Post-Game: The Loser Point

The Calgary Flames finally earned another point – their first since their OT win against Colorado on December 4 – via a 3-2 overtime loss against Vancouver. So ends 17 point-less days this month, and hopefully a sign that the tide is turning.

They’re back in action on Monday night in Los Angeles in their last game before the Christmas break.

THE RUNDOWN

I’ll admit, I was at a Christmas party tonight so I didn’t watch much more than half of the game. I caught both regulation Vancouver goals, and all I can say it this: Calgary’s entire rough patch can be summed up in Dennis Wideman scoring on his own net from 200 feet away (on a pass to Mason Raymond that #21 biffed on).

But the Flames managed to eke back into it, so you have to commend both score effects and Calgary’s ability to rally back (and Vancouver’s to allow a rally). No shock at all that one of the goal-scorers was Johnny Gaudreau.

So, in short: an own-goal, two too many men penalties and giving up the OT winner 18 seconds into extra time? Yeesh.

WHY THE FLAMES LOST

From what little I saw and the numbers, Calgary got out-played. Granted, they were a team on the back end of a back to back (with travel), but Vancouver had more shots, more shot attempts and won more face-offs. Most of the time, that’s a recipe for success.

RED WARRIOR

David Jones had the goal that kicked off the comeback and led the Flames in shots. He’s been strong lately and this sounds like it was yet another good outing for #19.

Honourable mention to Deryk Engelland, who was a goal short of a Gordie Howe hat trick.

SCORING CHANCES

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Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Away 1 19:26 Glencross 8 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 19 20 60 5v5
Home 1 16:37 13 3 13 18 20 30 36 1 4 6 17 23 24 5v5
Away 1 16:29 Gaudreau tip 3 13 18 20 30 36 1 4 6 17 23 24 5v5
Away 1 13:27 Jooris 3 18 22 30 33 1 4 6 19 32 86 4v5
Home 1 11:46 Richardson 3 7 15 18 27 30 1 4 6 13 23 24 5v5
Home 1 10:37 Vrbata goal 14 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 32 60 5v4
Home 1 9:45 52 3 14 18 30 51 53 1 8 21 29 33 86 5v5
Away 1 7:27 Giordano 3 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 13 23 24 5v5
Away 1 7:06 Monahan 3 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 21 23 24 5v5
Home 1 5:29 Dorsett 8 14 23 30 51 53 1 4 6 17 32 60 5v5
Away 1 3:45 Monahan 3 17 18 22 30 33 1 5 6 13 19 23 5v5
Home 1 1:18 Burrows 3 13 14 18 30 1 4 6 8 20 21 4v5
Home 2 18:42 Higgins 3 13 18 20 30 36 1 4 6 13 32 86 5v5
Away 2 13:24 Monahan 8 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 21 23 32 5v5
Home 2 11:23 Henrik tip 3 14 18 22 30 33 1 4 6 20 24 60 5v5
Home 2 11:05 Daniel 8 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 6 13 20 86 5v5
Home 2 10:50 Vrbata 14 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 17 18 5v4
Away 2 10:38 Bouma 14 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 17 18 5v4
Home 2 8:48 Daniel 8 14 22 23 30 33 1 4 8 13 29 60 5v5
Away 2 7:42 Deflection 5 8 14 17 30 53 1 4 19 20 29 60 5v5
Away 2 7:33 Jones goal 5 8 14 17 30 53 1 4 19 20 29 60 5v5
Home 2 7:03 Bonino 3 7 13 18 20 30 1 4 13 24 29 86 5v5
Away 2 6:03 Byron 8 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 21 23 32 5v5
Home 2 5:02 Scrum 3 15 18 27 30 51 1 4 6 19 20 60 5v5
Away 2 4:03 Raymond 3 7 13 20 23 30 1 4 21 23 29 32 5v5
Away 2 2:51 Colborne 3 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 8 17 18 5v5
Away 2 2:50 Scrum 3 17 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 8 17 18 5v5
Home 2 1:29 Vey 7 8 13 20 23 30 1 4 6 21 23 32 5v5
Away 3 16:30 Jones 3 17 18 22 30 33 1 5 19 20 29 60 5v5
Home 3 15:19 Higgins 5 6 7 15 27 30 1 4 21 23 29 32 5v5
Away 3 13:28 Gaudreau 5 6 13 14 20 30 1 4 13 24 29 86 5v5
Away 3 12:57 Gaudreau goal 5 6 13 14 20 30 1 4 13 24 29 86 5v5
Home 3 11:17 Bonino 3 13 18 20 30 51 1 5 7 8 17 18 5v5
Home 3 9:41 Vey 3 6 7 13 20 30 1 4 8 23 29 5v4
Home 3 9:39 6 3 6 7 13 20 30 1 4 8 23 29 5v4
Away 3 9:23 Monahan 3 6 7 13 20 30 1 5 7 8 23 5v4
Home 3 9:07 Matthias 3 5 7 13 27 30 1 5 7 8 18 20 5v5
Away 3 4:24 Hudler 8 13 14 23 30 1 5 7 13 24 86 4v5
Home 3 2:47 Matthias 5 6 15 27 30 1 4 7 13 24 86 4v5
Home 3 2:24 Richardson 5 6 7 15 27 30 1 5 7 17 18 19 5v5
Home 4 4:44 8 goal 8 22 23 30 33 1 5 7 32 86 4v4
# Player EV PP SH
1 HILLER, JONAS   15 16   2 2   2 4
4 RUSSELL, KRIS 19:08 6 10 02:47 1 2 02:38 0 2
5 GIORDANO, MARK 19:22 9 5 03:02 1 0 03:45 2 2
6 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 15:41 2 8 02:54 1 1 00:00 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 19:57 7 4 03:17 1 1 04:13 2 2
8 COLBORNE, JOE 12:05 2 4 01:33 0 1 01:28 1 2
13 GAUDREAU, JOHNNY 13:28 4 5 03:39 1 1 00:00 0 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 10:29 3 4 00:00 0 0 02:56 1 1
18 STAJAN, MATT 08:59 2 3 00:00 0 0 01:47 1 1
19 JONES, DAVID 11:20 5 2 00:19 1 0 00:00 0 0
20 GLENCROSS, CURTIS 12:24 4 4 01:57 0 1 00:00 0 0
21 RAYMOND, MASON 12:35 4 3 02:02 0 1 00:00 0 0
23 MONAHAN, SEAN 14:32 7 4 03:09 0 0 00:57 1 2
24 HUDLER, JIRI 11:50 5 4 03:23 1 1 00:00 0 0
29 ENGELLAND, DERYK 12:40 6 4 00:00 0 0 02:10 0 2
32 BYRON, PAUL 10:43 3 5 00:19 1 0 01:59 0 1
33 DIAZ, RAPHAEL 08:54 0 1 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
60 GRANLUND, MARKUS 11:57 4 4 00:05 0 0 01:52 0 1
86 JOORIS, JOSH 13:19 2 5 01:34 2 1 01:47 0 0
Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 6 6 5 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
2 8 8 7 7 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
3 5 7 3 4 1 1 0 0 1 2 0 0
4 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

ZONE ENTRIES

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SUM IT UP

Calgary is now 17-15-3 through 35 games. They complete their pre-Christmas schedule on Monday night in Los Angeles against Darryl Sutter’s LA Kings.

    • SSB1963

      I may not have the most popular opinion on this site but last time I called Pike out on his sloppy and incomplete articles they IP banned me (probably because I’m right). I was just wondering why parts of the FGD were missing or inaccurate, definitely not proof-read, and why every other writer seems to have more detailed and coherent articles. Like in the last write-up, where you failed to include Vancouver’s record, and then this dribble, and you didn’t even watch the game.

      But you are right anyway. Flames were sloppy and deserved to lose. Did I mention it’s only a one hour flight from Calgary? These men are professional athletes, not little girls. Let’s make some trades, line changes, and bribg up sone kids from Addy.

      • Hacker

        I too was banned by the morons that run this site but anyone with half a brain can work around it. Sigh.

        Yeah, WTF with this article? I hope that whoever wrote it gets paid what they deserve. LOL

        The Flames were playing far above their heads for a few weeks and anyone who has followed hockey for a few years knows that after the Christmas break leaders usually become followers as the games tighten up.

        At least Edmonton will get a better pick for their futility. Hehehehehe.

        Stay the course and be condemned to draft poorly and out of the playoffs for the next dozen years.

  • jeremywilhelm

    “I was at a Christmas party and didn’t watch more than half the game.” (and you can imagine how well he watched that half) And you are providing an analysis of the game? Why doesn’t FN use a writer that actually watched the game to write the post game analysis? Just a thought.

      • jeremywilhelm

        Not sure if that was directed at me but if it was, I did watch the game thanks, and that’s why I can discuss it intelligently, unlike someone who didn’t watch the game but writes about it. I’m thinking more of the Flame fans who woke up this morning to read an analysis of the game from someone who watched it.

    • BitGeek

      There’s been some pretty good pre game summaries and post game analysis over at MatchsticksandGasoline if you’re looking for a change. I’ve been going over there myself recently. Seems like a lot of detail goes into their articles.

  • supra steve

    I agree with Don Cherry the Flames need to get tougher! I don’t believe the McGratts and Bolig are the answers…..

    GlenX – McGrats – Byron – Stajan……bye bye

    Ferland – Wolf – Poirier – Arnold……..hello

    • Hacker

      You stand to be corrected…for the Flames to be in Oil Country they would require an additional 7 years of pathetic basement finishes, would require 1st overall draft choices only to fail miserably at building around young talent, they would require incompetent coaching, management and leadership and incoherent ownership……have a good day now.

      • Burnward

        Thank you,points taken…I stand corrected. The flames way is the better way. All the Oilers have given us fans is a chance to work on our long suffering and patience…something I can use! We are all looking forward to seeing the team play in a new building…maybe they will be somewhat competitive by then! Thanks again and you have a good day, too.

      • Kevin R

        Get your facts straight genius! Typical, frustrated flameout fan knowing full well what lies ahead! No easy route when a rebuild has been declared. Look at Colorado for proof. Rebuild for Oil has been since 2010 draft & I’ve always said the Oiler rebuild can be judged in 2017 when the core & trades to fill holes has had time to gel.

        The flames are basically a veteran team yet (especially goal)who are just starting to get some traction from a couple young guys. They will have bumps in their development yet, for proof see Baertschi & Reinhart.

        Now you have a nice day & believe me there will still be a lot of pain during your rebuild!

        • Kevin R

          What he said was pretty factual & that is not even getting into the debate of when the Oil actually started their scorched earth rebuild after their unsuccessful retool. The last of “3” 1st overall picks is in what D + 3 season now? & the thing is, the 3 #1 overalls were all consensus picks. So by now, why is the team still 30th overall? Failing to improve on these 3 sure seems to be a case of incompetent coaching, management & an incoherent Owner. Just what he said.

          • SSB1963

            I’ve looked at the last 3 successful rebuilds using draft picks as the core & then the obvious trades & free agent signings that come after that. Those successful rebuilds would be Pittsburgh, Chicago & LA. Line them up side by side, put the draft picks in the years they were drafted & when they eventually won the Cup & you’ll see what I mean. Do the same with the flames who are still accumulating drafts & you’ll get a good idea of when to judge the results of their rebuild. All those teams had very poor records as well during their rebuild so this is nothing really out of the ordinary. Needless to say this coming trade deadline & off season will be a very active one for the Oilers. But I still won’t be pulling my hair out until I judge the results in 2017!

          • SSB1963

            Actually that is pretty easy all you have to do is look at our drafting in the second and later rounds. The scouting staff just plain sucks and needs to be revamped.

        • BitGeek

          Must be difficult supporting a loser for 9 years with no hope in site. Looks like it’s having an impact on your weekend…..have a nice day now…..and try not to watch any Oiler games if you can help it!!

  • MWflames

    Did you guys ever pay for this site? Was a certain level of service or product ever promised to you??

    Looks like childish entitlement to me.

    If you want to share some constructive criticism, send him an email.

    • My thoughts exactly.

      Guys, stop panicking. IMO, things are pretty close to where they are supposed to be. I was pretty sure that they were better than last year but not good enough to get in the playoffs. I may be wrong about the playoffs or maybe this team is, as predicted, mediocre and we stay the course with the drafting and developing.

      The last thing we should do is sell off the future for a chance at the playoffs this year.

  • Hacker

    I love Gio, but that bone headed rush deep into the canucks end in the first few seconds of OT cost the Flames the game. It’s because of plays like that, that he will never win a Norris. Weber or Doughty would have never done that. Mind you, I could see Suban doing it and he won a Norris, so maybe I’ll be wrong some day.

    • Burnward

      Are you kidding me? Earlier this season Doughty went 200 feet up the ice for a goal. Admittedly, his shot went in, but it was still a extremely similar play.

  • Kevin R

    Notes from my perspective:

    -Hiller played a very good game, not for that horse crap bad luck goal, we had a 2-1 win.

    -going down 2-0, with a goal like they had gotten, to come back & tie that game is commendable. We had our chances, especially in that 3rd period,

    -Vancouver are a 1 line team, even if they do make the playoffs, they are going to get shutdown

    -that overtime goal was unlucky, the goal itself was pretty tough for Hiller to have stopped, it was that lucky friggin bounce of Gio’s shot went off Millers blocker, Off the left side of the net boards out the other side & right on Edlers stick & the transition was away.

    -confidence level is probably at the lowest we have seen from this team this year. When you are confident, you play up to your skill level, when you aren’t, well you play down to a safe conservative level as we witnessed in the final 22 seconds. I totally understand the mindset of Gio & Brodie at that point. We’ve worked hard despite the horrible luck, let’s get the point & then roll the dice. Unfortunately they came up snake eyes.

    -not sure if it’s again linked to the confidence, if it’s fatigue from playing 25+ minutes a game through an NHL grind or what, but our D are not involved as offensively as they were earlier in the year. Not seeing the real fast transition from Gio/Brodie/Russell where they are rocketing up the ice & the forwards were getting into strategic passing & shooting areas. Maybe the opposition are learning from the game films & Hartley needs to adjust. Probably teams are keying on Brodie & Gio & making it much more difficult to play the style we were excelling at. If we could counter something from our 2nd pairing to take some of the heat off Brodano, that would be huge.

    Overall, we were not embarrassed that game, we got all the chances on the road we would have needed to pull out a win. Not bad.

    I agree about some shuffling. We really do need need what Bollig & Mcgrats ares supposed to bring, but they need to bring that + ability to have very good scoring chances. I loved Boumas game, he’s on my team all day long. Stajan did nothing for me nor Raymond, so much for a scoring 4th line, very little energy & even fewer scoring chances. I am another Wolf advocate, lets see this kid brought up for a few games & maybe bring another jolt of that youth nectar these kids seem to energize our team with.

    Yes I would like to see BT make some moves to clear space for 3-4 kids we are all chomping at the bit for. God I would love to see Monahan get some exciting wingers to play with. Unfortunately, unless we see injuries, that won’t be happening for about 6-8 weeks & any magical playoffs we were starting to anticipate will be long gone. That will be when this team will be one of the most dangerous teams to play against in the home stretch, similar to last year. Silver lining is I see this team falling to 22-23rd place (I hate you Rex, you predicted this) but with a not bad reasonable lottery chance & a guaranteed excellent young player next draft. 18 months ago we blew up our core & had no idea who the next one will be. Today, I declare we have started to see our core being formed & its just started & we can see more coming. All good!!

  • KiLLKiND

    Hey guys on the bright we did manage to score 3 goals! although 1 was against our self but lets not get too caught up on that. During our 8 game losing streak we scored 3 goals only once (Buffalo), 2 goals three times, (San Jose, New York Rangers, and Vancouver) and only scored 1 goal four different times (Toronto, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Dallas) Quite simply while our goaltending hasn’t been amazing during this stretch our shooting percentage over the past 8 games is 5.3% 13 goals on 245 shots. Which any team will struggle to win with.

  • Rockmorton65

    Every game I watch, I keep thinking “we gotta get Johnny someone who can finish consistently”. Not our only issue or even our biggest one, but when we do, that kid is going to be a superstar.

  • Hacker

    Flames Twitter account tweeting about flames merchandise after a loss that saw an own goal and possibly 3 too many men on the ice penalties is comedic.

    Josh jooris isn’t a second line centre.

    Hartleys not being intellectually honest when he says this is the same group that experienced success in the beginning of the season, mostly the same but not the same. Seems to forget Sven and ferland were in the line up, conveniently forgets…

    Flames need a refresher in what type of player Sven is. “Sven is a competitor who isn’t afraid to take the puck to the front of the net, scores in the hard areas in the offensive zone”-at the draft. look at his scoring chances, his goals and where he mostly sets up goals, mostly right in front of the net. Seems like exactly the type of player the flames need to improve their quality scoring chances. I think he’s somewhere around 1g, 2a and +4 since his return to the ahl. As a team the addy flames have 5-1-1or so in their past games. Also the flames were about 11-4 prior to returning him to addy.

    Sven makes players around him better, had great chemistry with monahan, and got Byron going when they were on the same line, Byron’s ACTUAL production wasn’t there before and wasn’t there after…maybe it is a coincidence but not imo.

    Too bad Hartley too biased to give Sven consistent ice, or a legit opportunity to succeed, earned never given seems to only apply for a few. Seems to me he’s exactly the type player the flames should developing at the nhl level.

    Flames are 0-8 in their last 8, And Hartley seems pretty ok with the way his teams playing, what does he care he’s gonna get paid.

    The culture change has everything to do with players that want to prove themselves and get paid( nothing wrong with that, as long as the effort doesn’t drop off)and less to do with Hartley at the helm, imo. If flames players are held to such a high standard of earned not given shouldn’t coaches and management be also held to the standard?

    Creating a healthy competition within the team is important, but Theres also a fine line you must tread because it can also cause division on your team.

    This losing streak has the potential to be the worst in the league this year, worst than edmontons, which says a lot.

    Flames have played pretty much the same systems for the past couple of years, so the argument that teams have played the flames differently during their recent losing streak, to me, is lipstick on a pig or not accurate.

    Go Flames

    • Burnward

      Who did you think this team was going to be?

      Around .500 at Christmas ain’t too shabby for a club that lost their three most experienced centers for an extended length of time.