POST GAME: Flames Win, Lift Jersey Curse

I wanted to find some appropriate music for Craig Anderson playing the puck, I have settled on this.

The Flames came alive in a five minute stretch to pull the Flames in front of the Senators. Oh, and Giordano was clipped with a stick in the first period and had to get four stitches on his eyelid. Did you hear me? HIS EYELID. Lordy, he is tough and good at hockey. 

The Flames beat the Senators 4-2 tonight in a wild game in which every single player was hit in the face with a stick. Come read all about it after the jump!


The first period didn’t exactly go as planned for the Flames. Actually, it went friggen horrible. Not because of the score, though that wasn’t great either, it was because a bridge troll hurt our beloved Gio. 

The first started with Sven Baertschi making a slick move around an Ottawa defender but in doing so took a high sticking penalty. A useful case-study one might imagine. After the Flames kill, Chris Neil hit 1/2 of Brodano (the captain half) in the eye with his stick on the follow through of a dump in.

Thanks to Steph (@myregularface) for the gifs tonight. If you aren’t following her, you should have your twitter license revoked. 

In Alberta, I believe case law permits capital punishment for injuring Giordano but the NHL is more lenient in the case of a follow through. I just though I would remind everyone of the NHL rule but it doesn’t mean I have to be happy that it had to be toothless mcsucksathockey that knocked him out, even if it was just temporary.

High sticking

Shortly after that, the Sens took a 1-0 lead on a nice shot from Clarke MacArthur to beat Ramo despite the fact that the Flames had had a lot of good chances throughout the period. Sven looked good at times in the first, making some slick passes and using his speed effectively. 

Making matters worse, Kris Russell also left the game in the first period as well meaning the Flames were left with only 1.5 defencemen to start the second period and 2.5 “defencemen” (If you’re curious, I have Wideman scored as .5).

The first ended with the sens up 1-0 even though the Flames out-shot the Sens 9-5. Overall, the Flames looked pretty good in the first but were unable to bury any of their chanNONE OF THIS MATTERS HOW IS GIO DOING? DOES HE NEED AN EYE!? I WILL GIVE HIM ONE OF MINE!

Okay, okay, okay. So, they both returned to start the second. I had already pre-ordered a McDavid jersey during the intermission. Gio, I love you. Please wear a visor permanently. 

The second started with a few back and forth chances, Monahan had a nice chance that was stopped by Anderson early in the second. Then, after a Josh Jooris faceoff win, Sven Baertschi made a pass that I would cuddle to Paul Byron who turned Gryba into a mile-marker and roofed it to tie the game at one six minutes into the second.

The second ended tied at one, though the Flames continued to outshoot the Sens, finishing the period outshooting the Sens 18-13.

The third period started with some furious action, Lance Bouma was called for tripping less than a minute in and the Flames were forced the kill again. Early in the man-advantage, Paul Byron, who cannot be stopped, had a breakaway and was stopped by Anderson. Immediately following that, Karri Ramo made a great stop that even fooled the goal judge. Mike Hoffman then rang one off the post from the point. 

After leaving the box, Lance Bouma hustled down the ice, fed the puck to Markus Granlund who showed some 35 ply hands to put the Flames up 2-1 less than five minutes into the third. 

Shortly after that, the Flames went on their first powerplay of the game and were able to capitalize on some shakey puck-handling from Craig Anderson with Curtis Glencross finding Josh Jooris who had a wide open net to extend the lead to Flames lead to 3-1. Everything was coming up Milhouse for the Flames early on in the third. 

The Sens fought back midway through the third mostly because the Flames can’t play Brodie and Giordano for the entire game. Smid and Engelland got caught, well, on the ice and Bobby Ryan drew the Sens back to within a goal with 11 minutes to go. 

After weathering the storm, Craig Anderson continued to struggle handling the puck and coughed the puck of to Lance Bouma and put the Flames up 4-2. The Sens then had an extended 5 on 3 which the Flames were able to kill off and it was smooth sailing. Flames win 4-2. 


Was there any real question? 

Paul Byron had a whale of a game and has been one of the best Flames forwards this whole season. I have always been an enormous fan of Byron, to the point that I am sure those who know me are sick to death of me talking about him, but I think this recent stretch of success will do wonders for his profile. I still can’t believe they only gave him a one year deal this offseason.

Sven made an absolutely fantastic pass and generally looked good all game. If he keeps this up, there is no doubt in my mind that he won’t see upstate New York for a good long while. I thought Ramo also acquitted himself well in this one after a pretty rough start in Florida, especially during that late 5 on 3.


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Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Home 1 18:12 Granlund 4 6 13 24 31 60 4 6 9 41 65 93 5v5
Away 1 17:33 Neil 15 17 25 29 31 59 15 17 25 41 62 74 5v5
Away 1 17:28 Nel 15 17 25 29 31 59 15 17 25 41 62 74 5v5
Away 1 16:28 Ceci 4 6 27 31 32 86 2 5 27 41 61 68 5v5
Away 1 10:35 Gryba 4 7 27 31 32 86 15 17 25 41 62 74 5v5
Home 1 10:08 Byron 4 6 27 31 32 86 4 7 16 41 65 90 5v5
Home 1 9:10 Bollig 15 17 25 29 31 59 15 17 25 41 62 74 5v5
Home 1 5:29 Glencross 15 19 20 23 29 31 2 5 7 16 25 41 5v5
Away 1 2:52 Turris 6 7 27 31 32 86 2 7 16 41 65 90 5v5
Away 2 18:34 Ceci 5 7 13 24 31 60 2 5 7 16 41 90 5v5
Home 2 15:46 Jooris 5 7 23 31 32 86 5 7 16 41 65 90 5v5
Home 2 14:45 Monahan 15 19 23 29 31 59 4 41 61 62 68 93 5v5
Away 2 13:11 Turris 15 24 27 29 31 60 7 16 41 65 74 90 5v5
Away 2 12:47 MacArthur 5 7 19 20 23 31 4 7 16 41 65 90 5v5
Home 2 12:37 Monahan 4 7 19 20 23 31 4 7 16 41 65 90 5v5
Home 2 11:48 Byron goal 15 17 25 29 31 59 2 5 15 17 25 41 5v5
Home 2 9:00 Byron tip 4 6 27 31 32 86 4 6 9 41 65 93 5v5
Home 2 6:01 Jones 5 7 19 20 23 31 5 15 17 25 41 65 5v5
Home 2 5:20 Hudler 13 15 24 29 31 86 2 5 27 41 61 68 5v5
Away 2 0:59 Michalek 6 7 17 20 23 31 4 6 9 41 65 93 5v5
Home 3 19:37 Byron 5 7 31 32 60 7 16 17 41 65 90 4v5
Away 3 19:28 Chiasson 5 7 31 32 60 7 16 17 41 65 90 4v5
Home 3 17:32 Granlund goal 5 7 17 31 60 86 2 5 6 9 27 41 5v5
Home 3 14:24 Jooris goal 5 7 20 24 31 86 2 15 17 41 62 5v4
Away 3 12:11 Ryan goal 13 15 24 29 31 60 4 6 9 41 65 93 5v5
Away 3 11:55 Legwand 15 17 25 29 31 59 2 5 15 17 25 41 5v5
Away 3 11:54 Scrum 15 17 25 29 31 59 2 5 15 17 25 41 5v5
Away 3 10:55 Ryan 5 7 20 23 31 32 4 6 9 41 65 93 5v5
Home 3 7:04 Bouma goal 4 6 17 27 31 60 2 5 7 16 41 90 5v5
Away 3 2:58 Ryan 4 6 13 17 31 86 4 5 6 7 41 93 5v5
# Player EV PP SH
4 RUSSELL, KRIS 13:53 5 3 01:32 0 0 02:55 0 0
5 GIORDANO, MARK 13:34 3 3 01:45 1 0 07:18 1 1
6 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 18:03 4 4 02:14 0 0 02:14 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 20:02 4 6 01:03 1 0 06:58 1 1
13 GAUDREAU, JOHNNY 11:12 2 3 02:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
15 SMID, LADISLAV 14:08 5 6 00:00 0 0 01:05 0 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 10:06 4 6 00:00 0 0 04:16 0 0
19 JONES, DAVID 09:45 4 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 15:07 3 3 01:58 1 0 00:17 0 0
23 MONAHAN, SEAN 15:38 5 3 02:00 0 0 02:35 0 0
24 HUDLER, JIRI 13:21 2 3 01:17 1 0 00:00 0 0
25 BOLLIG, BRANDON 06:34 2 4 00:00 0 0 00:06 0 0
27 BAERTSCHI, SVEN 10:43 3 4 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
29 ENGELLAND, DERYK 11:55 5 6 00:00 0 0 01:26 0 0
31 RAMO, KARRI   13 14   1 0   1 1
32 BYRON, PAUL 13:43 3 4 01:19 0 0 03:47 1 1
59 REINHART, MAX 06:58 3 4 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
60 GRANLUND, MARKUS 12:16 3 3 00:00 0 0 05:27 1 1
86 JOORIS, JOSH 12:28 5 4 01:17 1 0 04:26 0 0
Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 4 5 4 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 7 4 7 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 4 6 2 5 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0


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A seriously gutsy win for the Flames who were able to get some good kills and some key times and the Flames continue to pile up points early in the season. I am just as surprised as you guys. Let’s all just soak this in.

The Flames are off until Tuesday when they face their first California opponent, the Anaheim Ducks. I get the feeling we will see what this team is made of pretty soon.  

  • beloch

    The Flames earned this one. They played three mostly solid periods and hung tough when Ottawa got their chase effect game on. Lots of players stepped up, especially when Giordano and Russel were out for repairs. It’s games like this that make the Flames current surge look like more than mere smoke and mirrors.

    The High Stick
    The law of the league is clearly on Chris Neil’s side. He was shooting, so anything he does with his stick after shooting is therefore follow-through. However, look at that shot. It was a soft wrister dump to the corner. The follow-through was totally excessive for that shot. His intention was probably not to injure, but he was definitely looking to fan some air in Giordano’s face and let him know to keep away when he’s got the puck. I don’t like it, but the refs made the right call. Hopefully Giordano wears a freakin’ visor from now on so he can step hard into stick-fanning knobs like Neil.

    It’s time.
    Before last season, the goal music was pretty damned bad, but the goals were so rare I almost got to like Duck Sauce. The Monster Truck song they’re using now would be tolerable if the Flames were scoring the way people expected them to this season (i.e. not much). However, the Flames are #5 in goals per game and the goal song is really starting to get annoying! Time for a new one. #playoffteamproblems

  • cgyokgn

    This team is so fun to watch. The young guys are not only providing energy and speed, but are doing most of the scoring. Happy for Ramo… got lots of goal support. Didn’t like the first goal he gave up but was good the rest of the way. Great penalty killing may have won us the game: no goals given up on six Ottawa PPs including a 5 on 3.

    • Grayone

      Sultan et al,

      After so much Engelland commentary these past weeks if not months, I made it a point to watch #29.

      Sultan, your comment is dead-on … I saw a number of cringe-worthy moments to the point where when the Flames get scored on, I immediately try to see who was playing right “D” … too often my head ends up shaking an unsaid “of course”.

      Coach ‘Artley and this staff must have had their heads in the hands not bearing to look as the score went to 3-2 AND Eng-Smid stayed on??? The Sens almost tied it with #29 looking decidedly un-NHL quality. (btw: how come they stayed on??)

      Lots of drama with Russell and the brilliant Gio out in the 1st … but what a wow pass by Sven to Byron and Jooris’ … what impact!

      Finally, I thought the collective hockey-night commentary was finally ‘alive’ to what the Flames are doing … maybe they’re not so dumbian after all.

      Two-bits …

  • RKD

    These Flames kids are gems. Paul Bryon is a breakaway zen master. Heck of a game by Josh Jooris and Lance Bouma. That whole line of Byron, Jooris and Baertschi was great. Another assist for Barts, glad that Ramo got a win. Scary moment for Gio, hope he wears a visor moving forward. Losing Gio for any amount of time would be devastating. They really need to develop some more kids on d, let’s see Wotherspoon or another worthy AHL d-man.

  • prendrefeu

    Sven is looking better.

    INB4 the debate about Hartley re: Sven, please stop. Hartley is a fantastic coach who knows what he is doing – and quite well with results – in the development of Calgary’s talented youth.

    I believe the Swiss kid has to prove he belongs in a Calgary sweater, and these past two games he is starting to show signs of confidence again. Good.

    • ChinookArchYYC

      I’m tired of this debate too, but in fairness I don’t think it’s ever been a Hartley vs. Baertschi. Hartley can be a good coach and still make mistakes.

      For me there are two issues, first to give a young and very gifted rookie a longer rope (and equitable one compared to other rookies like Gaudreau and Monahan). He is a high draft pick with a ton of skill, and for the good of the team’s long term success, they’d better do everything they can to turn the potential into a real asset. The second is to be completely fair in his assessment. Baertschi’s numbers and posession rates were very similar to Monahan’s when he was sent down last season and remained similar throughout his current stint. In fact, in his very short time back in the NHL he’s one of the better possession players on the team, and even with his slow start here, is still scoring at 0.5 points per game.

      • ChinookArchYYC

        IF Baertschi had a detractor in Flames management is was Burke. From the moment of Burke’s arrival Baertschi was the odd man out. He is the player that Feaster and Weisbrod were talking to him about when Feaster said, “we really like this player” and Burke responded “I don’t”.

        Before Burke’s arrival Baertschi was the golden boy of the franchise. Hartley played him as much as one might expect most rookies to play, and Baertschi was being groomed for NHL success. The moment Burke took full charge of the Flames, the kid was buried in the AHL for the rest of the season, vilified and thrown under the bus. Hartley is not stupid and frankly had little do with this, but when the boss sends a message to you, follow directions.

        I’m not saying Burke was wrong in his assessment, the rookie clearly needed to work on a 200 foot game and had to learn how to work hard on every second of ice time given to him, but making an example of him was uncalled for.

        One thing is clear Baertschi went from a fan favourite to team goat, after Burke took charge.

        • ChinookArchYYC

          To be fair, some of Baertchi’s issues last year were brought on by Sven, himself. And he didn’t earn a spot on the roster to start the season, not to mention sub-par play down in Adirondack. Regardless, I am glad to see he’s up with the big club and playing the way most of us thought he could, given the right opportunity.

        • ChinookArchYYC

          I take totally the opposite view from you. It was Burke that kicked Sven’s ass to get him going. Your golden boy was out for a skate expecting things handed to him. Players are accountable and Burke ensured he had that accountability to play in all zones!

          Good on Burke! Good on Sven for responding!!

          • Kevin R

            Bang on. I would love nothing more than to see Sven be the next player to really step up his game the way Jooris & Gaudreau & Monahan have.

            We really do need to get some of the magic rolling into our defence (one can argue it doesn’t get any more magical with Gio & Brodie) but imagine if we had young players step in & out perform the vets in the 3-6 D spots the way we have a line up of forwards chomping at the bit to getting that shot on the big team. You have to give to get, wondering what would make sense from our point of view.

            I was wondering what it would take to get big Bufugilen out of Winnipeg. Imagine that tree trunk in our 2nd pairing with Russell. His best hockey is on the blue line & Winnipeg seems to not want him there. As a forward, his stock is really dropping. So what would it take to get him if this team is in position to be playoff bound? Really curious what Treliving sees & what he might do to address probably the one big hole that is really holding back this team from a serious playoff run. I don’t think he would have signed Engelland if he knew he truly had one of the best top pairing D in the league. He would have approached the off season a little different. On that train of thought, I don’t think he expected the young prospects on the forwards stepping in & out performing the vets the way they have. Several people have been a little down on BT’s moves but really in all fairness I think he is just finding out what he does have now & the real test will be seeing what moves he makes at the TDL & next years draft. The upcoming West coast road trip really will be a litmus test to see what we really do have here. This has been even more fun than last year so far.

  • Rock

    I sure love teams that prove all the nay sayers wrong this flames team has potential to be in the playoffs. Don’t really know how BB & BT are going to get away without signing Hartly with the culture he has instilled.

      • Mullen Mania

        With the way Hartley has this team playing there are probably a few teams that are also rebuilding/have young rosters that may see him as a very viable option. And not just the young guys either, under him Gio has gone from a very good defender to the early Norris favourite this season. If the Flames don’t renew him I have good feeling he won’t be out of a job long.

      • Don’t think we need to worry about where Hartley will be employed for a while. What coach wouldn’t want to be a part of this team? It’s one of the most exciting groups in the NHL. We feel it as fans, you don’t think he feels it as the coach?

        Plus he gets to stand tall behind the bench with that overly satisfied expression he always has, stroking his ego as the results of his hard work (and the team’s) unfold before his eyes night after night. He gonna be in it to win it my friend.

  • xploD

    Good to see Ramo play himself back into the picture. Jooris, Baertschi, Byron line was Flames best tonight in my opinion. They’re playing way beyond their maturity level.

    Baertschi on the ice with about two minutes left and protecting a lead a really good sign. Hartley could become his champion like he is with Monahan or Gaudreau if Sven keeps playing in all three zones.

    Jones out with another injury? Ferland was 5 or 6 days away Thursday, so does he draw in against the Ducks Tuesday? Despite Jones playing well recently am excited to see Ferland back . He had an excellent first game until he was decked by the elbow.

    Just think if we had a solid 5-6 D. It seems to me Wotherspoon was more solid at the end of last season than either Smid or Engelland and they are a hazard when they’re out there together. If Calgary continues to fight for a playoff spot, I’d like to see “earned not given” put into effect with the D as well as the forwards.

    • MWflames

      Interesting point about wotherspoon. I wonder if he’s a better option than engelland at the moment?

      I know it’s good for him to get minutes, but at what point is playing your better players more important than a young player getting another 7 minutes of ice time on the farm.

  • prendrefeu

    I too am starting to finally trust Hartley to sit and play the players as he sees fit. Sven is maturing big time. I noticed he played the puck deep and went for a chànge with an empty net in the third. That is a classy team first attitude.

    Hartley is building a culture to be reckoned with, I hope they make the playoffs cause i’m feelin some 04 mojo.

  • xploD

    Treliving literally just said they have begun talking about an extension so I wouldn’t worry. Yes Hartley could get another job, but he’s invested so much time into this team and just finally got them this season to completely buy in and play at a whole new level.

    If it was me, no way in HELL would I want to walk away from a project that has been wonderful and is exceedingly beyond expectations. I’m sure he wants to win a Stanley with the team and be named on the best coaches of all time.

  • xploD

    I think a lot of people really didn’t look into our team well enough, not saying I thought we would be this good, there we also a LOT of questions starting the season, but cmon…

    Monahan, Byron, Gaudreau, Granlund, Gio, Brodie, Russell, Hudler, Byron, Bouma, Raymond, Backlund, Colborne, Stajan.

    Not to mention Baertschi, Jooris, Poirier, Arnold, Hanowski, Ferland, Wotherspoon all making cases.

    Look at everyone individually and they are all very good players, I think we just got lost in the questions of how are we gonna score, how do we replace cammy, etc. Instead of seeing the players for who they are AND the massive upside still untouched on many of the players and the REAL potential of the team. Lots of unknowns in the start, but I don’t think this is a fluke, I think it’s a decent group of players getting lifted to a new level by the young infusion of talent, speed, and Hartley.

    Not to mention the 2014 draft class…….

    I think if we continue on the same path or similar we might be the fastest proper rebuild of all time, and hopefully the best.

    • RealMcHockeyReturns

      Good comments here attached that everyone seemed to miss. We (the fans and season ticket holders like me) forgot the Flames have drafted and traded fairly well and have improved their player development efforts greatly so we can truly expect WAY more from guys coming up from the minors (e.g. Jooris) or who have been drafted (Gaudreau). Tonnes of credit to Bob Hartley but I am sure he and management would credit the other coaches and hockey operations people plus less-heralded development guys and minor-league coaching people. I thnk the re-org has been afoot over the past 3-4 years so the Feaster regime deserves some credit for some drafting, trading, and maybe most vitally the increased usage of both video analysis and advanced stats. Obviously when you can say Weisbrod and Feaster figured out to draft Gaudreau in round 4, Baertschi in 13th spot that year, and others plus sign free agents like Russell and Jooris, then you can see they helped form a foundation. And now we see some benefits of it in a more sustained way (I surmise) then the miracle 2004 Flames Cup-run.

    • ChinookArchYYC

      The forward and goalie ranks are looking very good indeed, but the team really needs to shore up the defensive prospects. Many more D prospects are needed.

      • xploD

        True that. I couldn’t imagine if we actually had a decent bottom pairing.

        I hear a lot “we should draft defenseman not BPA, but we’re at the point besides RW that we can still take the BPA and make a lot of trades to address our needs in the soon future and I’m sure a lot of prospects will have good value by then.

  • DoubleDIon

    This club continues to play systems flawlessly. The first goal was weak, but those will happen now and then. The second was an example of how being slow kills you. Having two slow guys together really kills you. Engelland has played about how I expected him to. Diaz isn’t anything special, but at least you get good outlet passes with the shoddy defensive work with him. Our organizational forward depth is excellent. Not so much on the blueline. Smid could be tolerable with a more mobile partner. Wideman can’t skate either, but looks decent with Russell. I’d like to see Smid get an extended look with Diaz.

    Cundari/Wotherspoon/Potter couldn’t be worse than Engelland could they?

    • RealMcHockeyReturns

      Good ideas about the D seriously…. But here’s another idea: Change your screen name…the only Double I think about with Dion Phaneuf is how glad I am he is gone for two reasons: 1) Fools Hogtown hockey fans into thinking they have a stud D-man, and 2) Provides the losership (word play on leadership) to ensure The Maple Walnuts miss the layoffs annually….oh… $8MM (lol) per year also. Maybe the Sutter move to remove “The Dion” was his best move ever.

  • Baceda

    That pass from Bouma on the Granlund goal was a patent Gaudreau move. Enter the zone flying down the wing, slam on the breaks right in front a defender and spin-o-rama pass to a pal streaking down the middle. Glad Bouma is learning tricks from Gaudreau, these guys all seem to be inspiring each other.

    • beloch

      Bouma isn’t the only Flame who’s added the button-hook to his repertoire since Gaudreau made the team. Perhaps Gaudreau is teaching his team-mates a few tricks, or perhaps Hartley is incorporating some skill moves into the team’s system. Whatever the case, if it fools opponents it’s a good thing to see!

  • xploD

    I’ve been noticing Gaudreau playing on the perimeter a lot and forcing passes in transition and powerplay. While he’s still creating opportunities, I’d like to see him drive the net more.

    P.S – How is nobody talking about the battle between the trainers? That was hilarious.

  • mk

    I’m always blown away by Byron’s speed – that little man can FLY! Reminds me of ol’ Lombardi. Tons of breakaways, not always able to bury them.

    Also, I bet Don Cherry will have dreams about Bouma’s goal: shot-blocking, tougher Canadian guy keeps his stick on the ice and drives to the net. Perfect. Nice pass by GlenX too.

  • Grayone

    Last year at this time most of what one read on this sight on Byron was what a terrible trade feaster made with Buffalo, I reminded people he was still young, by the end of the season people were very happy with him. Now there is a love affair.

    When people are critical of Eng lets remember who signed him to a 3 year deal as a place holder or insurance as one of the writers call him. He and Smid together are very poor indeed 5 on 5 yet when they killed penalties last night(ie they did not have to move around) they actually were effective. Truth is if the Flames really want to be a playoff team they must upgrade this tandem without paying to high of a price.

  • MattyFranchise

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: last season Sven and Mickis were given the same minutes and the same circumstances by Hartley. Backlund responded by working hard and becoming the team’s best possession forward and Sven got sent to the Heat.

    I defended the move at the time and I defend it now. It’s good to see that the message has sunk in for Sven early in his call up. Now he’s being rewarded with playing time with Byron. Those two just seem tailor made for each other and I hope it stays that way.

    • Not really.

      Backlund was buried until injuries.

      As noted above, Sven’s numbers were on par with Monahan, then Sven got sent down, Monahan stayed despite being eligible to return to junior. Colborne, big surprise, could do no wrong.

      I don’t get some of these posts where everything management and coaches do is bang-on perfect. When the player struggles, all his fault. If he succeeds, coaching/managing genius.

      Sven needed improvement, but there’s no doubt he was made an example of.

      In regards to Byron, full disclosure, I was dead wrong about the guy. I had him written off 2 summers ago. My enormous bad.

      • Once again, I am in full agreement with you. If Burke’s words were actually the things that got Sven playing better (words that were said a year ago), then WHY THE HELL is he not calling Engelland or Setoguchi out in public? Those 2 have been dreadful all year. If management is really having such an enlightening effect on players, maybe they could share their expertise with the Flames’ worst players?

        • There is no need to call out Engellend or Setoguchi. MGMT (and none of us) should have any illusions surrounding who these guys are. They have different expectations on them than Sven, who was brought in as a champion and once viewed as the “savior” of this club. We were (and still are?) hoping that Sven sticks around for a long long time. Nobody wants that for Engellend or Setoguchi. Apples to oranges.