Flames Sign Deryk Engelland

Kent Wilson
July 01 2014 01:30PM

After a couple of solid signings in Raymond and Hiller, the Flames add their first eyebrow raiser in Dereyk Engelland for 3 years at $2.9M per year. 

Engelland plays both defense and forward, though he mostly acts as a d-man. He's big, he's mean, can drop the gloves...and he's not very good at much else. He averaged a team low 13 minutes of ice for the Pittsburgh Penguins last year, faced lower tier opposition and had some of the worst underlying possession numbers amongst Pens defensemen. Clearly, like Bollig, this is another step in the new regime's quest to "get bigger and protect the kids".

Engelland is a 32 year old tough guy and third pairing defender. At best, he's a way to get the Flames over the cap floor finish line for the next few seasons and a skating harm deterrence. At worst, he's their next Shane O'Brien.

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#301 piscera.infada
July 02 2014, 07:47PM
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@Walter White

Just out of curiosity, who would Walter White have picked there?

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#302 suba steve
July 02 2014, 07:48PM
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Walter White wrote:

He went at #64............that's a few spots away from a second round pick.

I expect a quality pick there, not a flyer on a kid that we could take in the 5th.......or someone like him.

WW

If we hadn't taken Gaudreau 3 years ago in the fourth round we may not have got him, but by your logic that would have been OK, cause we could have grabbed "someone like him" in the sixth round.

I'm just not entirely sure it is quite as simple as all that. It takes years to evaluate draft picks, trying to do it after a few days is useless.

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#303 44stampede
July 02 2014, 07:49PM
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DragonFlame wrote:

Sorry about the politics previously. Everyone who slammed my stupidity was 100% correct.

As for hockey:

People keep bringing up all these other defensemen because they are better than Engelland.

How much better are the Flames going to be by signing a Scott Hannan (who sucked the first time around here and still sucks) Tom Gilbert or Anton Stralman?

Engelland gets the Flames to the floor, fills out the roster and congrats to him for getting a nice retirement package.

Burke is not going to get up in front of the cameras at the end of the year and tell everyone, "We'll probably only end up with 70 points next season." He sees what is going on, but has to give delusional fans something to look forward to . . . the realistic among them know exactly how the Flames fare in the Western Conference.

The Flames have got some great kids looking for a shot. If Calgary had gone out and signed some killer FA's, what hope is there down on the farm? And would the Flames be playoff-bound?

No!

As for Engelland and his family, I can only hope they don't read all the negative comments posted here.

Lastly, Rob Kerr said it well this afternoon on the Big Show (I am paraphrasing):

"When GM's start listening to fans, it is only a matter of time before they are sitting in the stands beside them."

Who cares if he or his family read these posts? No one (that I know of) has attacked him personally. Pretty much everyone agrees though that he is vastly overpaid.

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#304 Walter White
July 02 2014, 08:01PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

Just out of curiosity, who would Walter White have picked there?

I'll be the one asking the questions here, pis..........

WW

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#305 Clyde
July 02 2014, 08:01PM
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44stampede wrote:

Who cares if he or his family read these posts? No one (that I know of) has attacked him personally. Pretty much everyone agrees though that he is vastly overpaid.

An old teammate is a relative. The player obviously went where the money was but is legitimately thrilled that it was Calgary that not only bucked up but made it clear they value the leadership qualities and work ethic he will bring. He will, I believe, be a valuable short term mentor on the rebuild.

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#306 Walter White
July 02 2014, 08:06PM
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suba steve wrote:

If we hadn't taken Gaudreau 3 years ago in the fourth round we may not have got him, but by your logic that would have been OK, cause we could have grabbed "someone like him" in the sixth round.

I'm just not entirely sure it is quite as simple as all that. It takes years to evaluate draft picks, trying to do it after a few days is useless.

Taking a flyer at #104 (Gaudreau) is different than taking a flyer at #64.

WW

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#307 piscera.infada
July 02 2014, 08:27PM
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@Walter White

So who are you taking then? Or, are you going to wait four years and pick the most successful player picked after 64?

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#308 suba steve
July 02 2014, 08:36PM
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@Walter White

Agreed, just as picking your nose and sticking your finger up your @$$ are different.

Have a good night WW, don't take any BS from that feisty wife of yours.

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#309 Walter White
July 02 2014, 09:02PM
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piscera.infada wrote:

So who are you taking then? Or, are you going to wait four years and pick the most successful player picked after 64?

I don't know......let's pick Brycen Martin. Bigger, badder! Better.........

Do I need to be head scout and GM and POHO too in addition to master critic? Ok.....

WW

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#310 MyTwoCents
July 02 2014, 09:04PM
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I miss Feaster and Weisbrod...

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#311 RexLibris
July 02 2014, 09:09PM
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Vrbata signs with the Canucks for 2 years at $5 million per.

That should've been a slam-dunk for Treliving. The three best RWs have all signed (Iginla, Hemsky, Vrbata) and the Flames have virtually no one to play that side without being converted from LW.

There has been some mention of mentoring and sheltering in this thread.

Management's inability to address that hole on the roster is also a failure to whomever is forced to play out of position or further up the depth chart.

Raymond and Hudler are listed as LW/RW by some sites, so lets give them the benefit of the doubt, and Colborne, if he is playing 4th line, is probably versatile enough in that limited role to be able to play either wing.

Scanning through some of the depth charts for the coming season and the Flames' roster stacks up among the worst in the league alongside the Sabres, Senators and Canucks.

I will be very interested to see Hartley's approach to icing this roster.

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#312 Willi P
July 02 2014, 09:11PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Vrbata signs with the Canucks for 2 years at $5 million per.

That should've been a slam-dunk for Treliving. The three best RWs have all signed (Iginla, Hemsky, Vrbata) and the Flames have virtually no one to play that side without being converted from LW.

There has been some mention of mentoring and sheltering in this thread.

Management's inability to address that hole on the roster is also a failure to whomever is forced to play out of position or further up the depth chart.

Raymond and Hudler are listed as LW/RW by some sites, so lets give them the benefit of the doubt, and Colborne, if he is playing 4th line, is probably versatile enough in that limited role to be able to play either wing.

Scanning through some of the depth charts for the coming season and the Flames' roster stacks up among the worst in the league alongside the Sabres, Senators and Canucks.

I will be very interested to see Hartley's approach to icing this roster.

They will still beat the Oil ;)

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#313 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 09:20PM
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The holes are there for the younger players to come in and show the team what they either can or cannot do.

Stop with the over-reacting.

The Canucks (as much as I hate them) are still much further ahead than the Flames.

Vrbata won't help the Flames. He will take up a roster spot that could be filled by Poirier, Gaudreau, Van Brabant, Reinhart, Baerstschi, Wolf, Arnold etc.

This is a RE-BUILD!

What point is there in signing a guy like this when we have to weed out the potential pretenders in Adirondack?

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#314 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 09:32PM
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In addition to my previous comment, I will also note that Vancouver is pretty much following the Flames' demise to the letter:

Keeping older players around (Sedin twins, Hamuis, Burrows) and trying to "fill holes" with aging veterans because the management team still thinks the Canucks have one more shot at Stanley Cup glory (and like the Flames after '04, they don't).

As much as I claim the Canucks are better than the Flames, as long as Vancouver management refuses to believe the Sedins are a wasting asset, the city will soon find out the cost of hanging on to -- and trading for -- players who are well past their prime.

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#315 Willi P
July 02 2014, 09:32PM
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Quote of the day on TSN dot CA

team rehab

2 hours ago

Vrbata could work out fine. Can't have too many 20-30 goal scorers. Benning/Linden are doing fine despite their limited experience. GMs basically just need to look @ what the oilers have done, then do the opposite.

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#316 clyde
July 02 2014, 09:35PM
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DragonFlame wrote:

The holes are there for the younger players to come in and show the team what they either can or cannot do.

Stop with the over-reacting.

The Canucks (as much as I hate them) are still much further ahead than the Flames.

Vrbata won't help the Flames. He will take up a roster spot that could be filled by Poirier, Gaudreau, Van Brabant, Reinhart, Baerstschi, Wolf, Arnold etc.

This is a RE-BUILD!

What point is there in signing a guy like this when we have to weed out the potential pretenders in Adirondack?

I agree. We have 3 vets on the right side. 2 for the top 3 lines and one for the 4rth. That leaves us a valuable top 9 spot for a young player to develop while still being sheltered. Plus, I don't think guys like Iggy and Vrbata could be offered enough to come play here at this stage of the rebuild.

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#317 MC Hockey
July 02 2014, 09:37PM
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DragonFlame wrote:

The holes are there for the younger players to come in and show the team what they either can or cannot do.

Stop with the over-reacting.

The Canucks (as much as I hate them) are still much further ahead than the Flames.

Vrbata won't help the Flames. He will take up a roster spot that could be filled by Poirier, Gaudreau, Van Brabant, Reinhart, Baerstschi, Wolf, Arnold etc.

This is a RE-BUILD!

What point is there in signing a guy like this when we have to weed out the potential pretenders in Adirondack?

Agreed. Better young UFA RWs with good size And talent available are: 1) Frolik (26, 42 pts when given a chance in Wpg), 2) For checkers possibly Skille and Weise (checkers), 3) And due to his exceptional potential, I would consider signing LW Killorn (only 24, scored at .50 PPG over 2 years). 4) Matt D'Agostini who may rebound to his 46 points in the right situation at RW BUT I really wish Downie was signed by Flames for truculence and annoying ness to opposition teams.

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#318 Walter White
July 02 2014, 09:51PM
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Both the Oilers and Canucks have gotten much better the last 2 weeks.....we have not.

Maybe this is the tanking strategy?

If so: ok.

If not: we are in big trouble!!!

WW

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#319 clyde
July 02 2014, 09:55PM
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Walter White wrote:

Both the Oilers and Canucks have gotten much better the last 2 weeks.....we have not.

Maybe this is the tanking strategy?

If so: ok.

If not: we are in big trouble!!!

WW

Patience Walter.

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#320 Danglesnipecelly
July 02 2014, 10:01PM
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Gah... Can't believe I read all 319 comments. Beats watching baseball I suppose.

Anywho..... Switching gears, anyone see an invitee list for development camp? I know a lot of guys are coming in today but haven't seen an official list yet.

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#321 Bean-counting cowboy
July 02 2014, 10:05PM
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@RexLibris

Perfect. Eichel or McDavid > RNH & Yakupov combined. Been doing some reading on Eichel. Yes please! Big centre with skill. Imagine the depth chart: Eichel, Bennett, Monahan, Backs.

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#322 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 10:06PM
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@Walter White

What could the Flames actually have done via the FA route that will make them a better team two or three years from now?

Nothing.

Calgary cannot over-commit to anyone.

You, Walter, might call it a "tanking strategy."

I call it a "realistic strategy."

Jarome is no longer 23, Rhett Warriner does the morning show on the Fan 960, Kipper is playing as a forward in Okotoks in a morning league, Conroy is part of team management, Gelinas is an assistant coach, and Sutter is in LA.

The Flames messed up, we can all agree with that, but I don't want to hear about some mediocre defenseman or over-the-hill forward that got away.

The Flames have some work to do, and I don't see one legitimate fix among all those who claim Calgary missed out on so and so.

The Flames missed out on nothing.

Weak draft, weak UFA's, and a weak team that could have spent to the cap and still wouldn't have made the playoffs.

I am sick of impatience.

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#323 Jeff In Lethbridge
July 02 2014, 10:06PM
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OK, now that we are over 300 posts, we can close this thread. I'm pretty sure everything has been said at least 50 times each. but anyway,

thanks for coming, goodnight.

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#324 Baalzamon
July 02 2014, 10:09PM
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Facts:

-I'm not sure Colborne has ever played LW before. He spent almost all of last season on RW.

-Hudler spent AT LEAST half the season on RW

-IIRC, Hudler has played more RW than LW

The RW/LW distinction is the most overrated dichotomy in ice hockey. By far. Almost all wingers can play on either side, and if they play both they're generally (not always) listed as a LW for no apparent reason.

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#325 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 10:22PM
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Oh no, just beginning!

If the Sharks can muster some 400 plus posts on a thread that they may share captain's duties next year, surely to goodness real fans can continue commenting about a cap signing from a defenseman most of us never knew existed!

http://www.fearthefin.com/2014/6/28/5852546/sharks-could-go-without-a-captain-in-2014-15

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#326 Walter White
July 02 2014, 10:22PM
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

OK, now that we are over 300 posts, we can close this thread. I'm pretty sure everything has been said at least 50 times each. but anyway,

thanks for coming, goodnight.

Is it "lights out" at the seniors home Jeff?.....

WW

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#327 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 10:28PM
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Baalzamon wrote:

Facts:

-I'm not sure Colborne has ever played LW before. He spent almost all of last season on RW.

-Hudler spent AT LEAST half the season on RW

-IIRC, Hudler has played more RW than LW

The RW/LW distinction is the most overrated dichotomy in ice hockey. By far. Almost all wingers can play on either side, and if they play both they're generally (not always) listed as a LW for no apparent reason.

Exactly!

Dustin Byfuglien is still listed as a D even though he spent the last half of the year playing forward.

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#328 playastation
July 02 2014, 10:32PM
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This seems like a really good plan to get the flames to 21st place. We are literally biding time for the kids to mature.

Iginla would not have come here unless we have him something stupid. Vrbata maybe. Who knows about Hemksy. For what? None of those guys are stars. We wouldn't compete for a cup, let alone a playoff spot.

And then what? Then people overreact about how they have no plans and how you need to build through the draft.

What is your plan? Do you want them to build through the draft? Or do you want them to be in a perpetual Feaster fix it every summer and not make the playoffs tailspin?

When we have home grown stars as most teams do, then we can go all out on free agents. Let's not be ridiculous here.

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#329 Clyde
July 02 2014, 10:39PM
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MyTwoCents wrote:

I miss Feaster and Weisbrod...

Really? Do you forget the Richards chase, ROR fiasco, tanguey signing, the not trading jokinen, the regehr trade, as well as the brutal returns for Jbo and iggy, etc, etc that quickly?

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#330 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 10:48PM
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Danglesnipecelly wrote:

Gah... Can't believe I read all 319 comments. Beats watching baseball I suppose.

Anywho..... Switching gears, anyone see an invitee list for development camp? I know a lot of guys are coming in today but haven't seen an official list yet.

The only thing that doesn't beat watching baseball is having it force-fed to us at ten in the morning on the radio on 960.

I actually switched channels this morning to listen to XL 103 or whatever they call it.

I missed a walk off homer, apparently.

I'll live.

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#331 DragonFlame
July 02 2014, 10:53PM
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Walter White wrote:

Is it "lights out" at the seniors home Jeff?.....

WW

That was good, Walter.

I take back all the bad things I said about you :)

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#332 loudogYYC
July 02 2014, 11:49PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Vrbata signs with the Canucks for 2 years at $5 million per.

That should've been a slam-dunk for Treliving. The three best RWs have all signed (Iginla, Hemsky, Vrbata) and the Flames have virtually no one to play that side without being converted from LW.

There has been some mention of mentoring and sheltering in this thread.

Management's inability to address that hole on the roster is also a failure to whomever is forced to play out of position or further up the depth chart.

Raymond and Hudler are listed as LW/RW by some sites, so lets give them the benefit of the doubt, and Colborne, if he is playing 4th line, is probably versatile enough in that limited role to be able to play either wing.

Scanning through some of the depth charts for the coming season and the Flames' roster stacks up among the worst in the league alongside the Sabres, Senators and Canucks.

I will be very interested to see Hartley's approach to icing this roster.

There's no need to fill every hole this early into next season Rex.

You can't milk Philly, Toronto, Boston & Chicago for cap space if you address every "hole" in the roster.

Speaking of Philly, they signed Nick Schultz to a 1 year deal giving them 7 NHL defensemen. Grossmann, Schenn or Coburn will be traded soon.

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#333 gussey
July 03 2014, 12:00AM
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Clyde wrote:

An old teammate is a relative. The player obviously went where the money was but is legitimately thrilled that it was Calgary that not only bucked up but made it clear they value the leadership qualities and work ethic he will bring. He will, I believe, be a valuable short term mentor on the rebuild.

After my initial reaction, I've changed my tune. Clydes post is what I predict. He's no #3-4 dman, but I think he will honestly be valuable calgary flame, cap hit aside. I hope flame fans accept him, from what I've read he's a good guy.

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#334 Burnward
July 03 2014, 04:53AM
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Treliving drops a blockbuster on us today. I feel it in my bones.

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#335 coachedpotatoe
July 03 2014, 06:43AM
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RexLibris wrote:

Vrbata signs with the Canucks for 2 years at $5 million per.

That should've been a slam-dunk for Treliving. The three best RWs have all signed (Iginla, Hemsky, Vrbata) and the Flames have virtually no one to play that side without being converted from LW.

There has been some mention of mentoring and sheltering in this thread.

Management's inability to address that hole on the roster is also a failure to whomever is forced to play out of position or further up the depth chart.

Raymond and Hudler are listed as LW/RW by some sites, so lets give them the benefit of the doubt, and Colborne, if he is playing 4th line, is probably versatile enough in that limited role to be able to play either wing.

Scanning through some of the depth charts for the coming season and the Flames' roster stacks up among the worst in the league alongside the Sabres, Senators and Canucks.

I will be very interested to see Hartley's approach to icing this roster.

What will be interesting is what philosophy of icing a team they will employ? Will it be the A: standard top two lines, a checking line and an energy line, or B: three lines that play regular shifts and an energy/enforcer line or C: play 4 lines of equal ability.

IMO: I am not sure they have the high end talent to employ A. Down the road I think we have some potential to have this but not today.

B: is what I think Hartley tried to use last year and what I suspect he will use again this year.I have not had time to digest how the two new guys will impact the lineup.

C: Roll four equal lines, shelter the kids by playing them with vets, play them in many different situation, protect them with a physical presence on each line this will help in their development. This of course would be my choice.

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#336 coachedpotatoe
July 03 2014, 07:00AM
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So after a quick look at the roster here is what my lines would look like during the early going (not sure what the chemistry would be)

Hudler/Monahan/Colborne(this line played together last year and had some chemistry)

Johnny/Backs/Bouma(lots of defensive zone starts)

Glenx/Stajan/Raymond (lots of defensive zone starts)

Bollig/Granlund/Djones

There will be a lot of guys pushing for the 13 and 14 forward spot: McG, Bennett, Knight, Sven, Rhino, Ferland to name just a few.

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#337 Jeff In Lethbridge
July 03 2014, 07:41AM
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Is it "lights out" at the seniors home Jeff?.....

WW

not sure, but how is it at the psych ward?

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#338 coachedpotatoe
July 03 2014, 08:12AM
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Here's a name that I would like to float that might have been a better option for the Flames( I really don't know) Brett Bellemore 26 years old 6'4" 225 right hand shot played 64 games in Carolina last year.

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#339 jeremywilhelm
July 03 2014, 09:16AM
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He absolutely would have been an excellent option.

A pylon probably would have been a better option over Engelland.

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#340 Baalzamon
July 03 2014, 09:39AM
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Flames signed Brad Thiessen and some guy named Sena Acolatse to 2-way deals.

Thiessen is a minor league goalie... probably to push/backup Ortio (not sure they can send him to the ECHL).

Acolatse seems like a decent enough minor league dman. Nothing special.

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#341 Taylor McKee
July 03 2014, 11:00AM
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He absolutely would have been an excellent option.

A pylon probably would have been a better option over Engelland.

Yup. Actually, upon further thought, a pylon really 'polices' and 'holds people accountable' quite well. I think 3 X 1.9 is reasonable for a pylon over DE

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