Hagman on Waivers

As per TSN’s Bob McKenzie, the Flames have placed Niklas Hagman on waivers. Clearing cap space for another acquisition? Stay tuned.


  • BobB

    Geez, how far has his stock dropped. You’d think with three straight 20 goal seasons that be worth something to someone.

    Plus I liked that he gave Mickis someone skilled to play with instead of just the muckers.

  • I’m assuming there’s a taker in mind for Hagman, because I can’t see them sending him down. Hard to believe they couldn’t even find someone to give up a draft pick for him.

    I was so-so on the Phaneuf deal when it was made, but it’s basically a disaster at this point.

    • I still believe the Phaneuf trade isn’t a disaster. What has Phaneuf done in Toronto? Nothing. Basically with all changes, including Hagman, since the deal it ends up like this:

      Toronto: Dion Phaneuf, Freddie Sjostrom and Keith Aulie

      Calgary: Matt Stajan, Anton Babchuk and Tom Kostopoulos

      Babchuk has more points than Phaneuf, I’d take Kostopoulos over Sjostrom and unless Aulie ends up being a great prospect, I don’t mind the deal

        • BobB

          It’s true that moving Phaneuf’s contract was a boon.

          That isn’t necessarily true. A player of that calibre cannot be subject to a ‘salary dump strategy’

          I’d take one Dion at 25? or 26? over Sarich and Staois ten times out of ten.

          • BobB

            Sure, but that’s not apples and apples.

            You’re leaving a hole. Sutter may have blown the Dion deal, (which really should have been getting rid of Sarich at any cost) but he was smart to go out and get Babchuk, a good sixth/seventh defender

            However, Babs is not a top 4 defender and likely never will be. Dion was. Even IF Dion was a drastically over-paid 4th man, and couldn’t reach his potential…ever, he’s still better than Sarich our current 4th. Add Staois, a drastically overpaid 8th man and their money almost evens out (Dion vs Steve and Cory).

            Dealing Dion led to us getting Staois… at that point, the Phaneuf deal was completely non-sensical.

            Unless he truly was some terrible cancer… but..

          • Well, sure, the fact that the money can be worst spent is not proof that it was well spent in Dion’s case.

            He’s not a $6.5M defender Lawrence. I think his offensive struggles are exaggerated by some bad luck in TOR, but he’s firmly on Jovo path at this point.

          • BobB

            I’m not saying that it is.

            I’m just saying that Dion on the second pairing and overpaid is a risk worth taking in my opinion against his skillset, potential and age.

            MORESO than

            Overpaying both an aging 4th man (who’s only there by necessity) and an over-the-hill 8th man.(who was brought in, in part because of the Dion hole)

            All teams have guys not playing at value. Dion can crush second pairing competition. He’d never have played at value at that contract… even if he had become who we all thought he would.

            There is no 25 year old defender in the league who is a 6.5 million dollar value defender. Overpay was part and parcel when we signed that deal. That still doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be a great second pairing defender to have on this team today vs Sarich and Staois.

            As for Babchuk, that’s not apples to apples. Babs will never be a second pairing guy. He’s a very good 6th/7th/8th man.

            If anyone is telling me that they wouldn’t swap Sarich and Staois for Dion at any point until today, if they could… I’d be surprised. Even if your end goal was to spin Dion off to another locale again. He’s an asset, Sarich barely is, and Staois is not. Sure, now it’s been time and Staois is almost off the books, but it shouldn’t have got to this.

          • mikeecho

            Sarich and Phaneuf are pretty much equals in terms of goals, assists, hits, PIM.

            I’m sure someone will look at the underlying numbers and compare, but Sarich is half price and not a d-bag like a topped out 25/26 year old Dion.

          • RCN

            Agreed. Over at ON I actually said it already stings. I don’t understand that at all. Aulie seems like a total Darryl-type – 6’7″ prairie kid that pulled his Dad out of a dugout and saved his life. I was shocked he was part of the deal. When heard Phaneuf & Aulie, I assumed we were getting Schenn. Le sigh.

    • wattree

      At this point if you remove Phaneuf from the trade, it’s starting to look like the return wasn’t enough for Aulie and Sjostrom.

      Course the way Dion is playing, it’s about even since we got his salary off the books.

  • you’d have to really dig down to find 2 guys who have fallen faster than Hagman and Stajan. Both could be had for nothing right now.

    That being said I don’t know of any team that would take Dion and his contract right now. Last January probably a different story.

    • SmellOfVictory

      Or the summer prior would’ve been even better. As soon as JBo was signed, Phaneuf should’ve been traded (would also have allowed for the signing of Cammalleri).

  • BobB

    Damn. Well… this is surprising. I’m holding my breath for what Feaster is working on, and fear it’s not going to be good.

    1st line centre to play with Iginla?

    Well, the Phaneuf deal was an unmitigated disaster.

    Can we trade Stajan too?

    I will say, I do like Babchuk for the money.

  • otto

    I know I’m in the DRAMATIC minority, but I think Stajan hasn’t been that bad the last couple months are so. In my opinion his defensive zone play has improved and he has been a decent penalty killer. That’s not what they brought him in for but at least he’s somewhat contributing in that department. He’s not worth his contract though

  • everton fc

    Hagman on waivers means no takers. Not good.

    What do they do if he clears? You can’t assign him to Abby – can you?

    Could Feaster be creating cap space to re-sign Glencross? We should also re-sign Babchuk. The coaching staff has done an incredible job w/these two.

    Could it be possible Glencross takes a local discount? He did say he was happy, and “having fun” in a recent interview this weekend. ???

    Stajan will be okay, I think, though grossly over-paid as long as he’s here. He’ll produce slightly below his #’s in Toronto. 40-50 points, methinks. Not good for 3.5mill/season, but who’s going to take him?

    I wonder if Feaster is trying to land Weiss to centre Tanguay and Iginla? And what then happens to Backlund? Does he become trade bait??

    Or… do we land a good defenceman… with Pardy on the shelf, perhaps long-term… We need someone back there w/Babchuk. Sarich could go there… and we could sign someone to partner Gio.

    Exciting stuff, indeed. We are winning, and now making a move – Feaster’s first. Hope something happens today.

    I’d still take Frolik for Pardy! And I still like Chris Neil on this team.

  • Jarom

    Hagman goes on waivers, and what happens if he doesn’t get scooped? There can’t be too many teams salivating to get a 3/4th line guy who isn’t producing. Would sending him to the Heat be so bad? Give another one of the kids a chance to play with the big club again. I enjoyed Bouma’s play while he was up.

    • everton fc

      If Hagman doesn’t get scooped… He probably stay on the fourth line

      Perhaps it will wake him up? I dump his salary for a 3rd round pick, at this stage….

  • thymebalm

    JF:

    Can’t see how management, with no pressure on how to deploy players, should be blamed for Hagman’s poor point accumulation.

    Sutter probably shouldn’t be to blame either. Hag’s was given shifts with every different line combo this year.

    Sometimes it just doesn’t work out in some cities. Hagman needs top-6 minutes to be successful, but hasn’t earned them over glencross, moss and jokinen.

    Feaster is still mopping up after Darryl’s departure, and at this point, it looks like he has a trade firmly hidden up his sleeve.

  • It’s possible that teams may be waiting to claim him on re-entry waivers and only pay half his salary.

    Though, being required to pay $1.5M for the next two seasons for Hagman to burn it up elsewhere would be terrible for our cap.

  • …I think the Pens really won on their deal with Dallas.

    …if Hagman and Kotalik were both put on waivers and there is no impending trade I am confused. You can never have too much depth, even if it is high priced depth.

    …just watch, the Flames have been injury free for the better part of the season. A couple forwards get hurt and we wish we had Hagman and Kotalik (although it looks like Kotalik will not be claimed, but you never know, he might be on re-entry waivers if Feaster ever decided to call him back up and I am sure Hagman will be claimed either on waivers or re-entry waivers if we decide to call him back up because of injuries). Just makes no sense at this point if there isn’t a trade lined up.

  • CP is GARBAGE

    …I know Versteeg is 25ish and Hagman and Kotalik are 30ish, but IMO Versteeg doesn’t bring anything more to an offense than the two aforementioned (former?) Flames do. Burkey really stole one from the Flyers.

    …there are a handfull of teams that could use Hagman.

  • Oyo

    The only way this makes sense is if another team has expressed interest in picking him up and they have another deal in the works.

    If they have a deal ready and he clears waivers they probably won’t assign another 3-million dollar player to the AHL.

    If he gets picked up and they don’t have a deal ready then they are losing a depth player for nothing.

    Matchstick is speculating Vinny. That only makes sense if the rumblings that Richards wants to play in Tampa is true. If that is true it does make sense, especially with Feaster as GM. Hate the contract though.

    http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2011/2/21/2006421/is-vinny-calgary-bound

    I have also heard internet rumblings about Huselius wanting to come back to Calgary.

    We already had cap space with Kotalik gone meaning this has to be to prepare for a pretty big salary.

      • wattree

        I agree. But at least his contract is structured in such a way that at 37 years old you can trade him to a team that is concerned about salary but not cap. Or if he won’t waive his NTC then you can still put him on waivers to have him picked up, put to the AHL, or retire.

        He should be effective until 35 or so. That only gives you a couple of seasons of significant overpayment.

        I would be curious to see how he performed with a player like Iginla. Not my first choice for a player, but I am curious.

        • RCN

          Lecavalier has a NMC… meaning you couldn’t waive him or bury him in the minors. His contract is structured so he would likely retire before the final 2 years, meaning it would be a 7 year commitment to a player that is never going to be fair value. And I’m one of the few who actualy likes Vinny; even desired him in a Phanuef deal. But that was over a year ago, and Kent and MANY others have convinced me that he isn’t the player he was ever made out to be. Honestly, my heart would love to see Vinny in a Flames jersey, but my brain just isn’t that stupid (fortunately, for me). However, if I could have him at 4 years for $5M per, my heart would win out.

          • RCN

            My mistake. I though Vinny had a NTC, not a NMC. You are correct. That said I think that Vinny and Iggy on a line together could be pretty spectacular.

            It is a big risk. There is no doubt in that. But there is a pretty short list of alternatives if you buy into the argument that you need an elite centre (which all recent cup winners and serious contendor’s have had). At least if Feaster is serious about building around the existing core.

            Spezza – similar situation to Vinny but with less upside but only a 4-year commitment, plus probably not in reach. Richards – probably not in reach. Stasny – probably not available or in reach. Who else is there?

            Morrison on the top line doesn’t really cut it. Especially if you are going up against Sedin, Datsyuk, Thorton, Kopitar, Toews, Richards, or Getzlaf in the playoffs. And that doesn’t even consider the East.

          • CitizenFlame

            I am no expert, but even Eklund is saying there isn’t much to it (though maybe that makes it more true). Probably just further speculation following the last major trade. If he was to be moved I would guess it wouldn’t be within the division, but who knows.

            Would be sweet though.

          • CitizenFlame

            When I heard it I thought it was absurd. But then they just traded Stewart too. Colorado seems to be in dissaray right now.

            As for the Flames getting him, I doubt that they would trade him within the division, and even if they were willing I can’t see Calgary having anything to trade outside of a first rounder/Backlund and some spare parts.

          • CitizenFlame

            When I heard it I thought it was absurd. But then they just traded Stewart too. Colorado seems to be in dissaray right now.

            As for the Flames getting him, I doubt that they would trade him within the division, and even if they were willing I can’t see Calgary having anything to trade outside of a first rounder/Backlund and some spare parts.

  • Oyo

    is everyone forgetting that maybe he is just getting some salary off the books cuz he would be completely effed come off season if he didnt??

    players that need resigning are
    Glen x
    Babchuk
    Tangs

    Other ufas are

    Staois (though who cares)
    Morrison
    Pardy
    Karlsson

    thats 7 players which makes a big dent in this teams make up. two are from our top line this year. and as off right now we only have right around 6 million to work with. feaster is doing best he can to do anything with the contract gongshow he was left.

    let him do his thing and see where itll go.

    id love to see hagman and stajan go and bring in #1 center but id also love christmas in the summer.

    fun times are coming. i dont expect a trade but wouldnt be surprised if 1 happened. i think the off season is where major moves will be made.

    • RCN

      If no one claims Hagman, then he’ll still be on the books come summer. So they don’t need to waive him to get anyone re-signed (aside from the fact that IF someone does claim him, it will open up space). For that reason, one would suspect there must be a deal coming. Whether there’s one already being worked on, or this was just a move to create the space to make a move, I don’t know. But I would think you wouldn’t risk losing depth unless you had something in your pocket. We’ll see…

  • RCN

    Be reminded…if you sign a player like Girodanao or a UFA like Glencross the salary does not apply to this years cap as his new salary takes effect next year. Any move Feaster makes with Hagman would be to add salary this year potentially for new players either by trade of someone like a Ryan Stone or Lance Bouma from Abotsford.

  • Oyo

    I don’t want to write this because I don’t want it to happen but, what if the Flames are making room for a veteran D man. And by that veteran D man I am thinking Souray!? Lord help us!

  • wattree

    If feaster gets lecavalier, Please remove the interm title from his name, and the GM part while your at it Ken King. What a disaster signing that would be.