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August 01 2014 08:05AM

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Trevor Linden sparks the fighting in hockey debate, a Jake Gardiner type deal in Justin Schultz' future, Flames and Jets goaltending, Nail Yakupov talking the talk, and more in this week's roundup

In the roundup we go around the Nation Network and give you some of the best articles of the last couple weeks. Every once in a while it's good to know what other teams are doing, or maybe you find an interesting article you wouldn't have found otherwise.



Trevor Linden's stance on fighting in hockey and analytics




More on the fighting in hockey debate from Flames Nation

Flames goaltending much better


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James Reimer will be a Winnipeg Jet (Eventually)

Zach Bogosian: Is he worth his hefty contract?


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Gardiner is Leafs second highest paid defenseman, can he take over?

Jake Gardiner contract a good comparable for Oilers Justin Schultz?

Nail Yakupov: Talking the talk
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Fantasy Hockey Previews courtesy of DailyFaceOff.com

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#1 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 08:43AM
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Oilers suck!

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#2 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 09:02AM
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Found a great new book entitled "Blackholes Vs. The Oilers: Which One Sucks More?"

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#3 subz
August 01 2014, 10:26AM
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@vetinari

Agreed,

Nobody does suck like you Oilers. One of the worst run teams in all sports.

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#4 Ted
August 01 2014, 10:40AM
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Spoils wrote:

I forwarded the article about Canucks impending mediocrity to a Vancouver friend. He replied - "I would find this funny if we had won at least one cup."

Our run in 2006 was a blast, not winning was really painful, but I can't even imagine the pain you canuckleheads must feel. You should have won at least one with this last team. You were so much better than the rest of the league in the regular season for a few years there.

and now... mediocrity. retooling. rebuilding.

The team you had was magical - peak sedins, kesler, incredible depth on D, goaltending, coaching...

and now... missing the playoffs. thinking about the draft. dumping talent.

welcome back to hell. nice to see you again.

Hell? Odd term considering the Canucks will still be better than any of the Alberta teams. Coilers are on a decade long rebuild and that's just to sniff the playoffs again. The Flamers have a relic at the helm and want to ice a goon squad - OLD TIME HOCKEY! Alberta - where they produce fine NHL golfers.

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#5 redhot1
August 01 2014, 10:34AM
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vetinari wrote:

I am typing this post very, very slowly because if you are a Flames fan, you are probably reading it out loud and may need help with all the big words from an adult with all of their original teeth (such as your brother/uncle or your sister/cousin).

We've been higher than your team and we've been lower than your team, but all that it proves is that you can't win like a champion and you can't even fail with any gusto... you guys are just tweeners and that's the worst place to be.

These aren't the Flames of three years ago buddy. They have some decent youth coming through the system. Add in an expected high pick next draft, and they will have a very nice group of two way centres in a year or two.

And at least the Flames earned some respect for their hard work last year, unlike Edmonton. Remember the 8 to 1 drumming last year? And how could you forget the infamous jerey toss?

And Calgary has won a championship. They carved out some history from the Oilers in the 80's. But guess what? Championships from 20 - 30 years ago dont mean anything today. I dont put much stock into Stanley Cups won before the leauge was competetive as it is now.

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#6 Rockmorton65
August 01 2014, 09:58AM
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That champagne must be pretty stale by now.

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#7 Ted
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

That champagne must be pretty stale by now.

Stale? Try evaporated. Man, who was alive when they won their last Cup. Sad, old man hanging on to an ancient memory. Sad.

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#8 vetinari
August 01 2014, 10:19AM
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I am typing this post very, very slowly because if you are a Flames fan, you are probably reading it out loud and may need help with all the big words from an adult with all of their original teeth (such as your brother/uncle or your sister/cousin).

We've been higher than your team and we've been lower than your team, but all that it proves is that you can't win like a champion and you can't even fail with any gusto... you guys are just tweeners and that's the worst place to be.

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#9 BCOilFan
August 01 2014, 09:34AM
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The wit is just pouring out of your thin skull like champagne from one of the Oilers Stanley cups. Well done brainiac.

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#10 GriffCity
August 01 2014, 10:44AM
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Do Oilers fans troll Canuck pages or flame pages and write immature things about their teams? I hope not, I certainly don't. Thats the difference between Edmonton fans and flames/canucks fans, we have class. Are Edmontonians better people than Calgarians or Vancouverites? It is a possibility.

The nice thing about being an Oilers fan is that we have loads of talent and are trending upwards. VAN and CGY are hurting teams with not much to look forward to in the future, so by all means if it makes you feel good to write negative comments, continue to do so. It only epitomizes what the rest of the country already thinks about Flames/Canucks fans and just makes you look pathetic.

Cheers

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#11 Mike Krushelnyski
August 01 2014, 08:44AM
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Oilers suck!

Hey buddy, get your own gimmick.

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#12 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 08:07PM
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No Stanley Cup parades in any Canadian city for 20 plus years now, we Leaf's fans and our cousins in Montreal need to start seeing how Bettman has Americanized our sport.

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#13 Quicksilver ballet
August 01 2014, 10:55AM
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You have to hand it to those flame fans. They sure took more of their share of seasons beatings in those videos provided. To have ship rubbed in their faces all those years, and still come back for more. That's sticktoitiveness at an unprecedented rate.

They have every right to be bitter and angry at the Oilers decades later. Those poor bastages. I'm sure it wasn't easy watching the Oilers hoist the Stanley Cup 5 times, compared to their one fluke. Cruel and unusual punishment in anyones books.

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#14 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 08:50PM
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Leafs suck! Try winning a Stanley Cup when there are more than five other teams to beat.

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#15 piscera.infada
August 01 2014, 10:54AM
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GriffCity wrote:

Do Oilers fans troll Canuck pages or flame pages and write immature things about their teams? I hope not, I certainly don't. Thats the difference between Edmonton fans and flames/canucks fans, we have class. Are Edmontonians better people than Calgarians or Vancouverites? It is a possibility.

The nice thing about being an Oilers fan is that we have loads of talent and are trending upwards. VAN and CGY are hurting teams with not much to look forward to in the future, so by all means if it makes you feel good to write negative comments, continue to do so. It only epitomizes what the rest of the country already thinks about Flames/Canucks fans and just makes you look pathetic.

Cheers

1) Cross-nation post. No one's trolling "Oilers' pages" get over it. And yes, for the record, we do get Oilers' fans trolling Flames/Canucks pages. Classier/better people? I wouldn't get carried away there bud.

2) From a purely results-based analysis, are the Oilers' trending upwards? In what way? I thought they were "ready to compete" last year? Two years ago? 2011? No? Sure, they have good, young players, who have done little-to-nothing in terms of creating a successful team.

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#16 jonny94
August 01 2014, 11:11AM
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Are fans really battling about which of their hometown team is better in the middle of summer?

Reality check for everyone... All the Canadian teams didn't do as well as everyone had hoped or expected.

At this point I'd just like to see any Canadian team win a Stanley Cup. Its been since the Montreal Canadiens in '93.... 21 years and counting we've watched an American team raise the cup... Even though half of the time it were Canadian players that got them there.

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#17 Loxeus
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vetinari wrote:

I am typing this post very, very slowly because if you are a Flames fan, you are probably reading it out loud and may need help with all the big words from an adult with all of their original teeth (such as your brother/uncle or your sister/cousin).

We've been higher than your team and we've been lower than your team, but all that it proves is that you can't win like a champion and you can't even fail with any gusto... you guys are just tweeners and that's the worst place to be.

My brother/uncle/sister/cousin's/former roomate was having trouble with this word... "tweener"... we just don't git it. So it's better to remain consistently bad? I was under the impression that a miserable failure is a failure regardless of how much gusto you think you have...

You know, when my short Calgarian attention span can focus on last year's standings for long enough to find where both the Oilers and Flames are situated, I still somehow find enough of my original teeth to work out a smile...

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#18 Wonger
August 01 2014, 08:31PM
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Relax everybody! Hockey season is two months away! rELAX!!!

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#19 Consultant
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Rockmorton65 wrote:

That champagne must be pretty stale by now.

One never forgets the taste of full victory. Hopefully one day we will be able to stop having to explain it Canuck fans, must be tough for you guys.

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#20 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 02 2014, 12:21PM
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GriffCity wrote:

Do Oilers fans troll Canuck pages or flame pages and write immature things about their teams? I hope not, I certainly don't. Thats the difference between Edmonton fans and flames/canucks fans, we have class. Are Edmontonians better people than Calgarians or Vancouverites? It is a possibility.

The nice thing about being an Oilers fan is that we have loads of talent and are trending upwards. VAN and CGY are hurting teams with not much to look forward to in the future, so by all means if it makes you feel good to write negative comments, continue to do so. It only epitomizes what the rest of the country already thinks about Flames/Canucks fans and just makes you look pathetic.

Cheers

Oilers are "TRENDING UPWARD"????

omg please.... seriously... can you back that up in any measurable statistical way??? this would be priceless...

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#21 Jeff In Lethbridge
August 02 2014, 12:32PM
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And I love how Flames fans for some reason feel like they are a lot better then the Oilers despite the fact they have missed the playoffs 6 years and counting.

I don't see the Flames making the playoffs for a few more seasons, and I see the Oilers making a push this season finally and passing on the torch to Calgary for being the leading team missing the playoffs.

as a flames fan, i would be happy to see the Oilers move up to the 20-25 range in he standings.

it just is sick how the oilers have hogged all the high drafts for years, and seems intent on another top 3 pick again!

I think the NHL needs to implement a new rule, which could appropriately be called the "oiler rule", that weighs the lottery in a way that doeznt allow one team to get 5 first overalls in a row...

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#22 Gumby
August 01 2014, 12:09PM
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"Every once in a while it's good to know what other teams are doing, or maybe you find an interesting article you wouldn't have found otherwise."

^Which is why I enjoy the roundups.

The Western Canada hatred in the comment section is just gravy...

Go Leafs!

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#23 Quicksilver ballet
August 01 2014, 12:04PM
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Little known fact: Flame fans often propose marriage via Canada Post.

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#24 Jason
August 01 2014, 08:09PM
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Montreal as our "Cousins"?? Moron!!

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#25 Loxeus
August 02 2014, 06:40AM
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@jonny94

Wrong again. Every year since the start of your rebuild you have been saying "this is the year... this is the year..."

We are starting year 2 of our rebuild and you don't hear anyone saying "this is the year..."

I just said we won't be finishing in last. But we'll give you enough of our dust to munch on when the time comes and you guys are still reeling in top 3 draft picks each year saying "this is the year..."

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#26 The Last Big Bear
August 01 2014, 03:48PM
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And I love how Flames fans for some reason feel like they are a lot better then the Oilers despite the fact they have missed the playoffs 6 years and counting.

I don't see the Flames making the playoffs for a few more seasons, and I see the Oilers making a push this season finally and passing on the torch to Calgary for being the leading team missing the playoffs.

The Flames cleared the Oilers by 10 points (the biggest gap in the western conference standings), and handed the Oilers the most humiliating loss of the season on HNiC (complete with team disintegration, coach meltdown, fans throwing jerseys on the ice, the whole nine yards).

Last year the Flames humiliated the Oilers so badly that they fired their manager mid-season, because after years of rebuilding the Oilers still couldn't match up to a team that was literally DAYS into their rebuild.

Gonna. Will. Should. Next year.

Come back to me when the Oilers ARE better than the Flames. Instead of getting boo'd out of their own building.

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#27 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 09:27PM
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@ Wikk do, but remember I am a one man, man.

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#28 jonny94
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1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014....What do these years all have in common?? PS 1978 1979 also.

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#29 Spoils
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I forwarded the article about Canucks impending mediocrity to a Vancouver friend. He replied - "I would find this funny if we had won at least one cup."

Our run in 2006 was a blast, not winning was really painful, but I can't even imagine the pain you canuckleheads must feel. You should have won at least one with this last team. You were so much better than the rest of the league in the regular season for a few years there.

and now... mediocrity. retooling. rebuilding.

The team you had was magical - peak sedins, kesler, incredible depth on D, goaltending, coaching...

and now... missing the playoffs. thinking about the draft. dumping talent.

welcome back to hell. nice to see you again.

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#30 ugh
August 01 2014, 02:51PM
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THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS ARE...OKEY!!!!!

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#31 The Last Big Bear
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One of my favorite things about the Oilers is how the organization and their fans keep talking about how they're "rebuilding properly", as if there's nothing more to this than being absolute garbage every year.

It is also a source of much joy to me when "The Detroit Model" is mentioned, because the Oilers can be counted on to do the opposite thing, literally the very exact linear opposite thing, in almost every possible way.

Gutting the team, putting teenagers immediately into key roles, trading everyone over 30, getting new coaches with new systems every year or two, never having top prospects spend time in any development league, never starting their top prospects in depth roles, they literally do the exact opposite of everything that comprises the Detroit Model.

But things are totally different now! Everyone in the top-9 over the age of 26 has been traded, a teenage Leon Draisaitl is about to ge plugged straight into the top of the roster, the 5th coach in 6 years stands a very good chance of getting fired halfway through the season if things don't go well... Yep, it's almost like Scotty Bowman himself wrote this script.

I know, I know, Darnell Nurse was sent back to juniors. Clearly it's a new era. Maybe we should just restart the rebuild clock again, and Lowe can say "Hey, are you getting impatient already after only 1 year of rebuilding?"

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#32 The Last Big Bear
August 01 2014, 04:31PM
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jonny94 wrote:

And I love how Flames fans for some reason feel like they are a lot better then the Oilers despite the fact they have missed the playoffs 6 years and counting.

I don't see the Flames making the playoffs for a few more seasons, and I see the Oilers making a push this season finally and passing on the torch to Calgary for being the leading team missing the playoffs.

I regularly post on Oilers Nation, and so I have to play nice with Oilers fans all week.

But it leads to an unhealthy Kool-Aid accumulation, so I try to make up for it by ripping the Oilers as hard as possible once a week after the Round-Up posts.

Gotta balance the ol' hockey karma.

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#33 Ari Gold
August 01 2014, 11:55AM
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Do Oilers fans troll Canuck pages or flame pages and write immature things about their teams? I hope not, I certainly don't. Thats the difference between Edmonton fans and flames/canucks fans, we have class. Are Edmontonians better people than Calgarians or Vancouverites? It is a possibility.

The nice thing about being an Oilers fan is that we have loads of talent and are trending upwards. VAN and CGY are hurting teams with not much to look forward to in the future, so by all means if it makes you feel good to write negative comments, continue to do so. It only epitomizes what the rest of the country already thinks about Flames/Canucks fans and just makes you look pathetic.

Cheers

It's posts like this that make us Oiler fans look foolish. We aren't 'better' than anyone.

I live in Van and find Canuck fans fickle and delusional, can't stand them. Though this guy needs to get off the high horse. They can cheer and have their point of view.

There are clowsn in any city, Edmonton included. I've lived in all three cities and they have their own merits. Leave it on the ice.

Lastly, Go Oilers! (Flames/Nucks stink like poo!)

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#34 Privateeye
August 01 2014, 03:55PM
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1 cup.

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#35 jonny94
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

The Flames cleared the Oilers by 10 points (the biggest gap in the western conference standings), and handed the Oilers the most humiliating loss of the season on HNiC (complete with team disintegration, coach meltdown, fans throwing jerseys on the ice, the whole nine yards).

Last year the Flames humiliated the Oilers so badly that they fired their manager mid-season, because after years of rebuilding the Oilers still couldn't match up to a team that was literally DAYS into their rebuild.

Gonna. Will. Should. Next year.

Come back to me when the Oilers ARE better than the Flames. Instead of getting boo'd out of their own building.

And I was in the building when I watched half of the Saddledome leave the game at the start of the 3rd period when the Oilers doused the Flames 8-2 when all you could hear was chanting of "Lets Go Oilers."

Whats your point? Both teams suck and both teams have humiliated each other in their own building and I'm sure theres more of that to come for both teams. The difference here is that the Oilers are further into their rebuild (which is embarrassing that its still going and I'll admit that) however its funny how you mock the management yet Feaster commented about how the Oilers were wandering in the desert when eventually the Calgary Flames did exactly what the Oilers did 2 years earlier. Rebuild. You guys are in year 2 of your rebuild and we're in year 4. I have a hard time believing the Flames will make the playoffs in year 4 of their playoffs.

Also you guys have thrown just as many youngsters in to the league as the Oilers. Baertschi, Reinhart, Monahan, and now Sam Bennett is an obvious starter.

Can we be friends?

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#36 A rye morning
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Spector's site as well as Hockey Buzz rumor mill are saying there could be a deal in two days if Subban isnt signed..Would love him here as well as Plekanec at center, which is an area of need with this team.

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#37 Wonger
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@A rye morning

EMail me at maryanns21rules@yahoo.com

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#38 jonny94
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Loxeus wrote:

Baertschi - Drafted 3 years ago, 51 GP in NHL M. Reinhart - Drafted 4 years ago, 19 GP in NHL Bennett - Completely unfounded claim that he will certainly be playing more than 9 games next season.

Got any better examples of players the Flames have "thrown in" to the NHL? I'll give you Monahan, but many of our fans believe that was a mistake. I don't hear many Oil fans lamenting over Eberle, Hall, RNH, or Yakupov getting dispatched too soon.

The only thing similar between the rebuilds of these 2 teams is that yes, they have both obtained some first round draft picks and finished poorly in the standings in the process. You ask if we will make the playoffs in year 4 of our rebuild? Maybe, maybe not. But I bet you we won't be finishing bottom 4 in the NHL either (unlike... hmmm... there has to be an example...)

Kovalchuk, Nash, Fleury, Ovechkin, Crosby, Johnson, Kane, Stamkos, Tavares, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, Mackinnon all 1st overall picks. All went into the NHL right off the bat. You can't tell me the Flames would do anything different then any other team albeit the Oilers just sucked way worse and that's on management. No Oilers fan will disagree with you there.

Funny that you say "I bet you we won't be finishing bottom 4 in the NHL by year 4 of the rebuild" .... You sound like an Oilers fan cause we said the exact same thing.

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@jeff....you can stop talking out of your a$$ anytime now....

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#40 jonny94
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Jeff In Lethbridge wrote:

as a flames fan, i would be happy to see the Oilers move up to the 20-25 range in he standings.

it just is sick how the oilers have hogged all the high drafts for years, and seems intent on another top 3 pick again!

I think the NHL needs to implement a new rule, which could appropriately be called the "oiler rule", that weighs the lottery in a way that doeznt allow one team to get 5 first overalls in a row...

@Manfly..He is the biggest loser on this site and is either a troll or Habs fan. Ignore it.

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#41 Jeff In Lethbridge
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Manfly wrote:

Not me, Fake. My apologies, Jeff.

no worries...

Flames nation, unfortunately, brings with it one of the oddest people; he runs multiple accounts, uses others' names to commment, and with multiple accounts going simultaneously actually argues with himself... there isnt much we can do about him, so we just have to live with it. it is still embarassing when we at FN have the rest of the world exposed to our weird guy. this is very typical, par for the course stuff for him.

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#42 Jason
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Regardless of the order, I don't see any Canadian team in the west making the playoffs this season.

Regardless of which team sucks more, or has sucked longer, right now WE ALL SUCK!!!

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#43 Kent Wilson
August 01 2014, 12:06PM
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Let's chat about the articles that are linked and...

hahahaha just kidding. Everyone else sucks!

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#44 The Last Big Bear
August 01 2014, 03:15PM
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Oh yeah, and welcome back to the gutters, Vancouver fans. Just try not to light our cars on fire, Ok?

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#45 jonny94
August 01 2014, 03:43PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

One of my favorite things about the Oilers is how the organization and their fans keep talking about how they're "rebuilding properly", as if there's nothing more to this than being absolute garbage every year.

It is also a source of much joy to me when "The Detroit Model" is mentioned, because the Oilers can be counted on to do the opposite thing, literally the very exact linear opposite thing, in almost every possible way.

Gutting the team, putting teenagers immediately into key roles, trading everyone over 30, getting new coaches with new systems every year or two, never having top prospects spend time in any development league, never starting their top prospects in depth roles, they literally do the exact opposite of everything that comprises the Detroit Model.

But things are totally different now! Everyone in the top-9 over the age of 26 has been traded, a teenage Leon Draisaitl is about to ge plugged straight into the top of the roster, the 5th coach in 6 years stands a very good chance of getting fired halfway through the season if things don't go well... Yep, it's almost like Scotty Bowman himself wrote this script.

I know, I know, Darnell Nurse was sent back to juniors. Clearly it's a new era. Maybe we should just restart the rebuild clock again, and Lowe can say "Hey, are you getting impatient already after only 1 year of rebuilding?"

And I love how Flames fans for some reason feel like they are a lot better then the Oilers despite the fact they have missed the playoffs 6 years and counting.

I don't see the Flames making the playoffs for a few more seasons, and I see the Oilers making a push this season finally and passing on the torch to Calgary for being the leading team missing the playoffs.

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#46 The Last Big Bear
August 01 2014, 03:44PM
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vetinari wrote:

You think that this is news or that fans have had anything to do with it? Your comments are absolutely tame compared to some of the criticism levied by Oiler fans against Oiler management and ownership... heck, I've seen the Rexall DJ get eviscerated on the OilerNation boards and he's on the team payroll!

That's why I didn't even bother with a dig against the Leafs.

I can't come up with anything worse to say than a simple narrative of their team's history.

Edited to add: What's with all the hate against Cotton-Eye Joe? I *love* that tune!

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#47 Privateeye
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jonny94 wrote:

And I was in the building when I watched half of the Saddledome leave the game at the start of the 3rd period when the Oilers doused the Flames 8-2 when all you could hear was chanting of "Lets Go Oilers."

Whats your point? Both teams suck and both teams have humiliated each other in their own building and I'm sure theres more of that to come for both teams. The difference here is that the Oilers are further into their rebuild (which is embarrassing that its still going and I'll admit that) however its funny how you mock the management yet Feaster commented about how the Oilers were wandering in the desert when eventually the Calgary Flames did exactly what the Oilers did 2 years earlier. Rebuild. You guys are in year 2 of your rebuild and we're in year 4. I have a hard time believing the Flames will make the playoffs in year 4 of their playoffs.

Also you guys have thrown just as many youngsters in to the league as the Oilers. Baertschi, Reinhart, Monahan, and now Sam Bennett is an obvious starter.

Can we be friends?

Take it easy on Big Bear, he's had a tough day by the sounds of it.

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#48 Ben Dover
August 01 2014, 04:18PM
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Just wondering if I am the only one that is reading a few rumour sites saying there may be Side Negotiations trying to get PK Subban to play for the Leafs.?? Also says Plekanec and a first like McCarron along with Leaf's players Kessel Morgan Rielly and Nylander in the mix..Emonton said to be a third team with RarrylNurse and Jordan Eberle moving..

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#49 A rye morning
August 01 2014, 04:25PM
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@A rye morning

Get your own screen name you impostor.

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#50 MatsSundin#13
August 01 2014, 04:36PM
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I personally love the strong Western Canada rivalries that dominate these weekly round-ups, and of course we have the Leafs fans (myself included) putting in their obligatory jabs against the other teams; but where are the Sens/Jets/Habs fans in all of this?

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