Edmonton’s Dirty Little Secret

 

 

The following is a Public Service Announcement from the fans of the Calgary Flames… “EDMONTON is the worst thing since Hepatitis!” Wow…That’s kind of harsh isn’t it? But… that is what I read the other day. And, it came from a fairly respected source. However, just to be fair, let’s take an in depth look and see if indeed the Oilers are worthy of the reference.

Rexallitis A: Oilers’ Goaltending

The Oilers’ goaltending has been a position of contention, arguably since the days of Bill Ranford. Going into this season, Edmonton is going to face a gruelling learning curve that might turn out in their favour, but is more likely yet another source of frustration for the young club. Devan Dubnyk increased his work load by 84% from the 2009-10 season, but made little impact on the team considering he is going to carry the majority of the mail this year. 

Player GP GA GAA W L SOL Svs Pct
Devan Dubnyk 35 93 2.71 12 13 8 1010 0.916
Nikolai Khabibulin 47 153 3.40 10 32 4 1236 0.890

Despite Dubnyk playing 12 less games than Khabibulin, he actually boasted a decent GAA and Sv%, especially for a second year goalie. It was actually his best numbers since 2006-07, when he posted a 2.56 GAA and 0.921 Sv% in 43 games with the ECHL Stocton Thunder. Then again, is there any real reason for optimism with this guy? The numbers seem fine until you come to the realization that he only played 35 games. Can Dubnyk pull out these same kinds of numbers when he is playing 60 + games? Despite the high aspirations the Oilers had in bringing Nikolai over from Chicago, he has been more of a liability for the team, than the asset he was once known as. Add to the fact that he is most likely one more back spasm away from Margaritaville, and the writing is pretty much all over the “Bulin Wall”. Was he too old to play the style he was known for and praised for on highlight reels? Maybe Nik was struck with a little bit of Rexallitis B?…What’s that?

Rexallitis B: Oilers’ Defence

Hey, don’t laugh. These ladies might have distracted opposition enough to have prevented more goals than the Oilers defence corps. Flat out, the Oilers D-men were brutal last year… and the year before that too. No doubt losing Ryan Whitney to injury was significant. He was the only D-man to have a positive +/-, at +13. Of course that may be misleading in that he only played in 35 games. Here is how the back end looked.

Player GP G A Pts +/- Corsi/60 GVT 2011 Sal
Ryan Whitney 35 2 25 27 13 -11.86 7.6 4 M
Tom Gilbert 79 6 20 26 -14 -3.36 3.4 4 M
Kurtis Foster 74 8 14 22 -12 -7.55 1.3 N/A
Jim Vandermeer 62 2 12 14 -15 -4.63 3 N/A
Theo Peckham 71 3 10 13 -5 -12.18 1.7 1.075 M
Ladislav Smid 78 0 10 10 -10 -6.03 -0.4 2.25 M
Jeff Petry 35 1 4 5 -12 0.11 -0.2 1 M
Jason Strudwick 43 0 2 2 -16 -19.37 -1.9 UFA
Taylor Chorney 12 1 3 4 -5 -15.02 0.3 735 K
*Cam Barker 51 1 4 5 -11 -14.12 -1 2.25 M

Hmmm, maybe it was the Edmonton defence that was distracted by the “flag bearers” above, because these are the kind of numbers that get your hockey card shoved into the spoke of some kid’s bike tire. As their Corsi shows, they were completely inept at driving the play north while on the ice. They were marginally significant offensively, and as their GVT rating shows, it wasn’t a stretch to replace these guys if need or want be. The addition of *Cam Barker to this squad leaves little hope to solve this issue either. Even though he wasn’t on the squad last year, I have included his numbers in the chart above, to show the Oilers lack of progression in this area. Barker becomes an RFA next season, so clearly this is an audition year to see if Barker can get his career going in the right direction.

Rexallitis C: Oilers’ Remission

Obviously the big white elephant here is the omission of the fab five of Hall, Paajarvi, Eberle, Omark and RNH. It’s the topic that has Oil fans dancing in the street. It’s the justification and vindication they’ve needed in light of the Oilers last place finishing over the past two years and the 10th worst team in the 2008-09 season. It is also going to be the strife and letdown for the future of the Oilers.

The way I see it, the Oilers took a dramatic step backwards in the 2011 draft. Many will say that is an absurd comment, but before you do… there is a method to my madness! There was no doubt that RNH was going to go first overall. Any team with the first pick would have been out right stupid to not draft Hopkins. So how did the Oilers make a miscalculation in indeed taking Hopkins first overall? They never should have drafted first overall. If the Oilers had taken off the RNH blinders and considered what an asset he could have been to their future, they would have traded the first overall pick.

The Oilers have a very formidable set of young forward prospects now. Why add another one, when the team is so desperate for help on the back end? Had the Oilers traded the first pick, they could have had extreme leverage over any team that came inquiring. They would have had teams lined up around Rexall to get that first pick. Basically, the Oilers could have used the availability of the pick to fix what was wrong with the team now and save what they will be in a few years.

I once heard that teams should never draft defensemen. The reason is that by the time they develop into their full potential, they are finished their entry level contracts, end up costing a fortune to re-sign and are usually lost to free agency. I agree with this and I don’t think the Oilers made a mistake in not drafting Larsson for this exact reason. Instead they drafted Klefbom later in the first round and they still get a solid defensive prospect they develop over time. However, if they had traded the first pick? They could have landed an established high-end #1 D-man. As we saw from the chart above, the Oil don’t have the luxury to develop a #1 D-man, they need help ASAP. With all of the moves made during free agency, the Oilers could have landed themselves immediate help on the back end, and that includes the possibility of landing Shea Webber.

Rexallitis D: Oilers’ Future

What happens when these entry level contracts all expire and these young superstars want to start seeing some real money? There are going to be a lot of tough decisions because the Oilers are not going to be able to sign and keep all these forwards. As I stated before, Edmonton doesn’t have the luxury of time to develop a #1 or #2 D-man. So if the goal is to fill this void immediately, they are going to have to buy them through free agency. According to CapGeek, the Oilers have four players signed through the 2013-14and just under $52 Million in cap space. Those four players are not Hall, Eberle, Omark or Paajarvi. Going by the chart above, the Oilers will have to fork out for probably two high end defensemen, to even give the corps a chance. That is going to run them somewhere in the neighbourhood of $10-15 Million for the pair, depending on who they try to sign.

If Dubnyk can’t carry the load of a 60+ game season, they also are going to have to look, once again, for a goaltender. Before anyone attributes Edmonton to the latest trend of signing goalies for cheap, keep in mind Edmonton is not Washington. They are not going to get Tomas Vokoun for $1.25 million. They are not Stanley Cup contenders; they are going to have to lure a top end goalie with money, not potential and opportunity. Teams like Chicago made successful runs with cheap goalies like Niemi, because they had the defence to keep the pressure off. Edmonton lacks this, and goalies know it. Look for a decent goaltending option to run them $4-5 million per.

Edmonton’s cap space now reduces to $38-32 Million. This number is reduced again because Omark actually becomes an RFA the previous year. Say Omark signs for even $2 Million? You also have to account for Hopkins being a full time player on the team; his entry level contract is $3.775 M, but becomes an RFA the next year. That leaves the Oilers an average of $30 Million to sign Hall, Eberle, Paajarvi.. and now factor in Klefbom.. Not to mention 13-15 more roster positions. Now there is no way to predict what these kids are going be offered or what they will expect. It will largely depend on their performance over the next couple of seasons.

However this leads to the conclusion of the Oilers’ problems. If the kids are a bust, then so will be the team and they will remain amongst the basement dwellers of the NHL. BUT… If the kids are “nice”, then there can be little doubt that they will want to be paid as such, and Katz and Lowe will find themselves in a severe Cap strain, with some tough decisions. Who will stay and who will go elsewhere Time will tell.

In the meantime Oilers fans; keep dancing in the streets. After all, ignorance is bliss… and well, its happy hour and that city is blissed out of its mind.

  • Drew - Team no more tanking

    Wow….what a peice of biased crap that was. Thats the thing about the internet, any wank-off can get on here and spew venom at a rival. Wank-Off being You Vintage Flamer. Good Lawyers control the argument better than the other guy, right or wrong, thats all you are doing here. And really your not even controlling it, you are just the guy in charge who is trying to irk a few Oiler fans. I’ll be sure to check back in 2 years when things really start to cook in Edmonton and You guys are making your 7th-12th Overall Pick for the… 4th, 5th time? I can’t remember, and it does’nt matter.

    Sarcasm is cool when your 19…You are just a loser fan/blogger of a loser team doing the typical LOSER thing that losers do when the thing they love is starting to Suck…Really Suck…”Lets sling Verbal Poop at someone that we think is weaker than we are, and that will actually care…this way attention is deflected for a moment, from how dire things are in our own backyard”…Only Edmonton Fans, Media, and anyone outside of the city knows that Edmonton has the most promising crop of talent in the league. Hockey News and NHL.com both list Edmontons Young Guys as the leagues best by a mile. And Calgary is in Dead Last.

    While Your Post did stir up a hornets nest, Lets see if you can keep up this kind of interest for Years to come…I doubt it.

    Yeah, really worried that the Oilers are totally screwed because some schmuck from Cowtown thinks so….pfffffffft!?

  • Drew - Team no more tanking

    the only guy who fell faster than Ivanens was “Old Balls Kipper” when Eberle set the pace for things to come…Oilers Goals and Speed, And Calgary…..umm, uhh….nothing

  • icedawg_42

    spoken like a true flames fan….IGNORANCE is bliss, but then again misery loves company, were with you right now or should I say your with us. Let’s wait and see if Edmonton is Hepatitis ville in 2-3 years or if flames fans are secretly wanting there hated oil to go all the way.

    suck it vintage flame

    • Vintage Flame

      Thank you. I’m glad I can live up to what my Bio reads πŸ˜‰

      As to 2-3 years down the road.. well that was the point of the article. As it stands the Oil have 1 guy signed through 2014-15, and that’s Shawn Horcoff at $5,000,000. Good grief! If that slug makes 5 Mil, how are the Oilers going to afford the “Fab 5”? Blood from a stone my friend!

      P.S. Thanx for the warm welcome! It’s good to be wanted.

      • #1 – We have a plethora of talent, its not just about 5.

        Our best prospects are playing already but we have PLENTY to come… That’s what flames fan has NO IDEA about though!

        Its gunna be WAVE after WAVE of talent coming through, we’ll lose MPS after our first cup, then have Pitlick or Lander or Hamilton to still go along with Hall, Ebs, RNH, Hartikainen,Hemsky. Its not like we wont get anything for Omark and Gagner if they had to leave, while the flames will be BEGGING Sutter (AKA The Jolly Rancher) to come back and bring you losers back to 8th place where you were having SUCH a good time losing in the first round year after year.

        Defense – Whitney is 28, under 25/6, Gilbert, Smid, Peckham, Petry, Marincin, Klefbom, Musil, Teubert, Simpson

        Goaltending – Tyler Bunz just attended the World Junior Camp and the reebok goalie camp. The only bad thing was that Luon8o was there. But he’s a beauty, between he, Dubnyk and Roy it should be a similar situation to LaBarbera, Bernier and Quick.

  • icedawg_42

    point #1…this is FLAMESnation. …ahem!

    point #2…I’d do ALL of those cheerleaders.

    point #3 you’re bang on – Edmoncharf’s D blows

    point #4 you’re bang on again – MASS exodus at the end of all these ELC’s. – they’d better get that defense sorted out QUICK if they want the team to ‘gel’ enough to post a winning record, and bid to keep any of those kids around.

  • icedawg_42

    while were at it lets talk about how we actually won the cup in 04 and how theres a conspiracy in the NHL against Calgary and you can post it on canucksarmy also because they believe the same thing,

    • icedawg_42

      well i’ll agree with you on one thing Shaner – a REAL battle of Alberta is LONG overdue – the WORLD needs to see what a true rivalry is all about. Ok i’ll agree with you twice, but only because your post convinced me – the Flames won the cup in ’04

      • Wanyes bastard child

        Oh not bad, not bad, still trying* to be my sarcastic witty self here on the nations. Working construction with no computer access during the day by the time I get on I usually find all the smart stuff has already been gone through so theres no point in my going over it again, hence why I never generally have anything usefull to add to any given blog eh πŸ˜›

        *I did say I was trying…

  • So VF, tryin to start a fight right off the hop, hey??

    As mentioned, the sad part about this is that our stock is rising constantly, all we do is aquire more strong assets (Google) where the flamers are in a serious downswing with not much hope. They could remain relevant for a long period of time but never win anything (RIM).

    The last time there was a chance for a Battle of Alberta, the flames choked, as usual. Maybe in 3 years you guys can sneak into 8th and play the 1st place oilers.

    I know that you guys like our castoffs (Glencross, Staios, Lombardi) but I think the only guy that we have left that we’d be happy to ditch in a couple years might be Sutton after his stint in OKC. He might still be too young though at the time, he’ll only be 39!

    Enjoy your last year ahead of us in the standings (maybe)

    Cheers on poppin your cherry

  • First I AM NOT A FLAMES FAN!! Second, when I can’t cheer for my Habs I am cheering for the Oilers. Regardless of how great they are (ahem – Gretzky, Messier, Fuhr days) or how disappointing a certain shot swigging goalie is, I still love them.

    Finally, I voted for Vintage Flame and am glad I did. While I may not agree with all that he says, or the fact that he is a Flames fan, he is articulate and unlike most people, has a flare and talent for writing!

    I look forward to future articles even and the Habs winning the Stanley Cup!!

  • Robert Cleave

    I’ve been out of pocket for the last couple of days, but first off, congratulations, VF, and welcome aboard.

    Second, I can’t begin to express how happy I am that you used your first real post to troll our friends from Stinktown, or as a co-worker of mine once referred to it, “The Pas with parking meters.” Keep up the good work.

    • Vintage Flame

      “I’ve been out of pocket for the last couple of days, but first off, congratulations, VF, and welcome aboard.”

      Cheers Bob. It’s great to be here!

      “The Pas with parking meters.”

      Lol.. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about! That is an OUTSTANDING comparison!

      “Keep up the good work.”

      I’ll do my best!

  • Vintage Flame

    i’m gonna get razzed for this, but I honestly think the Oil should’ve taken Landeskog over RNH. Landeskog is bigger, stronger and I think is more of what the Oil needed. They have enough skilled forwards. (Eberle, Hall, Paajarvi, Omark). Landeskog is the type of young forward they don’t really have right now. Don’t get me wrong I think RNH will be a good player, but I really like what I see out of Landeskog and think he will be betrer in the future.

  • ChinookArchYYC

    VF,

    Beautifully done. Out of the gate and you go straight for the hearts of Oiler fans. It’s about time that someone exposed the Oliers strategy for what it is – a fairytale. Seriously, how is that an entire fan base is sucked into this sewer of junk logic:
    1. Be a bad, uncompetitive team for several years.
    2. Draft in the top 3 every year.
    3. Become NHL champions.
    Really! Wow, you people are so smart. I can’t believe no one else has thought of this. Oh wait maybe others have . . . Let’s see, ah yes I can think of a couple. The Panthers and the Islanders have both iced terrible teams for years, and both a have drafted in the top 10 for years. I can’t wait to watch the exodus out of Edmonton, but it’s okay right you just keep drafting in the top 10. Good for you!

  • Craig

    There are a lot of young skilled players in the Oilers organization, but there’s no variation, they are all offensively gifted forwards. No two way minute munching centre, no high level physical grinders, no above average goaltending, no top level defenseman. There are a lot of holes to be filled, and hoarding offensively skilled young forwards and adding ryan smith isn’t going to solve anything.

  • Vintage Flame

    Capped out.Not likely. Bulin will be off the books. Horcoffs contract gone. Gilberts 4 million a year gone. Hemsky will be gone and his 4-5 million per.Sourays 2,75 million gone. I’m counting what 23 million off the books by the time Hall and company start looking for thier second contract. Klefbom??? Who is he. A late first round pick who hasn’t played a game in the NHL. Whitney. With 2 feet he’ll put up 45 points this year.I would rather a stay at home d corps who can crash and bang. Oh wait that is what we are building. Whitney 6-3. Peckham 6-2. Petry 6-4.Sutton 6-6. And the band played on.Bulin is our biggest issue. I agree we need an upgrade in net. But don’t 16 other NHL teams? BTW when is Kipper going to retire. Who do you have as his backup???

    • Vintage Flame

      WHAT??? Hold on I’ll be RIGHT back.. I have to actually read this again..

      Okay.. Horcoff is signed at 5.5 Mil through 2014-15 iwith a NMC until 2013, where it becomes a modified NTC. So how exactly is he ‘gone’. Even if he could be dealt, he is about as marketable as Matt Stajan.. So good luck.

      Gilbert is signed at 4M per until 2014.. Where is he going. Who will take his $4M when he’s not even worth a double double and a box of Timbits? Good luck with that too.

      “Oh wait that is what we are building. Whitney 6-3. Peckham 6-2. Petry 6-4.Sutton 6-6. “
      … And then? You think having tall D-men is the answer? Dude… Sutton will be 37 in March. What you think he’s Nik Lidstrom? As for Peckham, Petry and Whitney.. Well the numbers don’t seem to share your sentiment. None of those guys are 1-2 D-men.. soooo right back where we started and you need to get out the wallet.

      • ChinookArchYYC

        No worries VF,

        If you saw EcB comments regarding last weeks article about the Oilers negotiations for a new arena, you’ll have noticed he uses fictional numbers to make his points.

        • Please Chinook, tell me where I used fictional evidence? In short I said to make your own decision but know all the facts prior to making that decision. I offered to send the document but have yet to receive a msg. Anytime you wanna see where I was getting my information, just ask. I also told you what to search for to obtain what I was talking about. I just dont think saying I used “fictional” evindence is fair. If you dont agree, thats fine, just say it but dont throw crap out like that please

  • Vintage Flame

    Awesome article vintage. I respect how you are pointing you the flaws of the oilers fan from a legit perspective. Very professional in its approach and tonnes of fun to read

  • RexLibris

    Okay, so as I see it this basically comes down to your claiming that we need to act in the present while Oiler fans are saying that we’re aiming for the future. I understand your point. Cloutier, the Oilers blogger at HB, has been saying the same thing. He’s argued that the Oilers should have RFA sheeted Weber or traded some assets to bring in a top 2 defenceman right now. Most Oiler fans have disagreed, especially with his Weber offer sheet idea, because we know that a top d man right now isn’t going to be enough to make us a contender overnight. Whereas with patience, the prospects that we have are trending well and look to be able to become the pieces that we need, without having to trade for them. So your overpayment argument, while logical, I think will prove inaccurate. The Flames haven’t been able to develop any top level talent for a very long time, outside Iginla. So naturally, you would assume that this will be the case with us as well. But the problem with that argument is: where do you think Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Suter, Yandle, Bieksa and so on came from? They were drafted, sometimes late, and developed, and now each of them plays on the team that developed them. There are also a huge number of top-end defenders who were acquired by their current team, instead of being drafted, and sometimes acquired quite reasonably. I found the same argument coming from Leafs fans a few years back when they tried to kick-start their rebuild by signing college free agents and trading for established, younger players. It’s like they thought these players came out of a vacuum. They said why waste time and take chances on picks, and that theory has been pretty soundly defeated. The idea is to get as much talent in your development process as you can and see what comes out at the other end.

    Flames fans have been in the “now”, trading away their future in the hope of capitalizing on the present for how many years now? So I guess it makes sense that looking at the Oilers from a Calgary perspective would lead you to that conclusion. But that’s why the moves a team makes can seem counterintuitive to fans in other cities, where other priorities are at the forefront of fan consciousness.

    I don’t begrudge any Flames fan taking a shot at their hated rivals (that’s still the Oilers, isn’t it?) because we’re at the bottom right now or trying to poke holes in our rebuild plans. But by the same token you know that Oiler fans will laugh when you talk about having organizational depth or suggest you can attain your franchise messiah by trading weak assets or through free agency. I just have to wonder, though, will Flames fans change their tune and start backpeddling when the rebuild starts in their city?

    • Vintage Flame

      Of course most Oiler fans are going to disagree. I expected you to! Despite what you are thinking, I didn’t write this from the perspective of slamming the Oilers just because they are the Oilers. I saw what I thought should be a legitimate concern for a team rebuilding. The fact that it happened to be the Oilers was a bonus.

      If you notice, there is no reference in the article to the Flames, their prospects or development issues. Why? Because I’m not saying that the Flames have all the answers or even don’t possibly face similar issues in the near or distant future. I was talking about Edmonton and Edmonton alone. Geez you guys up North have such an obsession with Calgary.. Lol

      ” …you talk about having organizational depth or suggest you can attain your franchise messiah by trading weak assets or through free agency”

      You call trading the 1st pick over all in a shallow draft year trading a weak asset? Wow.. okay.. I’m not sure how to respond to that.

      “I just have to wonder, though, will Flames fans change their tune and start backpeddling when the rebuild starts in their city?”

      What do you mean change their tune? If you guys from Oilers Nation would come over here with a reason other than trolling, and actually read through the comments, you might find that it ain’t all peaches n’ cream in the attitude towards the Flames overall. There is not a glowing sense of immediate optimism among the writers here, and I’ll include myself as a newly hired contributor, but frequently involved commenter.

      The truth of the matter no one really has any idea as to what this team could like after next season. We just might find our team in the same situation Edmonton is in. God knows the two Cities and teams are linked with a lot more than a rivalry. But until then, we don’t know. I just think your team isn’t setting a good example.. I never asked you to agree with me. But I respect you challenging my position.

      • RexLibris

        Whoa man, I not trolling, and I have made a point of saying I won’t do that. In fact in the past I have said that Flames fans shouldn’t be as hard on themselves as they seem to be sometimes and that there are opportunities in this.

        You’re right about the Flames comments. I have been reading regularly and as Kent has said, there is a lot of doom and gloom. I don’t think you’re situation is as bad as all that, but yeah, it isn’t good.

        My comment about weak assets was in reference to suggestions about what Hagman and Stajan or even Bouwmeester could get in trade, not about moving the #1 pick.

        Now, perhaps I do owe a small apology (don’t rub it in please, this is hard enough) as I have said here that I appreciate hearing outside opinions on the state of the franchise and their direction, so for that: thank you.

  • ChinookArchYYC

    @ all the Oiler fans on FlamesNation

    I presume if VF wanted to really upset all you he would have posted this article on OilersNation.com. I share his view, I don’t believe in the rebuild the way the Oilers are approaching it. I believe it is a risky approach, and look no further back than the Blackhawks for proof. Yes, the won the cup but if they didn’t, they still would have been forced to break up big parts of that team. In other words, the window of opportunity is very small.

    I expect VF, like myself is tired of hearing fellow Flames fans looking to rebuild in the same fashion as the Oilers. What I’m getting at is that this article is intended for Flames fans, not you.

    • Vintage Flame

      “I expect VF, like myself is tired of hearing fellow Flames fans looking to rebuild in the same fashion as the Oilers. What I’m getting at is that this article is intended for Flames fans, not you.”

      I wish I was that noble CA..

      It was meant to hopefully make an impact as my first article as a contributor.. and well to piss off Oilers fans.. *sneaky grin*

    • RexLibris

      I have never heard a Flames fan say they should rebuild in the same fashion that we are. I’m not doubting you, in fact I totally understand why that would be annoying. And yeah, I’m sorry if us Oiler fans are crashing the FN/VF party, and like I said, I’m not here to troll. I just find that ON and FN are the two best nation sites for articles and information about the team. CA is too self-congratulatory, JN is still getting started, and LN doesn’t have as strong contributors. I get that you don’t want Oil fans constantly commenting on all things Flames, but if VF posts an article about the Oil do you really think some of us aren’t going to chime in?

      The Blackhawks rebuild did work for that year, and had Bowman not screwed up the RFA sheets they could still be together and in a slightly better spot. But it’s only a year removed from their cup win, so maybe you want to wait another 3 or 4 before closing the window on that group.

      Any rebuild is risky, but that’s the nature of sports. There are no guarantees. The path the Oilers have taken has a half-decent track record of assembling a good team (no cup claims here, just a good group of talent) so we’ll go that route and see where it takes us. We might win a cup or two as a result, we might not, but it was a heck of a better plan that what we’d been doing before which was a whole lot of nothing.

      • Vintage Flame

        Believe me, you are NOT crashing my party here at FN. No worries about that.

        “I get that you don’t want Oil fans constantly commenting on all things Flames, but if VF posts an article about the Oil do you really think some of us aren’t going to chime in?”

        Lol.. To the contrary.. I was COUNTING on it! I know you aren’t trolling and I know you are in here a fair bit. I will you give you the credit when you say that FN and ON have the best contributors.. I hope to be among them.

        “Any rebuild is risky, but that’s the nature of sports. There are no guarantees. The path the Oilers have taken has a half-decent track record of assembling a good team (no cup claims here, just a good group of talent) so we’ll go that route and see where it takes us. We might win a cup or two as a result, we might not, but it was a heck of a better plan that what we’d been doing before which was a whole lot of nothing.”

        Agreed. Look I never wrote that this is going for sure happen with the Oilers. It’s just my take on the skewed direction they are going in. I may be wrong, it happens… But what kind of Flames fan would I be if I said it was not the case!? I do believe this is a legit possibility for the Oil… Hell, I’m hoping it happens!

  • 24% body fat

    LOL, an article by flames media who knows that their team for the next five years is going to get worse and hangs on to a 9-13 place in the western conference.

    Jealous.

    I have never heard of any GM complain about too much top end talent. Id rather have the problem of trying to sign to many young stars than have no prospects at all (heh calgary). Oh ya Bartschi is the next crosby right, just like kadri is in toronto. Just ask boston fans if they had an issue when they couldnt sign kessel. dont think any of them care.

    • Vintage Flame

      To quote a pretty famous movie.. “Laugh it up fuzzball”..
      How do you know the Flames are going to get worse over the next 5 years? You or I have no idea what the team will even look like after next year.

      What exactly am I jealous of? Despite your phenoms we have been kicking the crap out of you guys for the past how many years now?? we may be hanging on to a 9th place finish, but do you realize what you guys are staring at when you look up?

      You guys have stunk so badly that the BoA is a shadow of what it used to be. we have to look to the lousy Canucks as our #1 rival now.

      Bring me something better than that dude.

      • 24% body fat

        you guys have no prospects, your best players are aging and not going to get value if they are not traded soon. I know they are going to be bad because edmonton was in the same situation in 07. and the only way to get out is to accept a full rebuild. the sooner the organization realizes it the better off the club will be.

        backlund and bartschi sounds like a cup contender LOL

        oh and it comes in cycles remember when we were beating your buts on route to stanley cups, edmonton will better soon, than calgary again and than edmonton and than calgary. only difference is right now we accepted that our team is bad and flames fans have not accpeted that theirs is bad too.