Flames Sign Deryk Engelland

After a couple of solid signings in Raymond and Hiller, the Flames add their first eyebrow raiser in Dereyk Engelland for 3 years at $2.9M per year. 

Engelland plays both defense and forward, though he mostly acts as a d-man. He’s big, he’s mean, can drop the gloves…and he’s not very good at much else. He averaged a team low 13 minutes of ice for the Pittsburgh Penguins last year, faced lower tier opposition and had some of the worst underlying possession numbers amongst Pens defensemen. Clearly, like Bollig, this is another step in the new regime’s quest to “get bigger and protect the kids”.

Engelland is a 32 year old tough guy and third pairing defender. At best, he’s a way to get the Flames over the cap floor finish line for the next few seasons and a skating harm deterrence. At worst, he’s their next Shane O’Brien.

  • jeremywilhelm

    This isn’t a daycare. If they are signing bad hockey players to bring up 19/20 year old adults, then they seriously need to remove their heads from their asses.

  • jeremywilhelm

    Why do you need a Dman that can fight? Why do you need anyone that can fight? Fighting is moronic and takes away from the actual game. What the hell is McGrattan and Bolligs job if Engelland is supposed to fight? Score goals? That ain’t happening.

    • EugeneV

      Because if he can be ANY sort of useful on the ice, then that will give them flexibility to dress a better fourth line. Especially if we want our smaller skilled guys to have someone looking out for them often.

  • jeremywilhelm

    I would have to say the only real reason I hate this deal is, after day two of the draft, we can now confirm that Treliving is a terrible GM.

    That’s what makes me most annoyed. We are moving through a rebuild and the guys guiding the rebuild are clowns pure and simple.

  • Jeff Lebowski

    I’m sure Engellend was entertaining plenty of other calls from the ECHL.

    Way to scoop the Bakersfield Condors BT!

    I’m developing an irrational animus to BT. Please give me some hope – something – that you like skill.

    I like DNA too. Everyone needs DNA. But I like guys who can skate, shoot and pass as well.

    Just give some hint that skill has some value in the future plans.

    • EugeneV

      Geez dude, relax.

      I’m afraid you’re going to have a coronary.

      I know that you have been posting on here about needing to build slowly and properly, yet here you are going off irrationally about a signing which will give us some flexibility and still retain a sheriff to look after those skill guys we DO have. While they are learning and while we will be nowhere near the playoffs. Or did you hope the rebuild could just be over NOW?


      I see this as a depth signing that gives us some options on line combos etc…

      maybe play Deryk and then have what you would call 4 functional lines eg:

      Bollig Knight Arnold or something similar meaning that we don’t have to dress McG every game as a hole on the bench.

      Engelland has also spent the last 4 years PRACTISING with Crosby and Malkin so hopefully he can bring some experience to bear.

  • jeremywilhelm

    I can’t argue about this anymore. You’ve decided that the atrocious Engelland contract isn’t bad and I doubt I’ll ever change your mind.


    • piscera.infada

      Frankly, I just don’t think anyone cares what you think… Your negativity just makes you seem like a petulant child.

      I’m happy with what the Flames did today. They signed Raymond, which is okay (I personally hated him on Vancouver, but Vancouver so that probably says it all). The Hiller contract may be the best move today. He gives the team a solid backup or tandem goalie, where if Ramo struggles or gets injured you know he’ll be league average. The Engelland deal isn’t pretty, but it’s almost of no consequence other than Edwards’ dollars – no one should be making a mountain out of a molehill with this, it’s dollars and a small amount of term (and, for those of you reciting what Treliving has said about him, he’s not going to come out and say “he sucks, but cap floor…”).

      • beloch

        I am very meh on what the Flames did today. Engelland deal just shows that the Flames as an organization are Dinosaurs. But that is nothing new for an organization that has advanced once past the first round since 1990 trying to build a traditionally good hockey team. Nothing will change for the foreseeable future. Maybe one day they will either get smarter or if that is out change the flaming C logo to a dunce cap to truly represent what the organization is.

      • beloch

        Well said. I don’t get it other than haters gotta hate. If you read between the lines & look at the obvious, Flames were not giving out more than 3 year terms today. Well guess what, that eliminates several of the semi-decent UFA’s out there. Hiller took care of a huge organizational need. Raymond fits a RW hole & Engelland helps get us to the cap floor. We have left many spots open to debut young players. You think they will think twice about allowing Tspoon or Seiloff play over Engelland? Next year is about giving our young guys opportunity to take huge steps.

        • piscera.infada

          Re: Engelland: Exactly, if ‘Spoon or Seiloff can outplay Engelland for that spot, then they’ll sit Engelland or bury him. It basically prevents a situation where one of them needs to play over their head.

          Moreover, it’s great because we got over the floor without signing any boat-anchor contracts. No Heatley, Spezza, Ribeiro, Vanek, etc. – that’s what really worried me about this whole thing.

          • mattyc

            not sure how Engelland is preferable to those guys… Spezza has 1 year left, Heatley and Ribiero are getting short term contracts too. Not like we’ll be a cap team this year. It would be preferable to have good hockey players so long as they don’t penalize us 2-4 years from now capwise, unless we’re actively trying to lose, which I don’t think is the plan…

            Spending 3 million of cap space on a guy who may not even keep his roster spot next year (let alone year 2, 3) is silly. Luckily it doesn’t matter because we aren’t a cap team, but still.

          • DragonFlame

            “Spending 3 million of cap space on a guy who may not even keep his roster spot next year (let alone year 2, 3) is silly. Luckily it doesn’t matter because we aren’t a cap team, but still.”

            Matty, your last sentence hit the nail right on the head!

          • piscera.infada

            In terms of hockey skills he’s not preferable. That said, Spezza would have taken assets to acquire (and we’ve been over this with a fine toothed comb already, he’s not really a great fit, at least not to me). Engelland won’t detract from your dressing room like a pouting Heatley or Ribiero would – when a GM comes out and states attitude problems as a reason for buyout (as with Ribiero), that’s the last thing you want.

            On July 1st, chances are the good hockey players are going to cost you prohibitive term and/or dollars, especially when your team isn’t really attractive to anyone. Today, the Flames didn’t really get sucked in by any of that, and I’m glad. Like I said previously, the Engelland deal is not good, great, or amazing. It accomplishes the goal of getting to the cap floor while allowing everything to still be in a state of controlled flux.

    • DragonFlame

      It would be bad if the Flames were in playoff contention and were close to the cap ceiling. As it stands and given the Flames present situation, it doesn’t hurt the team one iota. The Flames are minus Chris Butler (who led the team at -23) and Shane O’Brien, who was paid a good chunk of change to play half the season in Abbotsford.

      Some of you guys take this game way too seriously. Try hockey pools. You can cheer for players on other teams and it will take your mind off the Flames, who are at least two seasons from making the playoffs.

      • Captain Ron

        You are quickly becoming one of my favorite people here with comments like this.

        I whole heartedly agree with you.

        If we are not going to be very good what the hell, let the face punching happen in between Johnny G highlights. At least we can be entertained on our way to a lottery pick next season.

        Next game in Van on HNIC they should start McGratton, Engelland, and Bollig up front haha.

        Then do it again in Edmonton.