FN Draft 2012 Weekend (Suggestions) Open Thread

 

 

We’re less than a week away from the 2012 NHL Entry Draft. Over the next few days, FN will continue to profile potential draft targets as well as existing Calgary Flames prospects.

A lot fo questions remain though. Who do you think the Flames will take in the first round? Who do you think they should take? Or with their next pick in the third? Will they package 14th overall to recoup a second round pick? Last year, Robyn Regehr was dealt on the draft floor. Are there any Flames on the trading block this time around?

On top of all that, the Nations will have a strong presence in Pittsburgh this year. Myself, Robert Cleave of FN and JetsNation, Thomas Drance of Canucks Army, Cam Charron of LeafsNation and Jason Gregor or OilersNation will be down in Penslvania mingling with the scouts, media and hopefuls. 

So if you have any specific requests when it comes to activites or coverage, let us know in the comments. We plan to have at least one live chat going (during the first round again), but we can have a preview chat sometime this week by request as well. If there’s anything else FlamesNation would like to see out of draft weekend, leave a reuqest here in the comments and we’ll see what we can do.

  • Teamsupreme

    Trade Iginla to St. Louis for Rattie and their 25th, then we get a great prospect who has already played with and knows Sven, as well as another young gun to develop in Abbotsford. Iginla I think would thrive in St. Louis and have a serious chance of getting a cup. This would also take down cap space and give room for a free agent signing for a solid centre or defenseman. Kyle Brodziak might be a nice addition down the centre.

  • Franko J

    @ Potlicker & Baalzamon

    I do agree there is interest in JBO because GM ‘s in the NHL always feel that they can make a player better than the next GM. My darkhorse team “kicking the tires” on JBO is Carolina Hurricanes. It is only a hunch on my part due the fact the Hurricanes defensive depth is in need of a minute munching dman. Another I suspect is Dallas.

    Like last years draft, I liked the fact the Flames moved Regehr, but losing another second round pick was something I didn’t like. Funny how the team who just won the cup, had almost double the draft picks Calgary has had in the last eight years. I just think that eventhough you hear the same comment every draft from GM’s and scouts alike that it is not deep enough with blue chip talent, Calgary keeps finding a gem or buried in later rounds. I firmly believe where Sutter failed was building and developing tangible assets for future trade bait or organizational depth.

    As for Kiprusoff, remember when Feaster was GM in TB he let Khabibulin walk and ever since the Lightening have struggled in goal. I think he probably feels unless he can somehow trade for another top level goalie the only chance at winning is with him in net. If the Flames do trade Kipprusoff they probably will swing a deal after July 1 when his no trade clause expires.

    The one thing I don’t want to see the Flames do is make a deal or trade with Toronto. Like Columbus Blue Jackets are with Russian players, the Flames never can make it work out in their favor with the Leafs.

    • RexLibris

      Carolina. Interesting. I know they are openly shopping their pick. Would Bouwmeester and the 14th in exchange for Riley Nash and the 8th sound reasonable? That’d be one heck of a draft-day coup for the Flames. It would make them pretty awful this season, in all likelihood, and Nash isn’t anything spectacular, but the value would all be in that 8th overall.

      Grigorenko isn’t falling to 14th, but a player like Faksa, or even Murray perhaps, could go as far down as 8th.

      I’ve been hoping the Oilers could somehow acquire that pick, allowing them to take a forward and a defenseman (Yakupov and Reinhart) in the top ten this year, so if the Flames did it I would be very envious.

  • Franko J

    I really don’t want the FLames to take Brendan Gaunce. To me, he just seems like a Greg Nemisz type player. Not that thats bad, but I’d much rather the Flames go for a more skilled and speedy forward like Collberg than a guy bigger guy like Gaunce

  • loudogYYC

    Defensemen take a long time to develop unless you draft a stud. There’s probably no studs available at 14 so the Flames should pick the best forward available. I agree with @Franko J that Sutter was no good at developing assets for the team. They all had to fit his mold of a hockey player, which no one else finds appealing unfortunately.

    Pronman ranks 14-23 pretty tight, so if Feaster can pick up a 2nd rounder by bumping down a few spots I’d be ok with that.

    Kent, I hope you get a chance to pick Chris Snow’s brain after the draft.

  • everton fc

    Need a lot more for Iggy than Rattie and a 25th. In fact, no Rattie please. I would really like to see a Kipper trade. I love him but believe he can get a good return and we need that. As far as the draft goes, it would be nice to acquire more picks but failing that BPA is the way to go.

    • RexLibris

      I know that most fans would like more for Iginla, but I’m not of the opinion that he is actually worth more at this point.

      That is a lot of future to give up for one year of a 35 year old player.

      I’m also not of the opinion that the Blues are needing only Iginla to make the Cup finals and win. I feel there are a few pieces still missing yet.

      I agree that the best thing the Flames can do right now is accept their draft fate and focus on running their board.

  • Graham

    Feaster has talked about acquiring a second round pick. No one is going to give you a second, so you will have to give something of equal or greater value. That means trading significantly down in the draft, giving up a prospect, a roster player, or a acquiring the 2nd in a package deal for a player like JBo.
    Take the 14th pick and forget about the 2nd rounder. When it comes to draft picks, the less Feaster does the better. If Feaster wanted a 2nd, he shouldn’t have given it up in the first place.

    Its clear that Iggy and Kipper will not be traded. JBo could be traded, but with his contract, he is not going to bring back anything approaching fair value. Trading for below fair value has become a Feaster trait (Langkow and Regehr come to mind). Yes, we get cap space, but it does not help the team if you either don’t use it, or you waste it.

    My biggest fear at the draft, we trade JBo to purely to save money on the team budget (as suggested by Millions)…If you trade JBo then use the savings to acquire a true #1 center, maybe….but our backup without JBo is weak…

    • Franko J

      “Trading for below fair value has become a Feaster trait (Langkow and Regehr come to mind).”

      Really? Both those trades came out pretty well for the Flames. Stempniak was a useful player who is 7 years younger and less than half as expensive as Langkow. I missed Langkow too, but that’s hardly a bad trade, especially considering the uncertainty surrounding Langkow’s spine.

      As for Regehr, Butler was SIGNIFICANTLY better than him last year. Regehr finished the season as a 3rd pair defender for the Sabres (~16 minutes per night). Butler spent THE ENTIRE SEASON ahead of Mark Giordano on the even strength hierarchy. Sure, that’s not really a compliment as far as the Flames’ corps goes, but it’s not an indictment on the young (6 years younger than Regehr and less than half as expensive) blueliner, either. Those were certainly not bad trades, even if they weren’t good ones either. Losing the 2nd rounder hurts, yes, but Butler looks to be a fixture on the Flames’ blueline for the next decade or so.

  • RexLibris

    Columbus won’t be adding Kiprusoff or Bouwmeester. I think they’ll look at adding a goaltending prospect at the draft (31st – or 30th once the Devils announce their forfeiture) and then try to sign a UFA stop-gap at a low cost. Vasilevsky and Dansk are probably two names they’d take a look at with Jacob Markstrom’s example in mind.

    As for Bouwmeester going there, they already have a very expensive back-end. Perhaps they’d trade Bouwmeester for Wisniewski, but even that would be a stretch.

    As for trading with Toronto, I’m kind of surprised Flames fans are willing to go back there so soon. Burke’s recent trading history in Toronto is that he moves older players and underperformers, often with a previous attachement to the receiving team, for good prospects and roster players. With Feaster’s commitments to trying to remain competitive I think Burke is the last GM Flames fans would want anywhere near him. Otherwise you are likely to end up getting Dion Phaneuf back for the 14th overall, Max Reinhart, and Bouwmeester.

    Ken King should just invoke a restraining order of 500 yards between Burke and Feaster until after the draft.

    • T&A4Flames

      I’m pretty sure NJ had until last Friday to announce that they would be relinquishing their 1st rounder, which they didn’t so I guess they are keeping it.

  • everton fc

    @ Rex: Hey Rex, I think NJ already announced their intention of using this years first rounder. I do agree that Columbus just isnt a trading partner for Calgary. Their are teams that would be big time interested in JBO. I dont think Iggy is going anywhere this summer, but his situation will get awful interesting if things dont go well in the first half of next year & no extension is inked during the summer.

  • Franko J

    “I agree that the best thing the Flames can do right now is accept their draft fate and focus on running their board.”

    That is the truth. Flames should stay the course and let the scouting staff find those hidden gems in the fourth and fifth. Believe it or not the hottest commodity other teams are asking for in trades is Gaudreau. This would be a huge mistake on the Flames part.
    Outside Baertschi, he might have greatest potential and upside when it comes to improving the skill level with this team.

  • @ Franko: Yeah we need to accept our destiny. I kind of have given up hope on trading Iggy or Kipper for any hopeful picks & prospects we could have maybe gotten. All those that see Iggy as a lifer, I sure hope we get him resigned & dont just get to waive as he rides off with his chuckwagon of millions of $$$$ over the mountains to the west coast. I like a lot of the changes Feaster has brought but I just have no hope that he & Flames Ownership have had any plans on what could turn into a huge Iggy debacle.

    I would be thrilled if we can turn JBO into a top 10 pick this year & still had our #14. If Jirgensens there, we have to have to take him.

    • There are a couple of risks associated with Iginla following this season: either he decides he wants to win a cup before his career ends and sign somewhere else, leaving the Flames with nothing (see: Sundin’s end in Toronto) or the team decides they want to keep him around and re-sign him to a retirement deal for either too much or too long.

      There landmines everywhere for Feaster re: Iginla now.

  • Franko J

    @ Rexlibris
    You are right, with the current status of the Flames lineup for next season they will be hard pressed to make the playoffs. Therefore moving Bouwmeester will deplete the Flames at the D position short term, but I think of benefits or implications it might have for this team going forward 2 to 3 seasons from now.
    Interesting how when JBO was signed by the Flames, plenty of people were touting Calgary at that time having a solid core of Dmen, now only after 3 years there is a strong possibility of 1/3 of that so called vaunted defense could be gone.

    @ Baalzamon

    Yes Butler is an upgrade over Regehr, and he did play hard minutes for the first time in his career, but I just wish he could somehow find a way defending around the goal crease without him scoring in his own net.

    @ Kevin R
    I think Feaster does have a plan in place, I like the fact that he is already in Pittsburgh and brainstorming and planning with the scouting staff. When it comes to Iginla with his NTC he holds all the cards. Like Sundin had with the Leafs, the power goes all to the player. Looking ahead, Feaster will have the same issue down the road with players like Glencross. With a player like Jokinen, the Flames could probably get a late round pick ( maybe) but again he holds all the cards.

  • Franko J

    @ Kent: Thats what terrifies me. It’s like no one has the ability to press Iggy to look into his crystal ball as to what he wants to do. Me, I’m a conservative type and if I dont have Iggy extended by August 1, I’m asking him to expand the list of teams he’s willing to get traded to & salvage what I can. Seeing how little we will be doing in the free agent market, this would be my total focus & rightfully so considering he’s the face of the franchise. At that point, I dont know if the return for Iggy would be any better than a trade deadline deal shopping him as a rental. Either way, yeah there are land mines every which way you turn. If we have a hockey season next year, this will become the biggest on going story for the Flames from December on if things remain status quo.

  • Teamsupreme

    Reading the calgary flames mock draft, I really wish we could pick up faksa, but the more I read about maata, the more I like him

    Also, I don’t like collberg. 41 games, 0 points. Even if you are injured, you should be able to atleast get one point if you are as skilled as the scouts say

  • Teamsupreme

    I’m not really understanding where the Bouwmeester hate is coming from here, the guy is overpaid by about 1mil, 1.5 tops. He is a top minute top pairing guy who the Flames are NOT going to be able to replace this offseason.

    And it doesn’t make sense to trade him, if you are not trading Iggy/Kipper. If you trade Bouwmeester for prospects/picks and a lesser defender, you are pretty well garaunteeing yourself a lower spot in the ranking, what the heck is the point in that if you don’t get rid of Iggy and Kipper to pretty well garauntee the lottery.

    • loudogYYC

      I wouldn’t call it hate, just the wrong amount of expectation for the guy.

      I’m open to the Flames trading him at the draft just because the team isn’t good enough to make the playoffs in the next 2 seasons he’s under contract. There are teams that will miss out on the Suter sweepstakes and Detrot needs to replace a smooth skating, intelligent defensemen that played their system to a T. Sounds like a fit for Bouwmeester if you ask me.

      As for the Flames, they’ll acquire some players and sign others and still won’t be good enough next season, so let Iggy and Kipper lead the way to the promise land just the way ownership thinks they will. This is the season it becomes painfully obvious and clear that the core is done.

      My guess is that the Flames will have at least 12 picks in 2013.

  • T&A4Flames

    Depending on what’s available at 14, I’m all for trading down. TB would have to be our target. We aquire the 19th and either the 37 (from MIN I think) or TB’s own at #40. Koekkoek could be there at 20 and I would love a shot at Frk with the 2nd. Reinhart, Ceci, Trouba or with any luck, Grigerenko being available at 14 and we should keep the pick and take one of them. Other than that, similar players are available all over this draft.

    I agree with those that think JBo could bring a good return. Just like most trades it really has to benefit us or you don’t do it. I would love to see Feaster work something out with PHI that would bring back the rights to Carle and their 1st as well as Schenn or Couturier (I realize it would take more than JBo for those of you already bashing this). However, I don’t see JBo being a PHI type player.

  • T&A4Flames

    @ T&A: I dont think Tampa has those 2nd rounders anymore after the Lindback deal but I sure would like that 10th overall & they need a piece on defence. I would be totally OK with JBO for Connelly & the 10th overall & perhaps a salary dump back(not Vinny).
    Detroit would be a good target but they dont have a 1st rounder either, it would have to be a 2013 1st rounder which wouldnt be all that bad. Maybe a 2013 1st & 2012 2nd & a prospect for JBO.

    Loudog, amen brother, 12 picks & multi 1st & 2nds is what the doctor ordered for the Flames.

    • T&A4Flames

      Oh right, it would have to be for the 40th overall as TB traded the 37th and 50th overall to NSH.

      Also for those fearing trades with TOR, that was with Sutter. I think Feaster would be better in that scenario and remember, for those of you that think Burke is too smart, he traded 2 1st rounders + for Kessel.

      • loudogYYC

        for all that the Bruins got some great prospects from those picks (Seguin, Hamilton and, I believe, Knight) it’s well to remember that Kessel is a proven 30 goal scorer. The Leafs didn’t exactly do badly in the return on that deal.

  • supra steve

    @Colin S

    “I’m not really understanding where the Bouwmeester hate is coming from here, the guy is overpaid by about 1mil, 1.5 tops. He is a top minute top pairing guy who the Flames are NOT going to be able to replace this offseason.

    And it doesn’t make sense to trade him, if you are not trading Iggy/Kipper. If you trade Bouwmeester for prospects/picks and a lesser defender, you are pretty well garaunteeing yourself a lower spot in the ranking, what the heck is the point in that if you don’t get rid of Iggy and Kipper to pretty well garauntee the lottery.”

    You are correct sir.

    Seems to me that since Feaster apparently has his hands tied with Iggy (and Kipper?), one way of starting the team down the total Nuke rebuild is to move JBo for youth. That way, when Jan/Feb comes and the team is nowhere close to contending for a playoff spot, moving Kipper becomes easier. And if Iggy is not yet resigned, perhaps he becomes available as well.

    On the other hand, if Hartly has this team in playoff contention, we can start planning the cup parade. Because if we learned anything this year, it is that the 8th seed has a real shot at winning the cup….

  • loudogYYC

    “Seems to me that since Feaster apparently has his hands tied with Iggy (and Kipper?), one way of starting the team down the total Nuke rebuild is to move JBo for youth. That way, when Jan/Feb comes and the team is nowhere close to contending for a playoff spot, moving Kipper becomes easier. And if Iggy is not yet resigned, perhaps he becomes available as well.”

    Actually moving Kipper would be hard, because chances are our Defence is worse than this year and Kipper may regress back to mean rather then his stellar performance this year and no one would want him at the deadline. If you trade Bouwmeester at the draft or just after free agency, you trade Kipper soon after. Kipper is NEVER going to look better than he was this year, so tanking and then hoping to get any real assests for him is a fools task.

    @LouddogYYC, I don’t have a problem moving him to another team if that team can give us back assests to replace him or give us something that we can use to find another D man, but to just dump him for the sake of “freeing up cap space” is a dumb idea, you can have all cap space in the world, but if you waste it on more Corey Sariches because they are less cap space than JayBo then the team may as well just give up before the season starts.

  • supra steve

    Colin

    You’re preachin to the converted dude. I would have a Kipper deal lined up for July 1 if I were in charge, but I am not. You’re right, Kipper’s value is not likely to get any better, but to assume that a goalie can’t shine with a weak D in front of him is not 100% correct. I’ve seen a lot of weak teams with strong tenders (last year’s Flames for example). Having said that, I stress again, I would prefer not to take any chances and move him this summer. But what I would prefer, and what the Flames do, are not always identical. Sorry Kipper, love ya, but the Flames organization has to be more important then ANY individual/or group of players.

  • Franko J

    Back to the great debate, who to trade or not to trade.Plenty of questions and speculation abound with a few answers by next Sunday after the draft we will see which direction Feaster and the Flames have in mind.
    Will they be going with youth, skill and speed or stay the course with a couple aging superstars leading the way.