Flames Sign Deryk Engelland

After a couple of solid signings in Raymond and Hiller, the Flames add their first eyebrow raiser in Dereyk Engelland for 3 years at $2.9M per year. 

Engelland plays both defense and forward, though he mostly acts as a d-man. He’s big, he’s mean, can drop the gloves…and he’s not very good at much else. He averaged a team low 13 minutes of ice for the Pittsburgh Penguins last year, faced lower tier opposition and had some of the worst underlying possession numbers amongst Pens defensemen. Clearly, like Bollig, this is another step in the new regime’s quest to “get bigger and protect the kids”.

Engelland is a 32 year old tough guy and third pairing defender. At best, he’s a way to get the Flames over the cap floor finish line for the next few seasons and a skating harm deterrence. At worst, he’s their next Shane O’Brien.

      • Mort

        But if that’s the case, why sign Jonas Hiller? Why sign Mason Raymond? It just doesn’t make sense that we would make a couple of good signings, and then suddenly turn around and make a tank-mode signing.

        The only conclusion I can come to is that the Engelland signing is NOT a tank-mode signing, but rather Treliving and/or Burke think that he’s actually valuable to the team.

        • flamesburn89

          Agreed. And I don’t think Brian Burke would ever consider tanking. He believes that it’s akin to cheating, which I do agree to a certain degree I guess

      • Jeff Lebowski

        Remember, even if the Flames finish dead last and have the highest probability of winning the lottery they could lose it and not be able to land McDavid. Look at what happened, Florida won the lottery when it should have been the Sabres.

      • Jeff Lebowski

        It has little to do with the cap situation and more to do with what THIS REGIME VALUES.

        They value things that have nothing to do with playing hockey well. Its voodoo stuff like:

        ‘this guys plays for keeps’
        ‘its a heavy, heavy game’

        This kind of signings portend deals like Kassian for Hodgson.

        We will see our skilled prospects sent out for goons.

        Because to Burke, he wants to go to a game and watch hits and fights.

        Bully hockey. No skill hockey.

        Did we not just get out from under that rock? Why was last year entertaining? Because they valued under Feaster high hockey IQ.

  • flamesburn89

    So, they just bought out O’Brien right? Engelland is probably better than O’Brien, but that isn’t very flattering praise.

    I guess they needed to get to the cap floor, but this doesn’t seem like a good move, especially compared to the two prior.

    Lol, just realized that Engelland’s cap hit is bigger than TJ Brodie’s… at least right now

  • Jeff Lebowski

    The Burke wannabes should be happy.

    Engelland -> $3.0M ?!?!??

    The new smartest guys in the room, think that total plugs have more to give in their ‘games’. What are they gonna give? Why are they NOT valuing skill? Why are they valuing toughness so much more than every other team?

    LA’s 2 goons are who? Chicago’s? St. Lou’s? Who builds a team like this?


    Just dumb talkin idiocy. Does everyone realize how terrible Engelland is?

    We will now.

  • if you’re going to throw money at a d-man, there were better ones available. Not a lot of great options, but better than this.

    Hell, I would have thrown some cash at Raphael Diaz if this was the plan.

  • Colin.S

    Anyone want to take bets on if he gets traded/bought out/demoted before this contract is finished out?

    I’m guesing by the end of year two he gets one those three options.

  • Colin.S

    Enough with the truculence, give us talent! Maybe he is #5 or #6 paired with Smid and the Flames are still adding another d-man. They need a top 2 or top 4 shutdown guy. I’m curious if they use him as a forward on the fourth line instead of on d.

  • JumpJet

    So a Flames D-core of: Brodie-Gio

    They just need to give Colborne and Bouma decent raises then they should be over the cap floor, I believe.

  • beloch

    Engelland is third pairing defender, which the Flames don’t really need more of.

    Even surrounded by a pretty good team his possession was poor and his TOI was corespondingly low. No defender on the penguins played less or against easier competition than Engelland last season. At 32, he’s no spring chicken either!

    The term and ammount on this contract both suck. This is going to be a negative valued asset for the Flames.

    Proposal for a question GM’s should ask before signing anyone:

    Would this player instantly become your #1 candidate for a compliance buyout if the league starts handing more of those out? If so, do not sign.

    If Treliving had asked this question, this signing would not have happened.

    • Colin.S

      Couldn’t agree more on this.

      I didn’t much care for the second half of the draft, but compared to this type signing, the second half of the draft looks like one of their best ever.

  • Mort

    Look, I might have been moderately fine with this signing, but really? Three years? THREE YEARS? THREE YEARS AT $2.9M PER?

    Look, I don’t want to get TOO upset, because this is clearly just a move to get us over the cap floor, but… We’ve just paid $8.7M dollars for a guy who will most likely alternate between sitting in a press box, sitting in the penalty box, and sitting on the bench. Of all the people we have to vastly overpay, why him?

  • DragonFlame

    A surprise, but the Flames have tons of money and who among us really thinks the Flames are going to contend next year? Look at the moves Dallas, St Louis and Anaheim made, and Phoenix, to a lesser degree. For the Flames to add a high-ticket UFA made absolutely no sense. All it would have done is kept the Flames from a re-build, stock-the-farm team to a team just bad enough to be out of playoff contention. Winnipeg is no further ahead, and I wonder about the Canucks signing Ryan Miller for a ton of dough. The Canucks are still old and Miller will have to stand on his head to get them anywhere near the playoffs.

    The Flames need some veterans, they got one. Sure, it’s a lot of money, but I am assuming Engelland has some valuable traits, aside from punching people.

    I am not giving this acquisition the thumb’s up but it doesn’t hurt the club one way or the other. Calgary is NOT going to make the playoffs, and with some smaller players looking to come in and make an impression, they’ll need to have big guys looking out for them.

  • jeremywilhelm

    I would have to say the only real reason I hate this deal is, after day two of the draft, we can now confirm that Treliving is a terrible GM.

    That’s what makes me most annoyed. We are moving through a rebuild and the guys guiding the rebuild are clowns pure and simple.

  • jeremywilhelm

    Clearly an overpayment, but not an albatross contract at this time. Yet more promises of an ‘expanded role’ to a big body on the edge of the shallow end of the skill pool. If either him or Bollig can actually expand their game and raise their level it is a win I think. I am mildly encouraged that both players want to be more than they have been. That’s what good moves are right, when players get better results on the new team. However I question the sanity of the farmer who looks for a prize bull in a goat heard. Only time will tell if we have a bull mixed in with the goats.