Report: Flames Settle With Colborne

Ryan Pike
July 22 2014 10:27AM

Because nobody ever really wants to go forward with an arbitration hearing and publicly bury one of their players, the Calgary Flames have reportedly come to terms with center Joe Colborne on a new deal.

The deal sounds about right. I mean, if I'm Colborne's agent, I go into the hearing and say "Hey, you're paying Brandon Bollig $1.25 million." And that's probably my entire argument.

Colborne played 80 games for the Flames last season after being acquired from the Toronto Maple Leafs for a fourth round pick rather than the Leafs risking losing him on waivers for nothing. Splitting time between being a depth center and a top-nine right-wing, Colborne put up 28 points - double Brandon Bollig's 2013-14 total - and was actually pretty great as a shootout specialist because of his freakish reach.

The Calgary Sun's Wes Gilbertson recently got an update on Colborne, who mentioned he's up to 220 pounds via some muscle gain, which should help him in those corner battles.

We're awaiting official confirmation from the club on the deal, as everyone else is.

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Ryan Pike is a Calgary native and FlamesNation's managing editor. He's covered the Flames and the NHL since 2010. His work can also be found at The Hockey Writers and The Wrestling Observer.
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#51 McRib
July 23 2014, 10:42AM
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He has already added 7-10 pounds (As per Wes Gilbertson of Calgary Sun) and the offseason is only half over....

I just lost 30+ pounds in three months by eating healthy and working out at the YMCA... Not sure why someone who was severally underdeveloped with a team of top of the line personal trainers couldn't gain 20 pounds over the course of four or five months.... Brian Burke basically said if he didn't add at least 15-20 pounds of muscle he would never stick as an NHLer so that is as good motivation as any to do so. I'm 6'1" and even now with a body fat of 7-9% am having a hard time getting under 210 pounds. Someone who is four inches taller at that weight is gaunt and has very little muscle! He should be able to gain 15 pounds of muscle easily and at 6'5" his playing weight should be at least 220-225.

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#52 Jeff Lebowski
July 23 2014, 10:46AM
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The last thing about JC. I like him but I think people are overvaluing his potential.

I think Burke was NOT in fact protecting JC from the immediate pressure of coming home and call him a Steckel. I think that is what he really thinks of his ceiling. I think he's better than Steckel but not by that much.

When I watched the SM-JC combo and I looked at SM assists, I'm wondering why his obvious playmaking is not being realized in counting stats.

I don't think it was a case where SM teed up pucks that JC was unable to put in BUT JC did show to me an inability to read the play. I think he had difficulty staying consistent in that, bad plays affected him for long stretches in a game. I think he tries real hard to play perfect and it sometimes eats him up. Trying not to let anyone down. When I watch players with better hockey sense play with SM there are more chances created. Small plays. Like little bumps of the puck down low etc.

Granted a position change may be the culprit but perhaps naively I think position change shouldn't factor as much offensively - that's just more read and react. He might be one of those people who needs to feel 100% comfortable with systems and not making mistakes before he lets his talent flow.

I think he just needs to play freer from worry. But again, what do I know?

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#53 subz
July 23 2014, 10:56AM
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Yes he is already a decent third liner.

you cherry picked the 2 best teams in the nhl, but still his relative corsi numbers fall in range of top 9 forward, and most certainly his point total fall well within a top 9. Is he the best 3rd liner no, but definitely not the worst not by a long shot.

How are you measuring he is not ?

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#54 subz
July 23 2014, 11:08AM
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Losing weight does not equate to gaining.

He was 213lbs at beginning of last year , is now close to 220 as per his interview fan960 yesterday.I'll leave it to you to look up muscle gain rate but 20-30 lbs in a 6 months time, don't think so.

In any event to bring it back to hockey more of a concern would be strength with improved play in corners and in front of the net this would hopefully correlate to more possession of the puck more shots, and more points, leaving no doubt he is indeed a good third liner.

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#55 McRib
July 23 2014, 11:16AM
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subz wrote:

Yes he is already a decent third liner.

you cherry picked the 2 best teams in the nhl, but still his relative corsi numbers fall in range of top 9 forward, and most certainly his point total fall well within a top 9. Is he the best 3rd liner no, but definitely not the worst not by a long shot.

How are you measuring he is not ?

No he is not he is a decent third liner on one of the worst teams in the league!!! How is that Cherry picking results? Choose any good team in the Western Conference (LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Anaheim, San Jose, Minnesota, etc). He doesn't even make those teams....

Joe Colborne averaged 18 MINUTES a night for us in the last 10 games of the season and averaged 16 MINUTES a night in the second half of the season, playing on our first or second unit power play....

Honestly he put up mediocre third line offensive numbers playing Top. 6 minutes (Top 3 every third night). Obviously most normal third liners get 8-10 minutes some nights and zero PP. For the ice time he got he should have had at least 50-60 points if he is an above replacement NHLer.

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#56 Loxeus
July 23 2014, 11:32AM
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Really glad to see us pull this off while avoiding the Colborne Ultimatum.

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#57 subz
July 23 2014, 11:49AM
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McRib wrote:

No he is not he is a decent third liner on one of the worst teams in the league!!! How is that Cherry picking results? Choose any good team in the Western Conference (LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Anaheim, San Jose, Minnesota, etc). He doesn't even make those teams....

Joe Colborne averaged 18 MINUTES a night for us in the last 10 games of the season and averaged 16 MINUTES a night in the second half of the season, playing on our first or second unit power play....

Honestly he put up mediocre third line offensive numbers playing Top. 6 minutes (Top 3 every third night). Obviously most normal third liners get 8-10 minutes some nights and zero PP. For the ice time he got he should have had at least 50-60 points if he is an above replacement NHLer.

Ridiculous . 8 minutes a game 3rd liner ? Look up total ice times around the league.Hell even Westgarth and Mcgrattan averaged around 7 a game. Stick to facts.

Again you cherry pick 18 minutes a game in the last 10 games, 16 minutes in the second half, i'm sure you have heard small sample size around these parts once or twice (Colborne did have a better second half btw). He averaged 14:16 ice time per game the ENTIRE season, he scored 28pts, this puts him in line with a 3rd liner of ALL the teams.

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#58 McRib
July 23 2014, 11:50AM
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"He was 213lbs at beginning of last year, is now close to 220 as per his interview fan960 yesterday.”

I actually highly doubt he was actually 213 lbs last year, as most underdeveloped players greatly overestimate height or weight for appearance or for other more tangible things like “insurance coverage”. Which means he has likely gained closer to 10-15 pounds already if he is above 220 (The Flames Team site also has Johnny Gaudreau at 5’9”, Hahah). The 20-30 pound comment that you pounced on was referring to the next two summers, but if you can’t gain 15-20 pounds in six months with the best trainers in the world at an undersized (almost dangerous weight) then you should really just give up aspirations of being a PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY PLAYER.

"In any event to bring it back to hockey more of a concern would be strength with improved play in corners and in front of the net this would hopefully correlate to more possession of the puck more shots, and more points…."

This is basically a copy and paste of what I said in my first post on this article... But someone who played Top. 6 minutes with regular PP time and only put up 32 points is not a decent third liner (yet) for me, sorry.

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#59 McRib
July 23 2014, 12:04PM
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Yes, he had a better second half because he was getting more than 16 MINUTES A NIGHT, regular power play time and playing with some of our best players like Jiri Hudler. Normal third liners do not play with teams best players and get first line PP time.

Anyway that is enough of me having every word I say attacked, I get it you like Joe Colborne! Have a good day!

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#60 chillout
July 23 2014, 12:10PM
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McRib wrote:

"He was 213lbs at beginning of last year, is now close to 220 as per his interview fan960 yesterday.”

I actually highly doubt he was actually 213 lbs last year, as most underdeveloped players greatly overestimate height or weight for appearance or for other more tangible things like “insurance coverage”. Which means he has likely gained closer to 10-15 pounds already if he is above 220 (The Flames Team site also has Johnny Gaudreau at 5’9”, Hahah). The 20-30 pound comment that you pounced on was referring to the next two summers, but if you can’t gain 15-20 pounds in six months with the best trainers in the world at an undersized (almost dangerous weight) then you should really just give up aspirations of being a PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY PLAYER.

"In any event to bring it back to hockey more of a concern would be strength with improved play in corners and in front of the net this would hopefully correlate to more possession of the puck more shots, and more points…."

This is basically a copy and paste of what I said in my first post on this article... But someone who played Top. 6 minutes with regular PP time and only put up 32 points is not a decent third liner (yet) for me, sorry.

Those kind of gains are easy for someone who doesn't train. Much more difficult for high level athletes to suddenly put on serious weight. I recall my days of trying to gain weight while training twice a day. 900 calorie protein shakes didn't make a dent. Wasn't until I retired that I was suddenly able to put on 20 lbs ahah.

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#61 subz
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McRib wrote:

"He was 213lbs at beginning of last year, is now close to 220 as per his interview fan960 yesterday.”

I actually highly doubt he was actually 213 lbs last year, as most underdeveloped players greatly overestimate height or weight for appearance or for other more tangible things like “insurance coverage”. Which means he has likely gained closer to 10-15 pounds already if he is above 220 (The Flames Team site also has Johnny Gaudreau at 5’9”, Hahah). The 20-30 pound comment that you pounced on was referring to the next two summers, but if you can’t gain 15-20 pounds in six months with the best trainers in the world at an undersized (almost dangerous weight) then you should really just give up aspirations of being a PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY PLAYER.

"In any event to bring it back to hockey more of a concern would be strength with improved play in corners and in front of the net this would hopefully correlate to more possession of the puck more shots, and more points…."

This is basically a copy and paste of what I said in my first post on this article... But someone who played Top. 6 minutes with regular PP time and only put up 32 points is not a decent third liner (yet) for me, sorry.

i can only go by what he , and the team states are facts HE said he is close to 220.

Your post #47 on this thread "Best case scenario is that after adding 20-30 pounds of muscle this offseason"

You will have to let me know from which post of yours i copied pasted, you mention size and leaning on players.

I understand you don't think he is a 3rd liner but haven't came up with any tangible reasons why.

My view remains He is a decent 3rd liner for facts outlined above. Added strength (I'm not so much concerned about what the scale says nor will he ever play at 230) to his game will hopefully cement he is a 3rd liner this year.

Anyhow good debate, Good Day.

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#62 MontanaMan
July 23 2014, 12:26PM
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Perfect contract. My son played alongside Joe growing up and he was always a lanky, talented player. He still needs to grow into his frame but with a little extra muscle, his game will improve. Joe has lots of skill and most important, he is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. His Dad is worth mega millions but the family is grounded and very sincere. Don't forget that last year was his first full year in the big leagues so this year will be interesting. By the end of year two of this contract, it will be obvious what direction the Flames should take. My opinion? Steady improvement and a solid player resulting in a five year extension at the end of the second year of this contract.

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Dangerous Weight? You are exaggerating. Also, you can't compare body types like this. You may be 6'1 and find it hard to drop below 210 or whatever, but I am taller than you and about 180. I am by no means gaunt. Also, I know things like BMI are somewhat bogus, but my height and weight puts me toward the top of normal, and yours puts you into overweight. The point is, you may be fit, and maybe me and Joe Colbourne are too. You can't just willy nilly compare frame sizes. Eric Stahl is 6'4 and 205 according to wikipedia and TSN. I guess he is too puny to be an NHLer???

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#64 Kevin R
July 23 2014, 12:33PM
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Well, I think the moral of this whole JC debate is that the kid needs to step up next year and become the player that got him picked in the 1st round & a 2 year contract yesterday. At age 24, this is pretty well it & whatever happens, big Joe is driving his own destiny. We have many many kids at these crossroads coming up. Good signing, low risk & I think all Flames fans hope he has that breakout season next year. For us to be a playoff team in 2-3 years again, we "have to" have at least 1 kid have a break out year like Backs & Brodie have done. McRib, I think for the kids sake he puts on that extra 20pounds of muscle. At 6'5", he could be a beast if he does. If he doesn't, well, I think we've all heard that one before.

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#65 Deaner_
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McRib wrote:

"He was 213lbs at beginning of last year, is now close to 220 as per his interview fan960 yesterday.”

I actually highly doubt he was actually 213 lbs last year, as most underdeveloped players greatly overestimate height or weight for appearance or for other more tangible things like “insurance coverage”. Which means he has likely gained closer to 10-15 pounds already if he is above 220 (The Flames Team site also has Johnny Gaudreau at 5’9”, Hahah). The 20-30 pound comment that you pounced on was referring to the next two summers, but if you can’t gain 15-20 pounds in six months with the best trainers in the world at an undersized (almost dangerous weight) then you should really just give up aspirations of being a PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY PLAYER.

"In any event to bring it back to hockey more of a concern would be strength with improved play in corners and in front of the net this would hopefully correlate to more possession of the puck more shots, and more points…."

This is basically a copy and paste of what I said in my first post on this article... But someone who played Top. 6 minutes with regular PP time and only put up 32 points is not a decent third liner (yet) for me, sorry.

I guess Malkin at 6-3, 195 is "Dangerously" under weight and should give up the dream...... If your 6-1 and 210 based on any BMI rating your quite a bit overweight by the way, unless its muscle mass of course so not really sure where the whole dangerous thing is coming from.

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#66 EugeneV
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McRib wrote:

No he is not he is a decent third liner on one of the worst teams in the league!!! How is that Cherry picking results? Choose any good team in the Western Conference (LA, Chicago, St. Louis, Anaheim, San Jose, Minnesota, etc). He doesn't even make those teams....

Joe Colborne averaged 18 MINUTES a night for us in the last 10 games of the season and averaged 16 MINUTES a night in the second half of the season, playing on our first or second unit power play....

Honestly he put up mediocre third line offensive numbers playing Top. 6 minutes (Top 3 every third night). Obviously most normal third liners get 8-10 minutes some nights and zero PP. For the ice time he got he should have had at least 50-60 points if he is an above replacement NHLer.

He hasn't even played 100 games yet, and it was his first NHL season as a regular. On a bad team.

And seriously, dude, you say "For the ice time he got he should have had at least 50-60 points if he is an above replacement NHLer", WTF?

Usually I agree with you, but 50 - 60 pts?

Hudler led the team with 56 pts.

Everyones hero Mikael Backlund outscored Colborne 39pts - 28pts with 4:16 more TOI per game.

Colborne was for all intents and purposes a rookie.

I fully expect that by the time Colborne reaches 250 games like Backlund, JC will have more than the 101 pts that Backlund does, and hopefully will have learned to use his big body to match his NHL skill.

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