Five things: The more things change

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(author’s note: if you regularly complain about how negative i can be, don’t read this post)

1. Getting Bennett

Given all the different rankings of the top four prospects in the league, it really wouldn’t have been too shocking to anyone if any of those guys went in any particular spot. That Sam Bennett fell to Calgary, though, is perhaps the least surprising because he couldn’t do a pull-up and he’s not a big center like Leon Draisaitl and he’s not a bigger defenseman like Aaron Ekblad.

That this was the No. 4 prospect in the mix is something, I think, that is very good for the Flames. The kid turned 18 just days before he was drafted (he’s a June 20, 1996 birthdate), making him some eight months younger than Draisaitl, seven months younger than Sam Reinhart, and four months younger than Ekblad. In some ways, you have to think that gives him a little extra value, even beyond the fact that he still scored a boatload of points, and led all draft-eligible players in even-strength points per 60 with 3.5. (Draisaitl checked in at 2.9, Reinhart at 2.8.)

This is a very nice get for the Flames at No. 4 because it wouldn’t have been out of the question to take him at No. 1. The team should be very excited, because three years from now, a 1-2 punch down the middle of Bennett and Sean Monahan will probably be very solid indeed.

With that having been said, for the love of god keep him in junior next year. Like, 100 percent, make sure he is back with Kingston next year getting heavier minutes against better competition. Maybe let his strength improve to a place where he can do one (1) pull-up. That’s what should happen.

Again, I know it will never happen. And I know that people think because Monahan scored 22 goals that his being up with the big club for the duration was viewed as a success, but even if you look at it from a strictly-hockey standpoint (and you shouldn’t), you have to consider that his sky-high shooting percentage isn’t going to be replicated now or ever, and his piss-poor possession numbers are only going to continue. On a team that got buried every night in possession, Monahan got buried-er, and that was against some of the softest competition Bob Hartley could find him. Among forwards, only Brian McGrattan had it easier.

I bring this up because if you keep Bennett with the big club for all 82, he’s going to face the same fate. And he’s probably not going to shoot almost 16 percent, so there goes the production angle.

Beyond the hockey-playing, though, there’s also the fact that, as with Monahan last year, you’re burning a year of Bennett’s entry-level deal on a season in which this team is going to be a tire fire. Probably better than last year — mainly because Hiller can’t be as bad as what the clown car in the crease provided last year (but we’ll get to that in a minute) — but let’s say they finish eighth from the bottom of the league. 

What’s the point? And “experience against NHLers” isn’t a valid answer.

2. The rest of the draft

This is why I have significant concerns about Treliving’s ability to make good decisions in player evaluation. As the comparison goes, a potato could have drafted Bennett, and if he works out that’s going to paper over the fact that the rest of the draft was a disaster.

For one thing, you don’t pick a goalie that high. Let alone based on one U-18 tournament, which seems to have been the case with Mason MacDonald. I’ve never seen the kid play — and boy do you hear that a lot about every prospect you think wasn’t worth the pick, as though those naysaying the naysayers all saw Johnny Gaudreau play a few dozen times before he got drafted out of the USHL so now they can say, “See, I knew it.” — but I have seen Thatcher Demko play a bunch and if you’re going to take a goalie there (you shouldn’t), doesn’t it stand to reason that you take the kid who put up better stats playing against grown men than someone who got lit up in the Q? Whatever, it’s dumb to draft a goalie that high, so if you’re basically throwing the pick away regardless, I guess there’s not much of a difference.

Then there’s Hunter Smith who, why waste a pick on a guy who’s big and tough? The Sharks proved yesterday if you want you can get one for real cheap and it doesn’t cost you a shot at controlling the rights to a player who might actually be good one day. The guy can’t score in junior. When your career upside seems to be AHL fourth-liner, maybe don’t waste a second-round pick on him. Ludicrous.

Outside of that, the draft is mostly teams taking fliers on players. If they work out, great. The vast majority of them don’t. Really can’t bother criticizing any of them too much unless they’re Hunter Smith types, because you should never draft guys who can’t score in junior.

3. Signing Hiller

In theory, adding a goalie who’s fairly reliable in his averageness is something that the Flames should have done a long time ago. I am not, however, sure why they did it now.

A thing this team doesn’t need is a 32-year-old goaltender who is going to actually be good. Again, I don’t see the point if he’s still going to get lit up every night, because of how bad the Flames are going to be. They had a goalie, more or less. All they needed was a backup. Karri Ramo posted the exact same save percentage as Jonas Hiller last year, so there’s no real reason to bring aboard a $4.5 million player for two years to do the exact same thing as the guy you’re already paying $2.75 million.

Maybe Ramo regresses a little bit under the weight of more games, but the Flames really couldn’t have asked for much more from him. And moreover, they should want to ask less from him (or Hiller) because the smartest thing they can do right now from an organizational standpoint is be bad. Fans don’t want to hear that but it’s true. Want a better chance at being the future home of Jack Eichel or Connor McDavid? Having a good team save percentage doesn’t help.

A redundant move and little else, probably done for no other reason but to get to the cap floor. That really isn’t the best way to run a team.

4. Signing Engelland and trading for Bollig

Uuuuuuuuuuugggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh wwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

5. Signing Raymond

Now this is a deal I like and I get. Mason Raymond is a good, solid hockey player. He’s coming to his hometown. Nice all around.

He drives play forward pretty well (plus-1.2 corsi relative for his career, which you take). But I have seen him being characterized as a scorer, and if you think that about Mason Raymond I have some bad, bad news for you.

He’s going to put up 40-something points, no doubt about that, but if that’s what you think is even a second-line forward’s production, you’re a little off on that. Since his career began, his points per 60 is in Dave Bolland, Olli Jokinen territory, RJ Umberger territory, and David Legwand territory. In short, not great. Not bad, but he’s not going to drive the bus for you going forward.

I like the signing overall, and I’m glad he got three years, and the money seems more or less correct for a “Please sign here we need help” contract. Fine with it across the board. But a “scorer” isn’t really a good descriptor. On the Flames? Sure, he’ll be like top-3 in points I bet. But not overall.

What I’m saying is: Don’t get your hopes up.

  • nikkomsgb

    My god Lambert, everything you write is dour and depressing.

    You’re writing from the perspective of someone that watches games on Sportsnet in their basement and has nothing invested in the team. As a season ticket holder you’re torn between wanting a crap team that get us a shot at the first two picks…but on the flip side you can’t help think about how crap it is spending $6000 to watch your team get filled every night. in that scenario going to games is a chore and a waste of time and money.

    I would be alarmed if the draft was deep and they drafted plugs, but this draft was filled with unknowns. Furthermore for all the poo pooing on the Burke mantra of getting bigger….have you seen our roster and prospects lately? How many forwards at 5’8″ can we have? I’m not denying that skill is vital, but drafting little forwards with slightly above average skill won’t do anything for us in the West.

    Last year was amazing in accomplishing that almost perfectly. Here’s to another fun year, with the prize being a top two pick.

    • I know you’re exaggerating, but how many 5’8″ forwards do we have right now?

      I think this whole argument about getting bigger is somewhat absurd. Outside of Gaudreau and Baertschi, most of our top prospects are not small. Klimchuk is ‘only’ 5’11”, but Monahan, Bennett, Poirier, Colborne, Backlund, Arnold, Reinhart, Granlund, Hanowski, Agostino are all at least 6’0″.

      Sure, who wouldn’t want a Kopitar? But you only get highly skilled players who are 6’2″/6’3″ through the draft. So I on’t really buy this argument of having to “surround your skill players with beef.” It’s why I don’t mind Colborne whenhe’s on the wing and I don’t mind drafting Hunter Smith, but just shake my head at the complete uselness of players like Bollig and Engelland.

      I might give yo Byron too, but lets see if we bring him back first or not.

  • beloch

    Re: McDonald at #34

    I was initially aghast, but the flamesfrom80feet article made me change my view

    In short, scouts aren’t completely hopeless at projecting goalie careers. Goalies picked early have a significantly better chance of turning into NHL goalies than those found in the later rounds. Yes, you can point to goalies like Lundqvist and say, since he was picked #205 overall, why waste early picks on goalies? Well, you can do that with players in other positions too.

    Kent did make one very good point not addressed in that article though: Goalies are all or nothing. A forward picked #34 who is less successful might still be a useful fourth liner, while there’s no such thing as a useful but less than successful goalie. However, the 26% success rate for goalies chosen first in the draft (as McDonald was) is not that far behind the odds of even moderate success for other positions (around 1 in 3). Given the importance of the position, it’s a worthy gamble to obtain a franchise-quality goalie.
    :
    I’m okay with this pick now.

    Re: The rest of the draft

    I too felt there was a troubling focus on size. After two very disapointing seasons Hunter Smith took a huge step forward last season, so it’s unclear what his offensive output will be like next year. If he continues to develop at that pace he could become a legitimate prospect. He’s a gamble, to be sure, just like any kid picked #54 overall. Were better players available? That’s a certainty, but we won’t know which ones until a couple of years have passed and we can put our 20/20 hindsight glasses on. I’d have liked to see some small, high-skill guys taken later in the draft, but it was beefcake all the way down.

    Re: Hiller

    Ramo struggled badly at the start of last season, and clearly took some time both to adapt to the NHL and establish himself as the starter. His late season performance was actually pretty good, and brought his season average up to league average. If he plays an entire season like the second half of last season, Hiller will be the backup. His contract is a non-issue. This season, it only helps the Flames reach the floor. It’s term neatly coincides with when Ortio can be expected to graduate to the NHL full time and Gillies can take over in Adirondack.

    During the Kipper era, the Flames had a tradition of having one excellent (or sometimes average) goalie and a hot mess of a backup that would almost never be allowed off the bench. Kipper was so good that, in a lot of seasons, this worked surprisingly well. However, it’s not something everyone in the league does. A lot of teams try to keep two competent goalies in their stables at all times. While it’s unclear if Ramo has what it takes to be elite, the Ramo/Hiller tandem is the first competent pair the Flames have had in a long, long time.

    Does competent goal tending mean the Flames are out of the McDavid sweepstakes? They were never in them. Seriously, it’s going to be a tall order to suck hard enough to wrestle the top pick from Buffalo. The Flames have two top six picked centers. That’s going to have to do the job.

    Re: Raymond

    Raymond used to be a good possession player, but he’s been in the passenger seat for the last few seasons. His possession stats were okay when playing with the Canucks and awful when playing with the Leafs. If the Flames expect him to provide shelter for other lines Raymond is going to get hammered. Given a little shelter he should add to the Flames offence, and that need was pretty dire indeed. I view him as a consolation prize for losing Cammalleri. Clearly inferior, but better than nothing.

    • DragonFlame

      Re: Raymond

      “Raymond used to be a good possession player, but he’s been in the passenger seat for the last few seasons. His possession stats were okay when playing with the Canucks and awful when playing with the Leafs.”

      I am no anaytics expert (at all), but I will ask the question, anyway:

      How many players on the Leafs had good possession stats last year? Weren’t the Leafs possession stats even worse than Calgary’s? If so, would it not stand to reason that if a team sucks in this particular regard, that Raymond’s stats would also have suffered?

      • seve927

        Yeah, I thought that was a strange comment by beloch. Raymond was well ahead of a bad Leafs team in terms of possession numbers. He didn’t play against real tough opposition, but he did start in the D zone a lot. I don’t expect him to be driving possession, but I definitely don’t think he’d be dragging anyone down. When he was on the ice with Gardiner or Kadri, they actually had a positive Corsi (ZS adjusted). I expect him to be similar to Byron – holds his own with good linemates.

  • Parallex

    Not sure why everyone is hating on Engelland and Bollig so much. I thought we needed some functional toughness… functional could be argued here though…. my Philly and Pits fans friends seem to think Engelland is serviceable.

    And about his contract… with respects to contracts I think everyone is living in the past. 3.5 mill is the average salary now so in essence we got a below average player for a below average salary… seems to make sense. Not enough talent in the league..every team has players like Bollig and Engelland… especially playoff teams it would seem.

    If size and toughness dont matter then why are all the top teams so big and tough?

    As far as the Bollig trade is concerned… he might actually have more to his game. We traded a pick in a weak draft for a guy who will play games.

    Were these great moves. No. But they were done to fill out the bottom of the roster… so they really arent a big deal either way.

    • DragonFlame

      If you log onto the Flames website and hit “Flames TV” you can search Bollig and see the guy scored some nice goals last year. I am not going to say he’s a sniper, by any means, but it’s not like he stood in front of the net while goals were deflected in off his arse.

      Like you, I don’t understand why everyone is up in arms over Derek Engelland. Even if the Flames brought in the second coming of Al MacInnis, they’d still be bad. Treliving freely admits they overpaid to bring him aboard. He’s a body, he’s a defenseman, and with any luck, won’t cost the Flames a higher draft pick by playing too well.

      As for Monahan’s shooting percentage (and Lambert’s contention this can’t be maintained) most of Monahan’s goals came from in tight. So, if Monny can’t repeat 16%, he’ll just have to start shooting more. He should be a bit bigger and a bit stronger heading into camp. Of course, there’s the “sophomore jinx” hanging over him.

      Oh yeah, one more thing:

      Why (after years of seeing the Oilers and other crap teams reap the rewards of high draft picks for being bad), do the powers-that-be in this league finally decide to “take a look,” at draft standing procedures right when it’s the Flames first real opportunity to land a major player?

      Here’s why:

      The Flames play in a sold out building and command big ticket prices while southern-based teams play in front of half-capacity crowds and charge ticket prices more in line for a Stamps’ game.

    • DragonFlame

      I replied to this previously, and cyber space deleted my comment!

      Check out Flames TV, and search Bollig. The guy scored some nice goals last year. It’s not like he was standing in front of the net and having pucks hit him in the butt before finding their way past a bewildered goalie.

      As for Engelland . . . I hope he proves all the naysayers here wrong.

      • DragonFlame

        Im not sure that possession is really the right way to evaluate guys like Engellan. They are there to defend. Possession is just a snap shot. If you are not hiring a guy to drive possession then it is a little difficult to blame that player for not driving possession.

        If Engelland was good enough for Pitsburgh then Ill give him a shot before I pass judgement. Same for Bollig… I like that we are signing guys off of good teams.

        We signed guys short term and have tons of cap space to add players over the next two seasons. Treliving didnt knock it out of the park but these signings dont set us back.

        • DragonFlame

          You are comparing a guy who pretty much only fights with a guy who brings other things to the table.

          Lastly, has Colton Orr ever been part of a Stanley Cup winning team?

          • DragonFlame

            Lastly, has Colton Orr ever been part of a Stanley Cup winning team?

            This is even more irrelevant than your nice goals argument. Jarome Iginla has never played for a Stanley Cup winning team either. Bollig obviously is better than him.

            Please.

          • DragonFlame

            Dumb.

            Please.

            Now you are using Jarome (instead of Colton Orr) to justify your dislike for Bollig?

            Please.

            Jarome accomplished nothing where it comes to the playoffs. Kiprusoff stood on his head for a mediocre team that had no business battling for the Stanley Cup to begin with.

            Please.

            Game Seven . . . Stanley Cup Finals . . . check the stats . . . . it was zeroes across the board for “Jerry.”

            Please.

            When you start an argument comparing a so-called goon vs another so-called goon then bring in Jarome with what you think is a sledgehammer, end-of-debate exclamation point . . .

            Please.

          • seve927

            I’m doing nothing of the kind. You thought that a couple nice goals proved that Bollig was more than a thug. They do not, and I used Orr to demonstrate that that was not the case–AND YOU AGREED!!! You said that Orr was nothing but a thug. That is a true statement.

            But then you said that Bollig must be more because he played for a cup-winning team. I said that was irrelevant. I then indulged in an ill-advised ad absursum argument where I postulated that you must think Bollig is automatically better than Iginla, who has also never played for a cup winning team.

            But in that last reply, the way you put down Iginla implies that you actually do think Bollig is better than Iginla because the Lightning managed to shut Iggy down in one game.

            Bollig looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and moves like a duck. But hey, he scored a couple dandies and played 10minutes a night for the Blackhawks. He must really be a moose.

            Goog grief.

          • DragonFlame

            Nonsense.

            If you think for one second that I THINK Bollig is going to make up for the goals the team lost when Cammi signed with NJ, you are sadly mistaken.

            What is so wrong with the Bollig signing? He cost the Flames an eighty-something pick in the draft. Who cares?

            As for Iggy, you brought him in to the argument, not me. Iggy had one glorious run, but was it due to his exploits or Kippers? I would suggest it was far more of the latter.

            What has Iginla done in two kicks at the cat since he left the Flames (never mind Iggy probably cost Feaster his job when he undermined a deal where Jay had spent a considerable amount of time working something out with Boston).

            Iggy couldn’t even help Boston get past the Canadiens!

            That wasn’t his fault, right?

            Iggy also failed getting Pittsburgh past Boston.

            But, yeah, Iggy is a winner and he just chooses the wrong place at the wrong time.

            There are ten players in the Flames’ system right now I would rather have than Jarome.

            Giordanno, Brodie, Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Wotherspoon, Poirier, Baertschi, Granlund and Bollig.

            Iginla?

            Nice job crapping all over a team and city that treated him like a king during his stay (until Iggy decided at the trade deadline last year none of that mattered).

  • seve927

    I didn’t like the MacDonald pick either. Or I guess I should say the goalie pick, because I do actually like MacDonald. But how many teams actually have a goalie that they drafted high be there when they’re competitive? Carey Price is the one shining example. MAF I think most feel is a big reason the Penguins haven’t won more. Lundqvist and Quick are the most influential goalies right now, drafted in 3rd and 7th round. Some of the other top goalies – Rask, Bernier, Varlamov – were traded for at a decent price, and many have been acquired for next to nothing (Ben Bishop, and I’m sure someone who wants to spend some time can add many others).

    Defense is the position where depth is hard to come by. That’s why playoff teams are always trading for them at the deadline. I don’t care if 50% of goalies picked turn out to be starters, all the more reason not to bother picking them! There are lots around. You never know who’s going to be great any particular year, so go with what you can get. It’s hard to wait on a goalie to see what you’ve got. The org already has two good prospects, and just signed a solid NHLer for nothing but money.

    So then we waste our next second rounder on a 6 foot 7 winger. We’re drafting size and hoping he can develop skill. I was fine with the Jankowski pick. I think it’s much more reasonable to draft high skill with a big frame you think can fill out into an NHL body than the other way around. How many forwards over 6 foot 6 are there? One or two? I think there’s such a thing as too big. A defenceman I can see going a little bigger, because there’s something to be said for just taking up space. Giant forwards are not what the big teams in the West are built on. They are outstanding hockey players who also happen to be pretty large men.

    Second rounders were made for 3-4 defensemen, and we haven’t drafted any, except maybe Sieloff and Wotherspoon, we’ll see how they turn out. I really wanted one of the first rounders last year to be a defenseman. Now we skip the second round this year as well. Hickey looks like a decent pick, but as always, we will have to wait and see.

    Maybe they have an alternate plan to bolster the defense. I would actually prefer that, as I think you need your D developed ahead of your forwards. If they can turn some of our glut of LW and C prospects into legit top 4 D, I’ll take all of this back.

    • DragonFlame

      except maybe Sieloff and Wotherspoon

      Brett Kulak has a higher ceiling than either. I realize he was picked in the 4th round, but let’s be honest here; he’s coming off a 0.91ppg season.

      Also everyone, can we just clear something up right now? It’s Mason McDonald, not MacDonald.

      • seve927

        Yep. I was just saying we haven’t had many 2nd round D picks. The ones we have are at the top of the D depth charts (I agree Kulak is right there too). Obviously round 2 isn’t the only place you can get them, but when you’re barren, I think it’s the best bet for replenishment.

        Mason McDonald. I’ll take your word for it and not make that mistake again!

  • I said it when he was drafted, and I’ll say it again: it is unfair to judge McDonald solely off of his QMJHL stats. It’s an arcade league, and McDonald was on two very very bad teams. I recall him saying on 960 after he was drafted that he used to face in the region of 35-45 shots per night. When Charlottetown was in the playoffs against Halifax, he said that the number was 45+. He faced elite (junior) talent and was armed with defenceman who might one day hope to make the LNAH. He was left out to dry on awful teams. And as I said before, I still don’t agree with the pick, especially with the amount of defencemen on the board, but I don’t think it was an awful pick. McDonald has potential. His Q stats are abysmal and team Canada still takes interest. That’s a positive sign.

    Not mentioned in this article, but the Flames signed Paul Byron and three AHLers, the most interesting of whom being Sean Acolatse. Right handed defenceman, somewhat big (6’0, 203), and could crack the big leagues. Could be potential for him.

      • DragonFlame

        Thank you, EugeneV, that’s exactly what I meant (I am answering this with full knowledge JIL will automatically assume you are me . . . sorry about that).

        I really don’t get why Flames’ fans have been so forgiving towards Iginla, considering what he did to the team at last year’s trade deadline. Boston offered a first rounder, Matt Bartkowski and Alexander Khokhlachev, which I would have to argue was an upgrade from what they received from Pittsburgh. Bartkowski is playing pretty much full time for the B’s and given where Calgary picked Poirier, he’d likely still have been available with Boston’s pick at 29.

        Iginla gave Feaster four teams and Feaster dealt with Boston in good faith. Then, Iginla pulled the rug out. And no one here seems to have an issue with that except me.

        • seve927

          Yeah they’d have still picked Poirier. Hopefully they would have gotten Klimchuk as well as that’s the pick they got from Pittsburgh. Or actually I think they’d have been better off with Steve Santini or Madison Bowey. But Klimmer looks good right now.

  • This was widely known as a draft that lacked depth of good prospects (especially compared to last year’s and next year’s). If the likelihood that a 2nd round player makes the NHL is less than 1/10, the success factor between Brandon Hickey and any of those other 2nd round D-men is probably not all that different.
    I also don’t think taking a goalie high in this type of draft is necessarily a bad thing. From management’s perspective, if none of the players early in the 2nd interest you and you know you want Hickey anyway, why not take the goalie you want early? At least this way we don’t need to worry about taking a goalie next year in a better draft.

  • RedMan

    Why do some here feel like they have to attack everyone who doesn’t agree with their every statement, as though the disagreement is personal, the future of civilization depends on them being as ignorant and nasty as they dare???

    this site has really gone downhill with the addition of some of these guys… name calling, hyperbole, extremes, with ignorance and arrogance and main virtues, but really just by a few guys…

    Then when i say “a few guys” I really wonder if this really means one guy with multiple accounts. I mean, you can even “hear” the same person under multiple names… answering oneself with different accounts, even arguing with oneself for some reason.

    Am I the only one who thinks this?

    If you agree, please PROP this comment, if you think not, please TRASH this comment…

    In the old days, it was alcohol that made someone an instant A-hole – nowadays it is the internet, and specifically the comment section

    • Totally… “Some People” need to learn how to have a debate like an adult. I don’t mind being disagreed with but back up your opinion with evidence and don’t fly off the handle like an arrogant, petulant child every time someone challenges your opinion.

      I’m with you JIL. The discourse here lately could use an adjustment.

      …don’t be “Some People”

    • DragonFlame

      I assume you are referring to me, Jeff.

      All I said was Bollig scored some nice goals, then all of a sudden I am receiving comparisons to Jarome Iginla when I asked if Colton Orr had won a Cup.

      I don’t know if Colton Orr scored nice goals, but the stat sheet says Colton Orr has played 476 games, 24 points and 1186 PIM’s. So broken down that is .05 PPG and 1 point for every 49 minutes in penalties.

      Bollig has played 125 games, 14 points and 201 PIM’s. Broken down, that is .112 PPG and 1 point for every 14.35 minutes in penalties.

      Furthermore, Orr played in 54 games last year and no points, while Bollig played all 82 and, while I agree Bollig is not going to set the world on fire with his scoring prowess, given the chance on a stacked team, he managed to accumulate 14 points. Orr’s best season was six points.

      People can point to the fact Bollig saw limited time in the playoffs. Look who Chicago was playing: St Louis and LA with Minnesota sandwiched in-between. Now, who is Calgary going to be facing in the 2015 playoffs? Very likely, no one, so the Bollig “not much ice time (or sheltered ice time) in the playoffs” argument is a non-issue, to my way of thinking.

      Bollig will do just fine in a Flames’ uniform, and I fully expect he will surpass Colton Orr this season both in career goals (Orr has 12) and career points.

      The Flames will be calling up plenty of non-truculent players this year from the Heat. Nothing wrong with having guys like Bollig look out for them. I really don’t want to see the likes of Tom Sestito or Zack Kassian taking liberties with the Flames’ flock of smallish forwards.

      The Flames are not going to make the playoffs this year, but it’s still in the team’s best interests to protect their prospects so they are still alive when it’s time they do.

  • DragonFlame

    “Then when i say “a few guys” I really wonder if this really means one guy with multiple accounts. I mean, you can even “hear” the same person under multiple names… answering oneself with different accounts, even arguing with oneself for some reason.”

    For those of you who don’t know, I am “Jeff in Lethbridge” and I love arguing with myself via multiple accounts.

  • DragonFlame

    You guys are not on my team!

    You cower at the first person who doesn’t agree with you and cover up your dismay with anonymous “thumbs down.”

    Hockey is a tough game.

    You agree with this until someone disputes your reasoning.

    My name is Jeff, I come from Lethbridge, and I have multiple accounts.

    • RedMan

      thanks for outing yourselves, but you didn’t need to, as your actions speak for themselves loud and clear.

      Most of us enjoys being a troll once in a while, myself included (especially when we share a thread with Oiler’s Nation), but you take the responsibility to a new level! 🙂

      Whatever is driving you, just realize I don’t judge you.

      If you are using this forum to deal with some serious stresses in your life, and these stresses are what cause your swings in mood and behaviour here, just keep coming and venting… no worries. I’ve had a pretty rough year or two myself, and have been very thankful for distractions like FN.

      Just try not to get personal or attack others – this would be greatly appreciated! We are all Flames brothers and fellow Canadians 😉