An Open Letter To Curtis Glencross

bookofloob
July 18 2014 11:06AM

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Dear Curtis Glencross,

No.

Regards, 

Flames fans.

I'm being told I need to delve deeper into this, so I guess that's what I'll do.

In reference to this interview you gave, Mister Glencross, the one where you're talking about working on a contract extension now for some reason, the one where you go on record saying you're not willing to play for a hometown discount? That one? Yes, we the undersigned have a few issues with it, and if it's okay with you, we'd like to go over them in some detail? Good? Good.

Priorities

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We're all aware of what you're doing, Curtis, and it's a pretty smart move if you ask me. Your contract is up at the end of the season, and you and your agent are being proactive out there on trying to get a new contract out of the team. That makes sense. They haven't talked to you yet, so you talk to them.

But your timing, my friend, is off. Consider the mind of Brad Treliving like a warm, delicious pie. Do you see pie in your head right now? Yeah? Me too. I'm also very much craving pie right now, but let's focus on the task at hand. If you cut the pie that is Bred Treliving's brain into pieces, you'll see the individual sections are of unequal size. These slices are Treliving's priorities. The big pieces, you'll see are as follows: 

The medium sized pieces are all about getting RFA's (Joe Colborne, Lance Bouma, Joni Ortio) all locked up. Which leaves the smaller pieces of the pie for Treliving:

This is not to say that signing you is not a priority, or that it's not important, because it is. You just need to wait your turn, pal. It's not time yet. And this is potentially, a very good thing for you, if you play your cards right, because of value.

Value

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There's one part of your interview that really struck a chord with me, Curtis, and I think it's worth repeating:

“It’ll be a little bit different this time around,” Glencross explained. “I told them when we did the last deal that I love playing at home and I’ll take kind of a hometown discount hit so we could make this team a better team.

“I might only have a couple more contracts left in my career, and this is probably the biggest contract of my career. The Flames have to know that as well, and hopefully they take it into consideration, what I did the last four years.”

Okay, look, there's no doubt that your current contract is one of the best values in the NHL. After you signed that deal in 2011, it was mere months before we saw players nowhere near as good as you get richer with some pretty madcap and wacky deals, and it wasn't cool. When you're on your game, you are a fine hockey player. You're not a huge possession driver, but you're not a liability either, and when you're in the lineup, you put up points. In a full season, we can probably reasonably expect you to be a ~45 point guy with a shooting percentage in the 15% range. That's not bad. That's good second line stuff.

But let's face the facts. You said it yourself, you probably only have a couple of contracts left to sign (I would say it's more than that, because towards the end of your career, I suspect you'll only be re-upping for one year at a time until we all retire and die). You're going to be 32 years old when your contract expires this year, and we know what that means. You're still a young man, sure, but as a hockey player, you're on the brink of twilight, and you're never in that point of your career where you're ever going to get better. Players regress, and the way you play the game, Curtis, you're not going to be any different. It's a punishing style, and you're not the kind of guy who lurks around on the periphery looking for the fast break. You're more an Iginla than a Selanne. And that catches up with you eventually.

Which is why you've never skated through a full season. Injuries always happen, and I don't think the term "injury prone" is actually a thing at all. I'd suggest playing a full season in the NHL takes a good degree of luck. It's a random game, and at it's heart it's a violent game, to come away unscathed is hard to do. What I would say, is that you have bad luck. It's hard to justify paying a full season's worth of work when you're only around for half of it.

Which is not to say you won't rebound and have a lush, full season where you play the finest hockey of your life. That's entirely possible, just much more implausible. 

Which is why you should use this season as your resume for the contract you're going to sign at the end of this season. It would be swell if the Flames recognized that you took a healthy hometown discount on your last pact, and that it's very clear that Southern Alberta is where your heart is, but at the same time, it's a business, and it's ill advised to go around signing players to legacy contracts if they're going to also be expensive. You're as aware of this racket as anyone, as you're willing to go to the open market to get more money in a city you don't necessarily want to be in (because who would ever want to live in Buffalo? Yech).

If you were to rebound from last year and be the Glencross we all know and tolerate love (and maybe decreased the amount of flagrantly stupid penalties you're wont to take), then would we all be smitten kittens if you inked a 2-3 year deal worth 3.5 million a year? I'd say that's very fair for someone in your position. It's not as if you're really able to hold the team hostage over this - there's not a lot of depth on this team, but at LW it's stronger organizationally than any other roster spot - so how much leverage do you really have?

Not to say you don't bring a lot of value to the Flames, Curtis, because you really do, but it's not cool to be a veteran forward who offers all the "intangibles" and "clutchiness" to his team but can't stay in the lineup due to injuries and commands a 5 million dollar a year contract. I know that sounds crazy, but I swear to Lanny's Mustache I've heard that one before.

Don't go full Bolland, Curtis. (Even if it would play out a hunch of mine)

Play the season out. Take a step back and assess where the team is heading and how you fit into it. Wait and see how the Brodie and Backlund negotiations go. Wait to see how the market shakes itself out. Become the market, and earn that next contract. Or earn that next bigger one somewhere else. Trying to win the big ticket right now before training camp even opens is your weakest move.

Sincerely,

rational people

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#1 piscera.infada
July 18 2014, 11:24AM
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I love this article, but right now it's time to go get some pie.

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#2 Jeremy
July 18 2014, 11:36AM
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Lets be honest, this is a team that has a ton of left wingers. Many on the cusp of the NHL. Glencross is a progress killer for a number of them (Baertschi). Curtis needs to be traded ASAP. Even if it's at the deadline he must be sold off for an asset . His future is on a contending team, getting a low second round pick for the Flames. Hopefully the team deals him before he gets hurt again this year

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#3 The Last Big Bear
July 18 2014, 07:43PM
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1) Glencross is an excellent hockey player.

2) He hates the Oilers.

3) He scored a hat trick against the Oilers in one of their franchise's most humiliating games of all time.

4) He did a huge favour for the team and took a big pay cut when the Flames needed the cap space, he should get a big payday now that they don't.

5) This is exactly the kind of thing the organisation should be encouraging. If you take a deep pay cut for a no-trade clause, you're a Flame for the duration, no questions asked. None of this "Give out an NTC and ask you to waive it two seasons later" nonsense.

6) Glencross probably has 3-ish years of good NHL-level hockey left in the tank, and his current contract will use up one of them.

7) $5m x 3 years, or $4m x 4 years, with an 'NTC is a fair deal. He could get more on the open market, both sides know this. He wants to stay in Calgary, and both sides know this too. This deal would see him handsomely paid, even though he will be past his "Best Before" date for the last year or two. I'm fine with that.

8) Oilers suck.

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#4 RKD
July 18 2014, 11:43AM
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Glen X is a pretty good guy and can help us offensively, however, the reality is that he's never scored more than 26 goals in a season and has never hit 50 points in his career. Last season he probably could have hit some career highs had he not been injured. If BT is true to his word, he should not give Glencross more than 2-3 years max. But my guess is that Curtis wants 4-5 years with a NTC. If he plays well and the Flames can't meet his contract demands then they should trade him. They didn't trade Cammy and we lost him for nothing, I don't want the same thing to happen for Glencross.

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#6 Kent Wilson
July 18 2014, 11:54AM
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I'd be okay considering a Glencross extension if he didn't struggle so badly last year. His first-10 games were flat out awful. His overall underlying numbers were mediocre (to be kind).

If he returns to form this season, maybe the team can think about keeping him around. If not, then not.

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#8 dotfras
July 18 2014, 11:41AM
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I think it would be foolish to extend him. If he gets off to a good start trade his ass while he still has a value contract. We need to be building for the future and GlenX is turning into what some would call a "post-apex" player.

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#9 clyde
July 18 2014, 11:48AM
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Curtis would fit well with Boston or Philly. Flames could retain contract and take a higher priced def and a 2nd.

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#10 McRib
July 18 2014, 01:34PM
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As much as I love what Curtis Glencross has done for the community, I wish we would have traded him two free agent deadline days ago, when 26+ teams were inquiring about his services.

Dear Mr. Treliving, Let this serve as a reminder, in the future when 20+ teams want a slightly above average replacement player from us and are willing to overpay sustainably to get him in a bidding war, don't deny them of that right!!!

Let’s face it Curtis Glencross will retire in Calgary like every other Western Canadian who played for us. However, I would actually like for us to trade him at the deadline this year and then for him to sign a huge contract as a UFA with another team during next years offseason (he deserves to get paid!!!).

If Sven Baertschi shows up to camp this year like he should have last year, I wouldn't even mind trading Glenny this year mid-season. Curtis Glencross is a Chris Kunitz lite and will always be better served playing in a good situation with skilled teammates, elevating his game to their level he cannot drive the bus on his own!!!

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#11 McRib
July 18 2014, 01:44PM
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I have never read an FN article where everyone is as 100% on the same page and unanimously agees as much as the consensus of this article, obviously the fans have spoken Mr. Treliving!!

Curtis Glencross deserves to get paid by someone other than Calgary!! Nice Work Loob (you can go back to Sweden again for another couple of months, until the season).

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#12 Kent Wilson
July 18 2014, 01:13PM
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This is ridicupie! This was supposed to pie a serious pie about a pier's upcoming pie negotiations and pie that anyone can pie about is pie!

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#13 Justin Azevedo
July 18 2014, 11:58AM
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strawberry rhubarb mmm

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#14 Hank williams
July 19 2014, 08:02AM
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Pay the man! He represents everything there is about Calgary Values. Western Heritage, helps out the chuckwagon's during Stampede, hates the Oilers and he earned his stripes in the NHL the hard way.(midget C and a tour through the AJHL with the Brooks Bandit's) Glencross obviously has the Cowboy up, never quit attitude, so revered by our population, at least during Stampede. It would be a black eye to the Flames ownership similar to the one whenSutter punted Andrew Ference to Boston after signing him to a home town discount. You cannot treat everyone with a NMC but it is clear in this example that Glencross is OWED by the Flames C'mon Murray Edwards, It is the Cowboy Way. Make it Right

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#15 fretsey
July 18 2014, 11:22AM
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I've never been a fan of GlenX....I only hope he stays healthy and has a productive enough year to increase his trade value. I would not resign him unless it's a sign 'n' trade

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#16 the-wolf
July 18 2014, 10:58PM
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Move him now. Before any injuries and where the team getting him knows they have him for a full season. As someone else suggested, taken on salary as well and bring back a nice young asset on D.

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#17 Baalzamon
July 18 2014, 12:47PM
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bookofloob wrote:

Pie is the great unifier.

Except for those weird idiots that don't like pie

*slinks away into the shadows*

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#18 piscera.infada
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As much as I love what Curtis Glencross has done for the community, I wish we would have traded him two free agent deadline days ago, when 26+ teams were inquiring about his services. Dear Mr. Treliving, Let this serve as a reminder, in the future when 20+ teams want a slightly above average replacement player from us and are willing to overpay sustainably to get him in a bidding war, don't deny them of that right!!!

Ever considered that Flames management asked him to waive his NMC (considering there were really that many offers) and he refused? I mean really, he took a drastic pay-cut to stay close to home. In fact, I imagine that's exactly what happened. That said, if there is a year he decides to waive it, it will be this year towards the deadline. Then, he's free to sign wherever. If the Flames don't offer him the term and/or dollars he wants (which is very likely), then you'll get your wish.

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#19 jeremywilhelm
July 19 2014, 12:56AM
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Yes, one mediocre season makes a guy with one of the best value contracts in the NHL expendable.

Totally.

I agree.

Ship his ass out because the Flames depth chart is just bursting with 25 goal scorers we can't afford to keep Glencross.

Sigh.... This Is going to be a long season.

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#20 Alt
July 18 2014, 12:50PM
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YEA Should never have signed a hometown discount to begin with.I found it hard to believe at the time that your agent would'nt have been hollering and screaming, YOOOUU FOOOOOL!

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#21 theCalgaryJames
July 18 2014, 03:17PM
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bookofloob wrote:

Pie is the great unifier.

Except for those weird idiots that don't like pie

Cake-eaters!

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#22 Kent Wilson
July 18 2014, 11:31AM
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What a load of rich creamery pie.

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#23 FeyWest
July 18 2014, 11:51AM
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@Jeremy

I only think we need to resort to this if the young guns can push him down the depth chart come training camp. He does provide Veteran Leadership and is a good 2nd line LWer when he's Scoreface.

If we do re-sign him I feel it's only going to be a 1-2 year deal because I don't think he fits into the long-term plans and right now he at least provides a decent buffer for the young guys. I like Glenny so it's hard for me to say that but we do have to look towards the next couple years when we start our ascension. *Edit* of course this all hinges on this years training camp and start of season performance.

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#24 Baalzamon
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Kent Wilson wrote:

This is ridicupie! This was supposed to pie a serious pie about a pier's upcoming pie negotiations and pie that anyone can pie about is pie!

Can we talk about Dan Pie-yay?

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#25 suba steve
July 18 2014, 02:13PM
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Thing is, the Flames could easily afford to repay Curtis' loyalty quite generously on a 1-2 year extension, that is if they really feel that they owe it to him (not sure what handshake agreement may have occurred between Curtis and KK).

I'm not saying that they should, just that they could. Cause really, his current deal hasn't paid him nearly enough.

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#26 JayD54
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The bottom line to the Glencross situation is that he is still of value to the organization. And its up to the organization to do what is right, for it and for the player.

This is a guy who would stay, but would rightfully expect to be paid market to stay. I have no argument with that, particularly with the cap situation here.

As well, this is a player who would be of value on the ice, as I firmly believe that a full season, uninjured Scoreface would chalk up 20-25 goals with any of the centres this team can ice. That said, he is value in a Flames uniform as well as of value as a bargaining chip in trade discussions now through to the trade deadline.

And I believe that BT will do the right thing, for the organization and this player.

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#27 Alt
July 19 2014, 09:57AM
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suba steve wrote:

Thing is, the Flames could easily afford to repay Curtis' loyalty quite generously on a 1-2 year extension, that is if they really feel that they owe it to him (not sure what handshake agreement may have occurred between Curtis and KK).

I'm not saying that they should, just that they could. Cause really, his current deal hasn't paid him nearly enough.

If management is ok with paying England 3 mill/DJones 4 mill,i don't have a problem with Glencross making a statement like this. Management will expect more from him than those 2 players,so pay up.

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#28 PrairieStew
July 18 2014, 01:34PM
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Cowpie Curtis. You've stepped in it. Lots of guys ready to take your place in the next couple of years. An experienced ranch hand like yourself is always welcome but might not be in the outfit's best interest over the long cattle drive.

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#29 Walter White
July 18 2014, 11:31PM
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the-wolf wrote:

Move him now. Before any injuries and where the team getting him knows they have him for a full season. As someone else suggested, taken on salary as well and bring back a nice young asset on D.

Yup.

WW

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#30 Rockmorton65
July 19 2014, 10:19AM
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Give him top line/pp minutes,pads his stats while he helps teach the kids. Hopefully he can put up 20-25 G and 50 pts.

Trade him at the deadline to a contender, with the agreement that the Flames will re sign him in the summer (ala Tkachuk).

Sign him to a cherry contract (3 yrs/16 mil in the off season) as a thank you.

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#31 FeyWest
July 18 2014, 12:03PM
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@Justin Azevedo

Justin's back from the grave I see, all it took was pie! :D Welcome back good sir.

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#32 Baalzamon
July 20 2014, 08:00PM
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@Alt

IMO management should have bought out Jones and re-written Backlund/Glencross contracts

You can't re-write contracts...

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#33 Baalzamon
July 21 2014, 08:26AM
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@Alt

But they're already under contract. Offering new ones wouldn't help the cap situation one bit.

I dislike David Jones probably more than anyone else on this site. But cutting his 4million dollar salary would take the Flames that much further away from the cap floor, and they'd have to sign AT LEAST one more player to make up the difference.

The Flames have quite a few wingers already, if you haven't noticed. At least with Jones, young players (such as Baertschi) have someone they can likely outplay, with the added lesson that if you can't keep your spot you'll be cut from the roster regardless of how much you make.

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#34 Parallex
July 18 2014, 01:10PM
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Justin Azevedo wrote:

strawberry rhubarb mmm

I'm more of a Banana Cream or Lemon Meringue kind of guy myself, although I do enjoy a Caramel Apple Crumble on occasion.... mmmmm pie.

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#35 Colin.S
July 18 2014, 01:16PM
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BT/BB should talk to Curtis and explain the merits of being traded to a contender if what he wants is a big fat contract next. He's not gonna get that playing with the flames this year. He won't play on a line with Gaudreau/Hudler who will probably be the Flames top scorers since they all play LW and with Gaudreau/Hudler, GlennX might be playing as a 3rd line LW to.

Quite honestly if I were BB/BT after that interview and seeing his desire is a big fat pay cheque I'd be looking to trade him now, preferably for an "A" defensive prospect.

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#36 ?
July 18 2014, 06:19PM
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

If apple pie is made of apples
and mincemeat pie is made of mincemeat
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What is shepherds pie made of? Discuss.

Jellybeans

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#37 Baalzamon
July 19 2014, 01:02PM
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@Alt

Except Jones signed that contract with Colorado, not Calgary.

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#38 WTF
July 24 2014, 06:28AM
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Bruce Veloor wrote:

The finest pie is 19yr old woman fur.

Honestly, your comment doesn't make sense. First off, people don't have fur. Secondly, I don't think you wrote what you meant to. Women typically hit puberty sometime between 10-15, and this "fur" that you love must be 19 years old, right? SO that would put the 19 years unshaven woman between 29 and 34. I can almost agree with that last part. IMO regarding a combination of appearance and skill, Women are not unlike hockey players, their best almost always come somewhere between 22 and 32 :) But yeah, in reality, I get that you were trying to be creepy and insinuating that barely legal women are what you are most attracted to. Bravo, the older you are, the weirder that is.

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#39 Clay
July 18 2014, 01:37PM
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It's not us, it's you.

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#40 Rockmorton65
July 18 2014, 03:29PM
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If apple pie is made of apples
and mincemeat pie is made of mincemeat
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What is shepherds pie made of? Discuss.

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#41 Loxeus
July 19 2014, 01:29PM
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You guys should be grateful. He is amazing trade bait on Be a GM mode when you play as the Flames.

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#42 loudogYYC
July 19 2014, 02:39PM
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@jeremywilhelm

It's not about the mediocre season, man. He's gonna be 32 and for him to be effective he has to play a style of game which most 32 year olds no longer excel at.

I always thought Glencross was one of the best 3rd liners in the NHL, much like a Justin Williams but with a different playing style.

Philadelphia, NYR or LA would be much better teams for Glencross than Calgary would be. It doesn't make sense to pay top dollar for a player who requires excellent linemates.

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#43 Loxeus
July 19 2014, 10:42AM
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Well, as he points out, part of his motivation for taking the value deal was to make the Flames a better team. It seems strange to me that he would want to do that for his hometown and then just bounce when we finally get good. It wouldn't surprise me if we are able to sign him again next year for another good value contract. And if that's something we can do, I don't see why we wouldn't.

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#44 A rye morning
July 20 2014, 12:14PM
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Alt wrote:

Calgary accepted it ,and could have bought it out.

Yeah lets buy out David Jones, then we would have $4 million to sign Kevin Westgarth to get to the cap floor.

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#45 A rye morning
July 20 2014, 01:15PM
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And saskatoon berry pie is the best.

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#46 suba steve
July 20 2014, 06:21PM
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With Glencross not being able to stay healthy for a full season I don't see the point in waiting till October or later to trade him. Different story if he was a RW of course.

I wonder if Glencross alone would be enough to get Coburn out of Philly.

Wonder if it would be possible for the Flames to take on Pronger's contract from Philly (almost $5million/yr cap hit for the next 3 seasons). That may be worth something significant to them, 2015 first rounder or a good young player?

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#47 Bruce Veloor
July 20 2014, 08:52PM
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The finest pie is 19yr old woman fur.

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#48 Glencross is right
July 24 2014, 06:16AM
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Man, I can't blame Glencross for not wanting to take a hometown discount. Jones is making 4 million. We just gave MayRay 3.15 mil and Engellund 2.9 mil each for 3 years. If that was my work environment and fellow employees of that calibre were landing that kind of money... there's no way I'd take a discount. I'd at least be asking 4mil/3yr if I was him cuz he will get it somewhere. These thinner on talent free agencies of the "new" nhl really crank the price on mid-level talent.

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#49 69
July 25 2014, 01:22PM
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#50 mtgould89
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I love Glennie. I really do. He actually happens to be my favourite current Flame, and he has been ever since Brendan Morrison left. He was my third favourite in 2008-09 when Bertuzzi and Aucoin were here, and before that, I didn't like hockey, mainly because I was too young to understand it. Glennie and Gio are my only two lifelong Flames, and I would hate to see him go. He is the classic underdog, who no one thought of in 2008 when the most reception that he got in the Albertan hockey community was from Oilers fans who called him a traitor. Andre Roy got more praise. In my head, I want him to extend in Calgary, win in Calgary, and retire in Calgary. But in my heart, I think he'll retire elsewhere. He deserves it. Baertschi is NHL ready. Agostino might be, although one more year wouldn't hurt. Gaudreau is probably ready. Mark my words, Glencross will be a Philadelphia Flyer within 5 years.

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