Flames Trade Tim Erixon

 

 

According to Jesse Spector, the Flames have traded Tim Erixon to the New York Rangers for Roman Horak and two second round picks. Flames also sent a 5th rounder to the Rangers in the deal.

Horak is a former 5th round pick who scored 78 points in the WHL last year for the Chilliwack Bruins. He was second on the team in scoring behind Ryan Howse.

Analysis and reactions later…

  • So basically, Erixon thought the org was a joke. He sees the writing on the wall, just like the rest of us do. He used his leverage to move to a better situation and frankly was smart to do so.

    The Flames dug their own grave by signing veteran depth players rather than encouraging guys to get promoted from Abby. They basically said to their prospects “good luck trying to make the squad”.

    Feaster can blame that on Darryl, but he better fix it moving forward, and in a hurry.

  • SmellOfVictory

    I guess I can’t blame Erixon for wanting to play elsewhere. I really do think thus falls on Flames management for waiting this long to make a trade. I have o think that his value would be at least a mid first rounder to most teams, and possibly even an early one after his performance this year.

    • This is pretty much my take. SOV doesn’t seem to have as much venom in it that I seem to be holding. I am blown away at the nochalant attitude that Feaster has about this. He was basically joking as he announced the reasons he failed.

      “As I said to Connie afterward, that’s a long way to go for lunch, albeit a tasty lunch, but still a long way to go for lunch,” Feaster joked.

      And how do you fire a guy you just hired?? You don’t. That would make us even more of a joke.

      • SmellOfVictory

        Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I’ve also read elsewhere that it was well-known that Erixon wanted to play for the Rangers prior to the 09 draft, which is something that should’ve been taken into consideration (at the very least, during these negotiations, if not the draft itself).

  • Michael

    This is an ugly – and frankly long overdue – wakeup call for the Flames. I haven’t heard Feaster’s comments but if Kent’s earlier post is accurate (and no reason to believe otherwise) then Erixon has made a reasoned decision to leave due to historical mismanagement of young players (not to mention the gong show of the past 18 mo). If it was my career I can’t say I’d see it differently. One wonders Backlund’s take on this situation…

    The good news is that over time the Flames can correct the issues that led to this debacle…it’s still within their control. Consider the lifestyle perception stuff that Tambellini’s up against in Edmonton, and realize that it could be worse.

    Next few months will be very interesting…

  • Michael

    seems to me that erixsons reasons for snubbing the flames were well know to everyone but dutter. isnt part of the scouting process interveiwing the player. perhaps the director f player development dutter 2.0 should have seen this one coming.

  • Jarom

    Kids that havn’t played a sniff in the NHL shouldn’t expect to be given big minutes and guarantees.

    Erixon should have taken the contract offered and played. He forced the situation and we got screwed. It’s a slap in the face to the organization and to us fans. Screw him and his agent.

  • Jarom

    i don’t know what you guys are so upset about. you just aquired the set up man for ryan howse in chilliwack. anybody knows a guy who scores just over a point a game in his 20 year old major junior season is a legit prospect….uh huh. him and howse (major league hands, minor league feet) can anchor abbotsford for years. maybe with those two mid round 2nd’s you can net a return such as martin marincin and curtis hamilton….in a draft that is thought to fall off considerably after the first 40 guys. nice return for a future first pair defencemen. well done.

  • Willi P

    OK, big deal. The guy (Erixon) wanted to play for the NYR’s. Sather obviously knew this and offered the best deal out there. The Flames get two seconds and a prospect (low level but second in scoring on the team). They still have decent defensive prospects and should focus on offensive draft picks. Get over it, sh** happens. Draft players that fill the holes and that will want to play in Calgary (most NA kids) not always the best next available player (in the draft) moving from the cold climate in Sweden or the screwed up situation in Russia.

  • What i was thinking on the situation is this: this goes down to bad scouting once again. When you are at the combine, and draft, youre interviewing players, getting their feeling whether they would sign with you. You ONLY draft a player in two situations: 1. He fits your needs and/or 2. is the best player available. If you feel there is a chance at all he wont sign him, you only draft him if u know you can flip him for something. Obviously the flames have bad scouting, and thought they could sign him when it became obvious they couldnt. I blame Sutter because he never saw this, and had a year and a half to do something. I blame the Erixon camp for not being straight up with the Flames and I blame Fester because, he’s startign to prove he’s clueless, should have taken it on himself to get the job done, either via trade or sign. People say he’s a great communicator, well this proves hes not. The hiring of Feaster will haunt this organization for years.

    • CitizenFlame

      “What i was thinking on the situation is this: this goes down to bad scouting once again. When you are at the combine, and draft, youre interviewing players, getting their feeling whether they would sign with you. You ONLY draft a player in two situations: 1. He fits your needs and/or 2. is the best player available. If you feel there is a chance at all he wont sign him, you only draft him if u know you can flip him for something. Obviously the flames have bad scouting, and thought they could sign him when it became obvious they couldnt.”

      Or the kid made every indication that he was excited at getting drafted by the Flames. Everybody wants to chalk it up to poor management and poor drafting. How many games has this kid played in the NHL? 0. Yet he was basically demanding a top 4 roster spot? Get real. Earn it. To me it looks like he was afraid to earn a spot.

      Though, now the perception is out there and the Flames are going to have a hard time fighting the stigma.

    • Resident Oddball

      Tough to put the failure to get him signed on Feaster…the Flames gave away all of their leverage when they failed to get Erixon locked up prior to the 2010-2011 season. I do agree that they could have given this more attention earlier in the year and improves on the return…if any of this “interim GM” silliness was a barrier to getting the work done then I think fans have a legitimate reason to be furious with the organization

      Honestly, once it was clear that Erixon would not have a real crack at an NHL roster spot, what incentive did He have to stay with the organization? “Loyalty to the team that drafted you” is foolish…it’s not like somebody from the Flames scouting org discovered him in the mean streets of a Swedish ghetto, this kid was a world class hockey prospect.

      Would it have killed us to sign him to an ELC in 2010 with the option to play in Europe if he didn’t make the team? For all I know the Flames may have made an honest attempt to negotiate a year ago, but the ridiculous power-play that nearly cost us Giordano leads me to suspect that Erixon was also given the my-way-or-the-highway treatment. Furthermore, if they did try to sign him in 2010, they obviously failed and proceeded to sit on their thumbs for a year.

      I know a lot of folks are choked at Erixon but the way I look at it is: whether or not you agree with how Erixon went about his business, shame on the Flames for having been so badly outmaneuvered by the Erixon camp.

  • Willi P

    If what Feaster said about what Erixon thought about this Organization is true, than good on Erixon for getting out while he is still young and hasn’t been bumbled around between AHL and NHL and being a healthy scratch. Players have to look out for their own careers and find some where that will work best for them.

    If its true that he was only ever gonna play for the Rags and he wanted nothing to do with the Flames and his Dad seemed to have something to do with the Rangers, than **** him and I hope his career sucks. If you never intend to play with the team that drafts you, tell them, work out a deal where you want to go thats fair and not this trade me or you get nothing out of the draft crap. Because its very suspicious the Rags come out of nowhere in the 25th hour with a deal ready to go for him and just give up an extra second round pick to ensure he doesn’t get drafted elsewhere.

  • I think we can all agree that this is a no win situation for the flames. We can all say what we want about erixon but the facts are he is a ranger now … the major question that has to be asked now is “what next?”

    I used to have a little bit of pride and confidence in the defence that we were bringing up in our system. Are D prospects are running pretty thin now … I think it’ll be tougher to justify moving regher now, for that matter it’ll be interesting to see if they move ANY D. I wonder if they will draft a defensmen now.

    I think this upcoming year is going to look a lot like last year. It’ll be almost impossible/impractical to move anyone. hopefully with good coaching (which I think we have) we’ll be able to make a push but I can’t see a radically different team showing up next year.

  • DieHard

    Calgary is going through a cycle right now. All vets, no room for rookies. If the Flames were in re-build mode or even a normal cycle where rookies were expected or appreciated Erixson would have signed last year. He saw a lost cause which is what Calgary will be for the next 1/2 decade. They need youth and good youth and that comes with top 10 picks for 2 to 4 years and then a few more to mature. Good luck Flames. Go Oliers.

  • Greg

    On the trade itself, I think it was as good as could be expected. There was no chance the flames were getting a first round pick for erixon, they had no leverage to negotiate with. It’s not like they could threaten “give us a first, or we’ll hold on to him”. Every team new they only had to beat the 2nd rounder they would get otherwise. Unless they got a bidding war going, they weren’t going to do much better, and even then, no team would give up an early first round pick for a guy they could probably draft with that pick instead, especially when there’s a chance they could do better (you never know when a cam fowler is going to drop all the way to #12). Erixon isn’t exactly a can’t miss prospect yet either, according to bob mckenzie some teams still had him pegged as a 2nd rounder. I was merely hoping they’d get a 2nd and another depth pick, so to get 2 seconds and a prospect who may never make the NHL but has at least surpassed what you’d expect for a fifth rounder is actually a pretty good return. It’s still a terrible trade, but given the circumstances, I think Feaster can rightfully say it was the best that could be done.

    On not being able to sign him however, ugh. but I can see erixons point of view. There’s 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he’d get put in the minors because the flames wouldn’t be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster. It’s not like we haven’t seen that done here before. And yes, if he looked at how Backlund was treated last year, I don’t blame him at all for not wanting to be here. That’s all legacy problems from Daryll-Days, and I think we all knew we were going to have to be patient and wait for that to work itself out. Personally I think Feaster took a suicide mission because he could very well get blamed and fired for everything that goes wrong here the next 1-2 years that no GM, dead or alive, could do anything about.

    That said, if details come out that it was just a $200k difference and erixon wanted the org to show some faith in him and tell him the 5th/6th spot was his to lose, then I do think blame shifts back from Sutter to Feaster, cause the hit we took on having to make that trade was certainly greater than that.

    • CitizenFlame

      “There’s 4 NMCs of various flavors ahead of him on defense, and the cap situation is ugly enough that there was a non-trivial chance he’d get put in the minors because the flames wouldn’t be able to keep his contract and bonuses (which count against the cap this year) on the roster.”

      With the cap going up, and if Calgary traded or buried a couple of contracts they could have made Erixon’s ELC work. Not to mention, how many defense are under contract right now? Erixon was practically guaranteed a 5-6 spot with the club. And moving beyond this year, Regehr’s contract would be up before Erixon’s ELC so there would be room to manoevre when the time came. Those are all excuses created by the Erixon camp to provide him with justification for going to NY.

  • RKD

    Two ways at looking at this, in the past 18 months the Flames have traded Dion Phaneuf, Keith Aulie, Ian White, and now Tim Erixon. From the sounds of it, Erixon didn’t want to play unless he was guaranteed a roster spot. Is he better than TJ Brodie?

    The reality is the Flames should balance out the playing time of the defencemen. Jay-Bo’s numbers have to go down right away, he’s being overplayed and overmatched against the best forwards. Let the other d share in the workload.

    It’s not all doom and gloom, Roman Horak had 78 points in 64 games in the WHL. Those are decent stats.

  • Greg

    Am I the only one who actually thinks trade is good? Not only do we get a extra second rounder we also get an 80point WHLer, good value for a guy who has yet to prove anything. As crazy as it sounds we should have traded him to Edmonton for one of there young stud forwards, he would have signed with the young swedes they have. Anyways I think feasted did what he could and I wish Erixon the best in NY, it’s obvious he needed a change of scenery, he has the makings of being a stud D man there and should get the time to develo……..Win Win for both teams

  • Super_Gio

    IMO if the kid didn’t want to play here which by the way looked very obvious – good riddance, why in the heck would you want to try and sign someone who doesn’t want to be here.

  • everton fc

    How did the organization not know this? Why didn’t they have knowledge of this around the trade deadline?? Perhaps he could have been pakcaged with someone for a real asset?

    Doesn’t sit well with me. No one wants a pplayer who doesn’t want to be here. But how is it we didn’t know – no one knew??