on this team, combined with experience, they will get better at holding leads. Plus, when they add more firepower, it will be easier to add to a lead, not just defend it.

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    Rockmorton65 wrote:

    Their problems holding third period leads doesn't concern me much. As they increase the talent on this team, combined with experience, they will get better at holding leads. Plus, when they add more firepower, it will be easier to add to a lead, not just defend it.

    I have to agree with you this team will be better offensively next year and in the years to come. Granlund, Johnny, Poirier,and Sven all have the potential to bring more offensive punch and finish to this team. The young guys who played this year will be better defensively than they were this year and I expect Ramo to be more consistent next year.

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    #16 Jeff In Lethbridge
    April 18 2014, 03:07PM
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    Alt wrote:

    SN sucks. Too bad it wasn't TSN that received the contract. They are leagues ahead of SN in regards to a polished pro approach.

    except for the fact that TSN liked to start the game right aftet an eastern game and often ended up overlapping and scewing up the beginning of the game.

    i agree with many here... was always a Rob Kerr fan when on the 960, but not as much on tv. I hope he aind up back at the fan and runs the morning show.

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    KetchupKid wrote:

    McGrattan for GM! You heard it here first.

    with McGrattons sports psychology degree and management degree from Berkley, he should be qualified.

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    #18 BobbyO
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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    re One goal games.. the Flames were great this year - worked hard, kept the games close, and thankfully(!).. did not play a stifling boring defensive system like Sutter!

    As stated by Duthie to the TSN panel the Flames used to be terrible to watch but this year were one of the most enjoyable and exciting teams to watch! And Butler said it was one of the most fun years he's had (like it should be)!

    What a turnaround!! Full marks to Hartley, the coaches & trainers, and the players.

    "Butler said it was one of the most fun years"...I agree with Burke who says a players contract does not have the term fun in it.

    "What a turnaround"..they finished 2 spots on the standings lower than last year. A pathetic 27! hmmmmmmm

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    @beloch

    Good summary.

    I would add drafting well this year is critical to maintaining continuity in the rebuild.

    The 1st pick is pretty well a done deal (take the last available of the consensus top 4). The key will be to do well with our 4 picks in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, with specific focus to filling the right side of the team (RW & RD) which is amazingly weak.

    I took a look at the top right-handers for the second round, both RW and C (who could be converted to the right side) and D-men.

    Likely the formatting didn't come through but Button's list shows right-handers are in extremely short supply. Only 6 RW-C and 3 RD are available.

    For my money I like Spencer Watson (who like Bennett is from Kingston) and Roland McKeown (also Kingston) and Ryan Mantha (with pedigree?)

    Will have to reduced expectations to address the right side holes with this draft. As Burke indicated he will have to do some trades to fill specific roster positions.

    Anyone have can't-miss 2nd or 3rd rounders they'd like to see picked by Burke & company?

    RK Player Pos. S Ht/Wt GP Pts C – RW SECOND ROUND 34 Kevin Fiala C R 5'10/180 26 24 36 Jakub Vrana RW L 5'11/185 19 21 40 Eric Cornel C R 6'1/186 64 59 41 Jake Virtanen RW R 6'0/213 68 67 42 Spencer Watson RW R 6'0/170 61 65 54 Oskar Lindblom RW L 6'1/191 26 20 57 Vladimir Tkachev LW R 5'9/156 18 27 DEFENCE SECOND ROUND 35 Roland McKeown D R 6'1/186 61 43 48 Julius Bergman D R 6'1/187 27 20 55 Ryan Mantha D R 6'4/225 48 11

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    #20 TheoForever
    April 18 2014, 03:53PM
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    @BobbyO

    Cannot go by standings, it is the start of rebuild. It was a competitive, hard working team. Our prospects are improving at all levels. Style of play is exiting, way better than under Sutter. Pathetic would be Oil or Van season.

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    #21 Stubblejumper
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    @BobbyO

    Burke's a smart guy who is a master of providing tough macho quotes which appeal to a certain segment of hockey fan.

    While you may appreciate Burke's macho statement appeals to your manly sensibilities, there are volumes of studies showing much higher performance & productivity for happy, engaged, supported workers i.e. including athletes.

    Expectations were properly set for a much worse year than what we had. Our prospects, the coaching, and the team culture are much further ahead of plan. Constructive criticism is always welcomed..complete negativism without contructive comment can be deposited on OilerNation..you can find the button above.

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    #22 BobbyO
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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    Burke's a smart guy who is a master of providing tough macho quotes which appeal to a certain segment of hockey fan.

    While you may appreciate Burke's macho statement appeals to your manly sensibilities, there are volumes of studies showing much higher performance & productivity for happy, engaged, supported workers i.e. including athletes.

    Expectations were properly set for a much worse year than what we had. Our prospects, the coaching, and the team culture are much further ahead of plan. Constructive criticism is always welcomed..complete negativism without contructive comment can be deposited on OilerNation..you can find the button above.

    Burke is a smart guy because he has an established record for rebuilding teams and making astute trades, Not as you suggest by providing macho quotes. He has been brought in for a reason most likely to get this team back into the playoffs! sooner rather than later!

    As a lifelong Flames fan my expectations as well as Burkes are much higher than yours obviously. This is a bottom 5 team that although has established an identity and drafted some nice young talent the veteran core group is in need of significant improvement. I will always continue to keep the bar raised very high!

    As an FN fan I am entitled to express my opinions. If you are not able to accept fans disagreeing with some of your ridiculous comments than I suggest you turn your computer off and go read a fantasy book!

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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    Good summary.

    I would add drafting well this year is critical to maintaining continuity in the rebuild.

    The 1st pick is pretty well a done deal (take the last available of the consensus top 4). The key will be to do well with our 4 picks in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, with specific focus to filling the right side of the team (RW & RD) which is amazingly weak.

    I took a look at the top right-handers for the second round, both RW and C (who could be converted to the right side) and D-men.

    Likely the formatting didn't come through but Button's list shows right-handers are in extremely short supply. Only 6 RW-C and 3 RD are available.

    For my money I like Spencer Watson (who like Bennett is from Kingston) and Roland McKeown (also Kingston) and Ryan Mantha (with pedigree?)

    Will have to reduced expectations to address the right side holes with this draft. As Burke indicated he will have to do some trades to fill specific roster positions.

    Anyone have can't-miss 2nd or 3rd rounders they'd like to see picked by Burke & company?

    RK Player Pos. S Ht/Wt GP Pts C – RW SECOND ROUND 34 Kevin Fiala C R 5'10/180 26 24 36 Jakub Vrana RW L 5'11/185 19 21 40 Eric Cornel C R 6'1/186 64 59 41 Jake Virtanen RW R 6'0/213 68 67 42 Spencer Watson RW R 6'0/170 61 65 54 Oskar Lindblom RW L 6'1/191 26 20 57 Vladimir Tkachev LW R 5'9/156 18 27 DEFENCE SECOND ROUND 35 Roland McKeown D R 6'1/186 61 43 48 Julius Bergman D R 6'1/187 27 20 55 Ryan Mantha D R 6'4/225 48 11

    If they slide, definitely McKeown with the 34th pick. Or David Pastrnak- RW 6'0. 176lbs. COL 2nd I'm liking Jack Glover RD 6'3 192lbs., 64th Ben Thomas- RD 6'2 194lbs, Travis Sanheim- 6'3 190 lbs

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    @BobbyO

    The '12/'13 edition of the Flames was higher paid and arguably had more talent, but they phoned in a lot of real stinkers. That season was also brought to a depressing end by the exit of two stars of the team. This season, although the team has finished lower in the standings, the stinkers have been rarer, the games have been less predictable, and stars have been made, all on a much lower budget. There is a definite sense that brighter days are coming now, whereas last season things looked pretty bleak. If you don't feel this you probably haven't been watching enough games!

    As for Burke... Be careful what you wish for! A lot of people seem to think Burke will make minimal changes to this team and simply try to nurture the rebuild, primarily through supporting player development. Neither the owners or Burke are likely that patient. We're probably going to see some big moves this summer and we probably won't like some of them very much.

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    @beloch

    I fully agree with your comments. In fact I anticipate that Burke blows up the veteran core. That is his style. He will make a huge impact and many of the moves will be unpopular with the die hards.

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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    Good summary.

    I would add drafting well this year is critical to maintaining continuity in the rebuild.

    The 1st pick is pretty well a done deal (take the last available of the consensus top 4). The key will be to do well with our 4 picks in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, with specific focus to filling the right side of the team (RW & RD) which is amazingly weak.

    I took a look at the top right-handers for the second round, both RW and C (who could be converted to the right side) and D-men.

    Likely the formatting didn't come through but Button's list shows right-handers are in extremely short supply. Only 6 RW-C and 3 RD are available.

    For my money I like Spencer Watson (who like Bennett is from Kingston) and Roland McKeown (also Kingston) and Ryan Mantha (with pedigree?)

    Will have to reduced expectations to address the right side holes with this draft. As Burke indicated he will have to do some trades to fill specific roster positions.

    Anyone have can't-miss 2nd or 3rd rounders they'd like to see picked by Burke & company?

    RK Player Pos. S Ht/Wt GP Pts C – RW SECOND ROUND 34 Kevin Fiala C R 5'10/180 26 24 36 Jakub Vrana RW L 5'11/185 19 21 40 Eric Cornel C R 6'1/186 64 59 41 Jake Virtanen RW R 6'0/213 68 67 42 Spencer Watson RW R 6'0/170 61 65 54 Oskar Lindblom RW L 6'1/191 26 20 57 Vladimir Tkachev LW R 5'9/156 18 27 DEFENCE SECOND ROUND 35 Roland McKeown D R 6'1/186 61 43 48 Julius Bergman D R 6'1/187 27 20 55 Ryan Mantha D R 6'4/225 48 11

    Unless Burke can trade up some of these names are unlikely to be there when we pick 34th, 50(?),64th and 80(?), If somehow Mckeown is still around at 34 then he has to be taken. He's ranked 27th(CS) and 20th(ISS). Somehow I missed Mantha's name on the central scouting list,how high is he ranked(you have to love his size potential 6'4/5" 220 D). Watson is ranked 59 by central scouting and could be around in the third. Fiala is ranked 28 by iss and could also be around for 34.

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    #27 coachedpotatoe
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    BobbyO wrote:

    I fully agree with your comments. In fact I anticipate that Burke blows up the veteran core. That is his style. He will make a huge impact and many of the moves will be unpopular with the die hards.

    Whom do you mean by core? Stajan: who he just signed to a limited NMC,

    Glenx: who has NMC.

    Hudler: who was the leading scorer.

    DJones: who many here want moved anyways.(also Burke just recently said he thaought DJ was turning his game around prior to the injury)

    McG: Burkes kind of player.

    Backs: Had the best year of his career

    Gio: The captain coming off a career year.

    Wides: again many here on this sight would not mind seeing him moved anyways.

    That I think is the veteran core unless you want to count Smid,and TJB. In order to blow this up he will need to get fair return and have trading partners,

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    Your guess is as good as mine. With Byron and potentially Johnnie in the lineup soon I really don't see a future here for Hudler. He is a great veteran and mentor but he is small. I see a larger body veteran replacing him.

    Glenx Im afraid will be the unpopular trade this summer despite the contract clause. There are ways of making a trade happen as we all know. Glenny is first class but he is often injured and very inconsistent. I think you will agree he is a very streaky player that does not bode well with Burke's model!

    DJones has an unreasonable contract given his lack of production but will be difficult to move unless you receive another overpaid veteran in return who will hopefully give us more production. We do have the cap space.

    I can keep guessing like anyone else but I do recall Burke saying that Gio and Monny were the only untouchables! Let's go from there.

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    #29 Stubblejumper
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    coachedpotatoe wrote:

    Unless Burke can trade up some of these names are unlikely to be there when we pick 34th, 50(?),64th and 80(?), If somehow Mckeown is still around at 34 then he has to be taken. He's ranked 27th(CS) and 20th(ISS). Somehow I missed Mantha's name on the central scouting list,how high is he ranked(you have to love his size potential 6'4/5" 220 D). Watson is ranked 59 by central scouting and could be around in the third. Fiala is ranked 28 by iss and could also be around for 34.

    Yeah I used Button's Top 60 list from March 9th as it showed right-handed shooters. However some of the rankings are outdated.

    My premise for the article was to puzzle through the vacuum we call our right side in relation to BPA by position.

    Rankings and availability aside it would be great to get one quality RW and RD in this draft, even if it means a trade involving switching picks or a roster player.

    We're also reaching the saturation point where our ability to absorb more prospects is lessening as our pool bets better. That said, I would place bets currently at 30% for Burke to make a major trade by July 1st involving current roster players and picks in order to selectively add a key quality player or two.

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    #30 Stubblejumper
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    For Flames fans interested, there's a LOT of fear over on Oilersnation about what Calgary is going to get, what it's going to look like if the Flames players does better, the impact on the BoA etc.

    75% of the talk surrounds wanting to take Bennett over Draisaitl just so Calgary can't get him, but fussing over the fact Bennett is similar to the rest of their core while Draisaitl is thick and can work the puck down low.

    Have fun trolling..:)

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    #31 TheoForever
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    They are right Bennett is Gilmour kind of a guy. He is a better prospect than the german kid. Unfortunately Oil need the bigger player. I hope we get Bennett but there is a good chance Sabres will take him and then oil would take Reinhart.

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    #32 prendrefeu
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    @Stubblejumper

    "Have fun trolling..:)"

    Honestly even thinking about them is a waste of time. To go over to their blog and take any effort beyond the processing of three atoms of oxygen through my lungs just to make that fallacy of a franchise even more psychologically unstable is another level of time wasting entirely.

    They can dig their own hole. They don't need our help.

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    #33 Primo
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    @TheoForever

    As much as I would like it to be Bennett at #4 I believe you may be correct. I have always thought the Flames will have a decision to make between Draisitl and Dal Colle.

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    #34 beloch
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    @coachedpotatoe

    Hudler really had a remarkable year and, since he's on a reasonable contract, his trade-value is excellent. When that contract was inked many thought it was a bad one. To trade him now would, in all likelihood, be selling high. He's definitely a candidate for what Burke calls a "hockey trade". By giving up a very useful player the Flames can get a very useful player in return, but one who fits a different role. The Flames now have obscene depth at LW so it makes sense for Burke to dangle Hudler in the market and see what bites. Russel is another player worth dangling. He's not good enough to be a second-pairing defender, but a team looking for an offensively gifted third-pairing defender and powerplay specialist might offer something nice for him.

    The Flames have several players who had very disappointing seasons and, if they were traded now, would bring back disappointing returns. David Jones is a RW'er so he's unlikely to be traded this summer. Wideman will help round out the second pair if he rebounds, so he definitely has a role to play. Glencross, since he plays LW, is probably the most likely to be traded, but I doubt he'll be going anywhere until closer to next season's trade deadline. His NMC does mean he'll probably have to go to a cup contender. He'll be 32 and likely willing to go cup chasing. Smid is another player who I think will rebound and be worth more next season than he is now, although that isn't really saying much.

    Backlund and Giordano are not likely going anywhere unless the return is obscene. McG is probably not going anywhere because he's just not worth that much in trade. He's cheap, good for the locker-room, and probably close to retirement. Hopefully he'll spend a little more time in the press box next season. As I said before, I wouldn't mind seeing him stick with the Flames in a non-player role either.

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    For Flames fans interested, there's a LOT of fear over on Oilersnation about what Calgary is going to get, what it's going to look like if the Flames players does better, the impact on the BoA etc.

    75% of the talk surrounds wanting to take Bennett over Draisaitl just so Calgary can't get him, but fussing over the fact Bennett is similar to the rest of their core while Draisaitl is thick and can work the puck down low.

    Have fun trolling..:)

    I suspect the Oilers won't be using that pick. The club is under intense pressure to improve in the short-term. Packaging their first off with other assets might bring a player back who can help them next season.

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    #36 TheoForever
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    As much as I would like it to be Bennett at #4 I believe you may be correct. I have always thought the Flames will have a decision to make between Draisitl and Dal Colle.

    I have the same feeling and unfortunately one of those 2 could be a bust.

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    Exactly!! So then it will have to be Dal Colle in my view.

    Wonder if anyone can substantiate the apparent strong desire of the Oilers to draft Draisitl??

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    I have the same feeling and unfortunately one of those 2 could be a bust.

    While Dal Colle looks like a nice player he's a half-step down per the scouts, and he's LW where we have a log-jam.

    I can't think that Burke would take the risk to jump out of sequence for a winger instead of taking big Draisaitl and building strength down the middle which is the hardest along with top 2 Defenders..

    If you look at the video you'll see Draisaitl is a big thick body who can cycle it down low, hold off defenders while one-handing the puck, turn on a dime, is a fantastic assist machine with great vision and nifty touch passes..AND who has an NHL caliber wrist shot, is fast and can score off the rush.

    Size, skating and skill..Draisaitl has it all.

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    @Primo

    I would be over the moon if it is Bennet at 4. Draisaitl's birthdate scares me, so id lean towards Dal Colle of the two. Though seeing what Nylander did in the second half of the year I would not be opposed to him.

    Here's hoping the Oilers really have fallen in love with the German Gretzsky

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    In addition Dal Colle was simply outstanding at the young stars tourney in Calgary. I like his size and will easily put on another 10 lbs before turning pro. He has also played Centre and has been very effective.

    Draisaitl appears to be the riskier pick but no doubt is talented. I like the Flames scouting staff and with Burke's input they will make the right decision based on detailed fact and analysis not available to the ordinary fan.

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    Can you provide more content around your comment regarding Draisaitl skating ability?

    From my limited view that appears to be a concerning area for me.

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    My prediction is glencross gets traded this summer.

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    Your guess is as good as mine. With Byron and potentially Johnnie in the lineup soon I really don't see a future here for Hudler. He is a great veteran and mentor but he is small. I see a larger body veteran replacing him.

    Glenx Im afraid will be the unpopular trade this summer despite the contract clause. There are ways of making a trade happen as we all know. Glenny is first class but he is often injured and very inconsistent. I think you will agree he is a very streaky player that does not bode well with Burke's model!

    DJones has an unreasonable contract given his lack of production but will be difficult to move unless you receive another overpaid veteran in return who will hopefully give us more production. We do have the cap space.

    I can keep guessing like anyone else but I do recall Burke saying that Gio and Monny were the only untouchables! Let's go from there.

    I've been trying to figure out what it would take to get Gudbranson out of FLA. With them poised to likely take Ekblad and having other young D that need ice time, and with Gudbranson looking more and more like a bust he may be a good reclamation project at 22 yrs old. A big right shot that has some offence. We will need to start moving out LW'rs since we have so many. Would Byron be enough to get this done?

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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    For Flames fans interested, there's a LOT of fear over on Oilersnation about what Calgary is going to get, what it's going to look like if the Flames players does better, the impact on the BoA etc.

    75% of the talk surrounds wanting to take Bennett over Draisaitl just so Calgary can't get him, but fussing over the fact Bennett is similar to the rest of their core while Draisaitl is thick and can work the puck down low.

    Have fun trolling..:)

    Yea I was over reading up earlier. I like that they are more concerned about what not to leave us than what actually makes them better.

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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    While Dal Colle looks like a nice player he's a half-step down per the scouts, and he's LW where we have a log-jam.

    I can't think that Burke would take the risk to jump out of sequence for a winger instead of taking big Draisaitl and building strength down the middle which is the hardest along with top 2 Defenders..

    If you look at the video you'll see Draisaitl is a big thick body who can cycle it down low, hold off defenders while one-handing the puck, turn on a dime, is a fantastic assist machine with great vision and nifty touch passes..AND who has an NHL caliber wrist shot, is fast and can score off the rush.

    Size, skating and skill..Draisaitl has it all.

    Fyi..ISS top 30 has Dal Colle rated #3 and Draisaitl rated #6. Just one of many rating agencies I know.

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    Hudler really had a remarkable year and, since he's on a reasonable contract, his trade-value is excellent. When that contract was inked many thought it was a bad one. To trade him now would, in all likelihood, be selling high. He's definitely a candidate for what Burke calls a "hockey trade". By giving up a very useful player the Flames can get a very useful player in return, but one who fits a different role. The Flames now have obscene depth at LW so it makes sense for Burke to dangle Hudler in the market and see what bites. Russel is another player worth dangling. He's not good enough to be a second-pairing defender, but a team looking for an offensively gifted third-pairing defender and powerplay specialist might offer something nice for him.

    The Flames have several players who had very disappointing seasons and, if they were traded now, would bring back disappointing returns. David Jones is a RW'er so he's unlikely to be traded this summer. Wideman will help round out the second pair if he rebounds, so he definitely has a role to play. Glencross, since he plays LW, is probably the most likely to be traded, but I doubt he'll be going anywhere until closer to next season's trade deadline. His NMC does mean he'll probably have to go to a cup contender. He'll be 32 and likely willing to go cup chasing. Smid is another player who I think will rebound and be worth more next season than he is now, although that isn't really saying much.

    Backlund and Giordano are not likely going anywhere unless the return is obscene. McG is probably not going anywhere because he's just not worth that much in trade. He's cheap, good for the locker-room, and probably close to retirement. Hopefully he'll spend a little more time in the press box next season. As I said before, I wouldn't mind seeing him stick with the Flames in a non-player role either.

    Much of my comment was who makes up the core of the team. As much as I like Hudler and see him as great mentor if Burke can get a good to great return for him I would not be upset.

    Russell we just resigned and I am not sure he is a core member as BoobyO said in his post. I'm not sure the return for him will be great and he may be more valuable staying.

    Glencross is indeed an interesting case, he has value both in trade and as leader; his injury problems this year make him a hard case to deal with. His limited NMC is also a concern and will we get a good return.

    I see Burke in talks on both GlenX and Hudler, I'm not sure he will move both. I do expect him to also look closely at the UFA's and based on his Kesler move with the Leafs he is not afraid of RFA's but I suspect a little more cautious.

    It will be an interesting off season. My one concern is without a GM who is he bouncing ideas off of.

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    beloch wrote:

    I suspect the Oilers won't be using that pick. The club is under intense pressure to improve in the short-term. Packaging their first off with other assets might bring a player back who can help them next season.

    Yeah MacT is in tough and the peasants are wanting to storm the Bastille so lots of talk of trading the pick.

    If that is the case I hope Burke is at least inquiring as to the asking price, and also checking in with FLA/BUF/NYI/WPG etc too. A high price would need to be paid, like it was for the Sedins, but it set that team up for a year.

    Would be a dream to get 2 of the top 4 or 5 picks this year.

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    CP....I think Burke is still surrounded by credible people to bounce ideas even without a GM....Todd Button and scouting staff, Kisio, Conroy, Hartley, etc. Most importantly he has an established NHL network and is very influential given his long term presence in the league as a GM and NHL office.

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    True...no consensus this year. At the very least it makes it fun to debate for a couple months or so.

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    Stubblejumper wrote:

    Yeah MacT is in tough and the peasants are wanting to storm the Bastille so lots of talk of trading the pick.

    If that is the case I hope Burke is at least inquiring as to the asking price, and also checking in with FLA/BUF/NYI/WPG etc too. A high price would need to be paid, like it was for the Sedins, but it set that team up for a year.

    Would be a dream to get 2 of the top 4 or 5 picks this year.

    typo...should read "set that team up for 10 years"

    Wish one could edit...:(

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