PTSD: Post Traumatic Sutter Disorder

Christian Roatis
August 19 2014 01:30PM

An anxiety appears to have been building in Calgary regarding the Flames' new management team and their seemingly undying thirst for size and toughness. The debate seems to ignite itself on the majority of message board and article comment section, regardless the topic of the original post.

Brian Burke, the proud father of 'truculence', and Brad Treliving, a man who appears to be an apostle of the Truculence & Belligerence™ manuscript, have already gained themselves a whole barn of haters and picketers, lurking on the world wide web, eager to spread the word of how stupid "BB" and "BT" (their new designations, apparently) are.

As mentioned, the root of all this anger lies in the cry for size and toughness by Brian Burke, and echoed by Brad Treliving and his staff. Something about Burkie calling the third shortest and lightest team in the NHL last season "soft," irked the fan base. How dare he want to beef up a roster with an average weight under 200 (as of opening night last season). Fact is, that's just not good enough in today's NHL. I understand the value of speed and skill, but completely disregarding size in favour of those two attributes alone only make a successful hockey team in NHL 14. Puck battles are often like an arm wrestling match, you can only do so much with skill and technique until raw strength overcomes, and if you're losing puck battles, you're not getting the puck.

And without the puck, all your speed and skill goes to waste like a shiny new super car with nowhere to roam. As our own Byron Baderdisplayed here, being big and heavy does make a difference. Heck, the defending Stanley Cup champs, who won with an almost identical roster in 2012 too, were one of the tallest teams in the NHL, and the standalone heaviest. Did that mean they were slow and dried up of any skill? Absolutely not. You could argue the impact, or lack thereof, of being big in the regular season, but in a seven game playoff series, the argument practically wins itself. With the amount of parity in today's game, the ability to wear down an opponent is a priceless advantage.

So then, why do so many fear the idea of adding size and getting bigger? Why is the population of Antiburke's (the official, super cool, name of the Burke hater clan) and Sizeaphobes ever growing?

The answer I've arrived at: PTSD. Post Traumatic Sutter Disorder.

PTSD is psychological ailment some Flames fans, specifically the Anti-Burke population, still struggle with in their day-to-day, Flame fan lives. The random idiocy Flames fans were subjected to under Sutter still lingers in their everyday sports fan lives. Like a puppy rescued from an abusive situation, they cower and are deathly frightened by things, in this situation terms, they associate with their past; things that caused them pain. During the Sutter regime (I'm making it sound like some sort of brutal, oppressive dictatorship), that "thing" that cause Flames fans pain, was the blind mandate for size. Size, size, size. That's all we heard about and all the team did. They drafted big, they signed big and they traded big. Any other hockey skills and/or ability didn't seem to matter as long as the person(s) in question were blessed with stature and scale breaking ability. Being really old and out of your prime was a big bonus too.

After Sutter, Jay Feaster gobbled up this directive and instilled his own - centered around hockey IQ, speed and skill. Obviously, the fans loved it. Sven Baertschi, the first Feaster pick, was (unfairly) crowned the "second coming" and the solution to all of the Flames' problems. After almost a decade of drafting big, Alberta boys, you can't blame everyone for getting excited over the diminutive, hyper skilled European.

The problem was however, Feaster zoomed all the way to the other side of the spectrum, now seemingly ignoring - albeit not completely - size and building team only with players that had good hockey IQ, speed and skill. For a while that was fine, as it evened the scales - so to speak - in the organization and gave it a good blend of players over, and under, six foot.

However, when Brian Burke filled his new role as President of Hockey Operations, the organization found itself shifted to an uncharted territory of the spectrum. They had plenty of players with a lot of skill, both on the roster and in the system, but not a lot of it could reach the cookie jar on the top shelf. They were getting pushed around and admit it, was pissing off the fans just as much as it pissed off management. Brian Burke and Brad Treliving have gone about changing this reality. Obviously, the game plan is centered around acquiring big bodied presences, but not those who aren't worth a damn in any other aspect of the game. No more "coke machines", so to speak.

You may read this, glance at the Flames' summer acquisitions and scoff, but from what I've been able to gather, Brandon Bollig is a fourth liner who can actually play, and Deryk Engellend is... well ... ah forget it. I have no idea what to say to that one. Although, maybe we'll find out he can actually play the ice hockey rather proficiently come October? Or maybe not. David Wolf by all accounts is a skilled fridge, which is always fun. Kind of reminds me of Dwight King in LA, who's a player most would like on their teams.

Even the draft showed us that although size is the new mandate, "Sutter" style size is a thing of the past. Hunter Smith showed pretty well in Dev Camp, at the very least showing he can play. He'll likely be on Oshawa's 1st line this coming season which will satisfy our thirst for those superficial goal and point totals. Brandon Hickey can flat out fly at 6'2 and Adam Ollas Mattsson is an up and coming rock on Sweden's National Junior blueline.

Sure, Burke and Treliving have reeled in a plethora of players with size, but they aren't just big players, they're big hockey players. It's a difference Sutter just couldn't comprehend, or care about, during his time here. "BB" and "BT" are building a winning team with a blueprint constructed around today's NHL and the way the game is played in 2014. Yeah you need speed and skill, but without size to complete the threesome, success will be harder to come by; see: Colorado Avalanche.

The men running this organization are extremely smart hockey individuals and if presented with an opportunity to make this team better, they will take it. Whether that opportunity stands 5'10 or 6'10. When the 2015 NHL Draft and it's glut of talent rolls around, I trust the Calgary Flames will select the Best Players Available, not the Tallest Players Available or Heaviest Players Available.

While it may be hard to see sometimes with PTSD screwing with your head, this team is headed in the right direction and the influx of size isn't necessarily a sign of things to come, rather a balancing of the scale in the organization. After all, greatness is achieved in equilibrium.

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Christian Roatis is a European by birth, Calgarian by heart. Other than writing at FlamesNation, he writes about and scouts NHL Draft Prospects at Future Considerations. Follow him on Twitter @CRoatis!
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#1 suba steve
August 19 2014, 01:57PM
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Well.....someone had to say it!

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#2 JaceofBase
August 19 2014, 02:12PM
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This is one of the best articles I've read here in a long time. Said exactly what I've been thinking. Well said.

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#3 leviflames
August 19 2014, 02:18PM
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Fantastic article, I agree completely. This site is far to pessamistic. Keep it up!

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#4 theCalgaryJames
August 19 2014, 02:20PM
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This is essentially the anti-lambert perspective

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#5 The Last Big Bear
August 19 2014, 02:21PM
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Mike Cammalleri, Daymond Langkow, Kristian Huselius, Alex Tanguay, Matthew Lombardi, Mikael Backlund, and I'm sure others, would all like to say "Hi".

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#6 beloch
August 19 2014, 03:09PM
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It's interesting to note that Burke/Treliving's biggest UFA signing this summer (Mason Raymond) is a wispy 185 lbs. They're clearly trying to bring in both size and skill. It's just not always easy to get both in the same package.

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#9 Tenbrucelees
August 19 2014, 03:18PM
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....but...Burke's hair ......it's not natural

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#10 Kent Wilson
August 19 2014, 03:22PM
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Burke is the guy who sold the farm for Phil Kessel, who isn't exactly big and mean. He also made a number of moves to grab the Sedins back in the day. Of course, he's also the guy who moved up in the draft to grab Tyler Biggs because "he's big and arrives in ill-temper", so the truth, as always, is somewhere in between.

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#11 Walter White
August 19 2014, 03:27PM
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That Sutter sucks; he will never accomplish anything in hockey.....!

WW

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#12 Jeremy
August 19 2014, 03:29PM
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I appreciate the direction the Flames are going. Size does matter . If the Flames were picking 8th this year does anyone not think that Treveling wouldn't have picked Nick Ritchie over Nylander or Ehlers, And for that matter do you think he'd be wrong to overlook the talented but small guys?

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#14 piscera.infada
August 19 2014, 03:33PM
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Walter White wrote:

That Sutter sucks; he will never accomplish anything in hockey.....!

WW

No one said he was a bad coach...

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#15 T&A4Flames
August 19 2014, 03:34PM
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"greatness is achieved in equilibrium."

I like this. I'm gonna' use it.

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#16 Kenta
August 19 2014, 03:35PM
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Interesting read. I'd say Sutter didn't draft for size as much as "leadership and heart" that preferably was from the prairies (and were consistently poor skaters for some reason). I'm also less convinced that the current brain trust will draft best player available next year given their post round one picks this year. In terms of immediate GM impact, BT has had a far less impressive start than Benning and Nill but who knows how much interference BB is running. Time will tell.

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#17 kittensandcookies
August 19 2014, 03:45PM
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@The Last Big Bear

Interesting that the first few were FA signings. Lombardi I'd call a borderline skill player (great speed, bad hands). Backlund was definitely a sea change for Sutter's drafting philosophy.

And of course there's TJ Brodie. :P

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#18 Koolmoedee
August 19 2014, 03:45PM
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Kent Wilson wrote:

Burke is the guy who sold the farm for Phil Kessel, who isn't exactly big and mean. He also made a number of moves to grab the Sedins back in the day. Of course, he's also the guy who moved up in the draft to grab Tyler Biggs because "he's big and arrives in ill-temper", so the truth, as always, is somewhere in between.

My worry isn't that the team will stock the roster with large kitchen appliances, but that the team will become Maple Leafs West.

Burke's stated impatience with the rebuild process has me concerned that the Flames will go from being an old, mediocre team to a young, mediocre team. The top priority right now should be drafting and developing young players. Any shortcuts taken to add a few more Ws short-term could be counterproductive in the long run. The Kessel trade, and the poor development of Luke Schenn are good examples.

Having another top-four pick this year would not be a bad thing either.

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#20 smith
August 19 2014, 04:21PM
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The desire for size does not concern me, but what does is the love affair with bad players because they are big. McGratton, Westgarth, Engelland are the current examples. For past ones please look at the Toronto Maple leaf's. If I saw some sort of recognition that the flames management were interested in good players rather than big tough ones I would be much more impressed.

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#21 The Last Big Bear
August 19 2014, 04:32PM
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Christian Roatis wrote:

Kris Chucko and Matt Pelech will be with you in a second.

Sutter was bad at drafting, period.

But there's nothing about his roster decisions that suggested he was obsessed with size. Yeah, he drafted big guys, but he also drafted Dustin Boyd, and he is the one who got the roster spot.

The centrepiece return of his most infamous trade was Matt Stajan.

The staple centremen of Sutter's teams were Conroy, Langkow, and Lombardi. The biggest move at centre was when he brought in a four time 30-goal-scorer who was one year removed from a 91 point season. It's pure delusion to say any of these guys was on the team solely for "stature and scale breaking ability".

Yes, he briefly had guys like Nolan and Bertuzzi on the team. Both were on cheap contracts, and both were let go to be replaced by players listed at 5'9" (Cammalleri and Dawes).

Bouwmeester was his biggest UFA signing. Stature and scale-breaking ability, with no regard for skill?

I'd say we've covered most of his biggest trades and biggest signings, and not one of them fits the narrative of acquiring size at the expense of skill.

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#22 Kent Wilson
August 19 2014, 04:48PM
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@Koolmoedee

That's fair.

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#23 Purple Hazze
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Koolmoedee wrote:

My worry isn't that the team will stock the roster with large kitchen appliances, but that the team will become Maple Leafs West.

Burke's stated impatience with the rebuild process has me concerned that the Flames will go from being an old, mediocre team to a young, mediocre team. The top priority right now should be drafting and developing young players. Any shortcuts taken to add a few more Ws short-term could be counterproductive in the long run. The Kessel trade, and the poor development of Luke Schenn are good examples.

Having another top-four pick this year would not be a bad thing either.

I'll admit that this was my biggest fear with these 2 running the show, that we would see some attempt at an acceleration of the rebuild. So far after their first off-season all signs point to them being patient and not rushing the rebuild.

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#24 piscera.infada
August 19 2014, 07:00PM
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I'll admit that this was my biggest fear with these 2 running the show, that we would see some attempt at an acceleration of the rebuild. So far after their first off-season all signs point to them being patient and not rushing the rebuild.

My thoughts exactly. I was in the same boat when Burke first came on board. Since Treliving was hired, I've heard nothing out of his mouth except "development takes time" and "making the team better if the opportunity presents itself".

Most of the "big players" that Burke is "fixated" with are nothing more than place holders. Sure, if this team's competitive, we may see a face puncher still on the roster, but that's hardly tantamount to stocking the team with players who can't play a shift. I see signings such as Wolf, Van Brabant, and Bollig as an attempt to find the elusive "functional toughness", but until those players are ready to work full-time in the big-league, it's not entirely surprising that some (expensive - cap floor, and all) placeholders for that role, are being kept around. Remember, none of them (except Engelland) are signed through 2016.

This is what good, competitive teams do. They drive competition for all roles, both in the NHL and on the farm. We can have the argument about size, truculence, belligerence, etc. ad nauseum, but we're really not coming out any further ahead. No matter how you feel about it, this organization believes toughness is an important role on a professional hockey team. However, if we can develop some of that ever elusive "good" toughness, or toughness with skill, we'll be laughing.

I've yet to see a move that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this organization has forsaken skill for anything.

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#25 Clyde
August 19 2014, 07:09PM
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Koolmoedee wrote:

My worry isn't that the team will stock the roster with large kitchen appliances, but that the team will become Maple Leafs West.

Burke's stated impatience with the rebuild process has me concerned that the Flames will go from being an old, mediocre team to a young, mediocre team. The top priority right now should be drafting and developing young players. Any shortcuts taken to add a few more Ws short-term could be counterproductive in the long run. The Kessel trade, and the poor development of Luke Schenn are good examples.

Having another top-four pick this year would not be a bad thing either.

Only one player has more points over the past 3 years than Kessel. Schenn was flipped for JVR. That's two young impressive offensive players

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#26 The Last Big Bear
August 19 2014, 07:27PM
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Here's a list of every player that was on a Sutter Flames roster post-lockout with the intention of being either a top-4 defender or top-6 forward.

Count the number of guys who were there for size at the expense of skill... (I count 2):

Defencemen:

Phaneuf - Had 20 goals as a rookie, is an NHL captain

Hamrlik - former 1st overall pick

Regehr - Big, but also a Canadian Olympian, hard to say he had no skill

Ference - is an NHL captain

Giordano - is an NHL captain

Stuart - was awesome

Sarich - Our first contestant!!!

Bouwmeester - All-star, etc

White - not a superstar, but certainly not a bone crushed

OVERALL- Man, Sutter could build a ****ing DEFENCE.

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#27 The Last Big Bear
August 19 2014, 07:33PM
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Iginla - Olympian, All Star, etc

Langkow - under 6 ft

Huselius - LOL

Kobasew - 20 goal banger

Lombardi - not so much

Amonte - over the hill, but under 6ft

Tanguay - not a brawn over skill guy

Conroy - same

Primeau - WE HAVE #2!! Although its arguable whether he was ever really intended for a top-6 role, I suspect he was.

Lundmark - 6ft finesse player

Nolan - Over the hill, has size, maybe a candidate

Bertuzzi - Over the hill, has size, but was a skill player

Bourque - was had for a pick, and scored tons

Cammalleri - 5-foot-9

Jokinen - 91 point NHL captain

Glencross - good balance of brawn and skill

Dawes - midget

Stajan - under 6ft

Hagman - not small, but definitely a finesse player

Kotalik - maybe a size over skill player, but probably not intended that way

OVERALL: Well, I'll let you decide whether or not the blind pursuit of size and stature at the expense of everything else was something that actually happened, or whether it is a revisionist narrative that has been blown out of proportion with no basis in reality.

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#28 Parallex
August 19 2014, 08:22PM
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"Ference - is an NHL captain"

You forgot to put quote marks around NHL. ;)

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#29 mattyc
August 19 2014, 08:36PM
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I'm kinda late to the party here, but it's not size per se, it's weighting size over being good at hockey. I see warning flags when we sign essentially non-functional or replacement level players (like Derek Engelland), instead of a skilled hockey player. It just doesn't make sense to put someone like Kevin Westgarth in your line up because it makes you 'bigger'.

For instance, no ones arguing that size isn't one of the things that made Zdeno Chara, or Lucic, or Bertuzzi in his day, or whoever, great. But those players were also just very skilled players as well.

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#30 Rockmorton65
August 19 2014, 08:47PM
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Lets not forget too, that Treliving also tried to acquire BOTH the 7th and 12th overall picks in this past draft. You don't move assets for draft picks if you're "accelerating the rebuild". If they were looking to compete now, BT & co would be doing the opposite, I think.

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#31 ChinookArch
August 19 2014, 09:16PM
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In fairness to Feaster, while he drafted diminutive players his hit-rate had been very good and in 3 short years he did a great job in stocking the cupboards with bonafide prospects. Drafting for speed, skill and above all hockey IQ seems to have provided good results. Maybe it's a result born of other GM's looking for size, while Feaster was looking for value. Also, I never heard Feaster say he preferred small players over big ones, he just didn't shy away from small players. I'm not sure it's really fair criticizing Feasters results, or for drafting too many small players. At the end of the day, many of his draft choices have or will become assets.

All things being equal who wouldn't draft a bigger player, over a smaller one (too bad all things are rarely ever equal). Maybe Christian is right and some of BT's draft choices will be great acquisitions for the Flames. On the other hand, maybe it's back to the the (Sutter) future and the Flames will have nothing to show for drafting 'big'. Obviously, I want everyone of the Flames Draft Class of 2014 to make the show, I'm just a bit suspicious that outside Bennett, every other player is very big.

PS. I can't believe I just came to Feaster defence.

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#32 Kevin R
August 19 2014, 10:24PM
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The Last Big Bear wrote:

Iginla - Olympian, All Star, etc

Langkow - under 6 ft

Huselius - LOL

Kobasew - 20 goal banger

Lombardi - not so much

Amonte - over the hill, but under 6ft

Tanguay - not a brawn over skill guy

Conroy - same

Primeau - WE HAVE #2!! Although its arguable whether he was ever really intended for a top-6 role, I suspect he was.

Lundmark - 6ft finesse player

Nolan - Over the hill, has size, maybe a candidate

Bertuzzi - Over the hill, has size, but was a skill player

Bourque - was had for a pick, and scored tons

Cammalleri - 5-foot-9

Jokinen - 91 point NHL captain

Glencross - good balance of brawn and skill

Dawes - midget

Stajan - under 6ft

Hagman - not small, but definitely a finesse player

Kotalik - maybe a size over skill player, but probably not intended that way

OVERALL: Well, I'll let you decide whether or not the blind pursuit of size and stature at the expense of everything else was something that actually happened, or whether it is a revisionist narrative that has been blown out of proportion with no basis in reality.

Don't see Darren McCarty on your list.

I think the argument isn't about where the players ranked on the weight scales or how tall they were. My biggest beef with DS was he never moved assets to move up & get a higher talented young kid for the system, he always traded down. He rarely gave the young guys openings on the big team, kind of a "earn your stripes mentality" & buried them in the minors. Phaneuf was the first rookie that was literally allowed to crack the lineup in his draft year that I could remember & that was because his brother was so high on him. He always opted for paying old past prime players big bucks or he traded for themefore playing a rookie. There was no semblance of development & cultivating the farm system. A few of his draft picks turned out because, well heck, I could have drafted as well. Feaster changed that but he was skewing in a direction that would have been a big organizational weakness. Fortunately Feaster was here long enough & thanks to 3 1st rounders last in 2013, we are looking light years better.

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#33 clyde
August 19 2014, 10:27PM
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ChinookArch wrote:

In fairness to Feaster, while he drafted diminutive players his hit-rate had been very good and in 3 short years he did a great job in stocking the cupboards with bonafide prospects. Drafting for speed, skill and above all hockey IQ seems to have provided good results. Maybe it's a result born of other GM's looking for size, while Feaster was looking for value. Also, I never heard Feaster say he preferred small players over big ones, he just didn't shy away from small players. I'm not sure it's really fair criticizing Feasters results, or for drafting too many small players. At the end of the day, many of his draft choices have or will become assets.

All things being equal who wouldn't draft a bigger player, over a smaller one (too bad all things are rarely ever equal). Maybe Christian is right and some of BT's draft choices will be great acquisitions for the Flames. On the other hand, maybe it's back to the the (Sutter) future and the Flames will have nothing to show for drafting 'big'. Obviously, I want everyone of the Flames Draft Class of 2014 to make the show, I'm just a bit suspicious that outside Bennett, every other player is very big.

PS. I can't believe I just came to Feaster defence.

Name all his draft choices currently contributing. I hope and think a few will but let's not get too excited too soon. Monahan doesn't count. lol

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#34 The Last Big Bear
August 19 2014, 10:34PM
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@Kevin R

Darren McCarty was a 4th line grinder. There was never any pretense of him being an impact or top-6 player.

Otherwise your points are pretty much valid.

(Although to be fair to McCarty on the "Grit vs Skill" debate, McCarty led the OHL in scoring, and once potted a playoff hat trick against Patrick Roy. He wasn't your typical goon).

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#35 Baalzamon
August 19 2014, 11:00PM
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...outside Bennett, every other player is very big.

Well most of them, but Brandon Hickey is only about TJ Brodie's size, isn't he? He's generally listed at either 6'1" or 6'2", and ~175 pounds.

Mediocre results aside, I think it's safe to say Hickey wasn't drafted because of his size. Probably his skating more than anything else.

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#36 Greg
August 20 2014, 06:40AM
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It's not the fixation with size that concerns me. You need some of that.

It's the apparent disregard of advanced analytics that makes me concerned. That's what makes me fear a return to the Sutter "I know better than all of you" era.

Hopefully it's just a public ruse to cover up how much of it they actually do behind closed doors... Although that Engelland signing would indicate otherwise.

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#37 backburner
August 20 2014, 08:43AM
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I think the PTSD has more to do with trading away picks and prospects for older established players.. Patching up the holes in the roster in the hopes that the "Core" would lead us to the promised land. Sutter was blindly convinced those kind of changes would eventually bring us back to the top again, but that had just as much to do with Management as it was Sutter. They were dealing with PTYGD (Post Traumatic Young Guns Disorder).

The truth is Sutter and Burke both know the game very well and what it takes to win. Doesn't mean they haven't made some bad trades, but people shouldn't be threatened by the terms "Size" and "Truculence", they are ingredients to a winning team just as much as "Speed" and "Skill" are.

A good player is a good player. I don't think anyone here has to worry the BT will trade Gaudreau for John Scott anytime soon..

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#38 Parallex
August 20 2014, 01:23PM
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"people shouldn't be threatened by the terms "Size" and "Truculence", they are ingredients to a winning team just as much as "Speed" and "Skill" are"

Sure but to use your ingredient metaphor Speed and Skill are like a steak while the other stuff is like seasoning... I can eat a steak without any seasoning but I can't eat seasoning without any steak and I don't trust Burke not to ruin the cut with too much salt.

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#39 dean the raven
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smith wrote:

The desire for size does not concern me, but what does is the love affair with bad players because they are big. McGratton, Westgarth, Engelland are the current examples. For past ones please look at the Toronto Maple leaf's. If I saw some sort of recognition that the flames management were interested in good players rather than big tough ones I would be much more impressed.

The point is, to tank without appearing to be doing it intentionally. It would be too easy to stock up on mediocre FA players and squeak into the playoffs, only to be bounced early, year after year. But that doesn't win cups. Drafting well is easier if you finish well behind the pack for a season or three. Developing a top 5 pick (or ideally a few) is almost always better than trading and overpaying for FAs.

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#40 everton fc
August 20 2014, 05:00PM
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How much influence has Darryl had on the roster moves in L.A.? He's won two Cups there. And we've been really poor since he left.

I'm not the most anti-Darryl fan on the board here. Some panic-attacks and bad moves near the end, some poor drafting...

Wonder what would have happened if Keenan were given one more year. And I never liked Keenan.

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#41 Parallex
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everton fc wrote:

How much influence has Darryl had on the roster moves in L.A.? He's won two Cups there. And we've been really poor since he left.

I'm not the most anti-Darryl fan on the board here. Some panic-attacks and bad moves near the end, some poor drafting...

Wonder what would have happened if Keenan were given one more year. And I never liked Keenan.

We were really poor when he left not since he left. A bunch of toxic contracts, well past their "best before date" core, mediocre coaching. Feaster basically spent the entire tenure he was here painfully cleaning up Sutter's mess.

In regards to what would have happened if Keenan were given one more year... hard to say. If we assume Sutter makes the same offseason moves we have better blueliners but worse forwards... Keenan played a fairly offensive style so maybe that combined with Kipper having one of his Good Kipper years balances things out and we score more goals. We're still a bubble team that year probably missing out but I think the Phaneaf/Jokinen trades for the motly collection of former 20 goal scorers don't happen and it's impossible to project what happens after that.

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#42 Danny Lawson
August 21 2014, 07:22PM
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@Purple Hazze

I don't know what it is but Burke is reminding me more and more of Abraham Simpson with each photo published.

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#43 Stack Pad Save
August 24 2014, 08:22AM
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I can totally see it 4 years from now. Post Traumatic Burke Disorder or PTBD (kinda sounds like an STI). Just like in Toronto as before fans are going to be looking around and see a top line with at least 2 grinders on it and shake their heads. They will see a a 2nd line with 3 players who have loads and loads of truculence. But all Burke will talk about is how much Size and Grit his 3rd and 4th lines have.

Good luck Flames fans. As an Oilers fan, I was so happy that Burke was hired to replace Feaster. Enough said.

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