Post Game: Duck this place

It’s only been, as of posting this, 574 weeks and two days since the last Flames win in Anaheim. Which isn’t so bad when you consider that it is only 5,788,800 minutes so really you’re being a big baby. Plus, I don’t think it was very nice of the Anaheim city council (pictured here) to build their rink on Lanny McDonald’s family cemetery. No class in my opinion.

The Ducks beat the Flames 6-3 in a bit of a weird game in which the Flames played very well for long stretches but the Ducks were opportunistic and play hockey in a haunted rink. 

I’m sorry everyone, this game was partly my fault. I distinctly remember saying out loud during OT in LA that if the Flames won this game I wouldn’t care if the Flames lost this game by two touchdowns. So, I’m going to assume that made the Jackman goal happen.

Find out what all happened after the jump!


Fun Fact: None of these people were alive for the last Flames victory in Disneyland. Christian Roatis was like -11 then.

Well, the first period, like period upon period for the Flames is this cursed place, was a bit of a nightmare. The Flames had a few good chances while the game was still scoreless, one from Monahan and one from Backlund, but then things got verrrry FlamesAtAnaheimy. 

Kyle Palmieri put the Ducks up 1-0 after a complete fire drill in the Flames zone. Ortio never had a prayer. Truthfully, the Flames didn’t have that bad of a start but were unable to bury one and the Ducks banked their first chance. 

The Flames then had two-straight powerplays and were unable to score on either. During this road swing, the PP has stunk the entire time but the Flames were able to win enough to mask that. Tonight, not so lucky. After the second powerplay, the Ducks went up 2-0 on a Patrick Maroon deflection. Again, Ortio didn’t have much of a chance in this one as well. 

To make it a perfect troika of misery for the Flames, the Ducks potted their third of the period on a weird deflection off of Kris Russell. It was that kind of period for the Flames. Ben Lovejoy had two points in the first. Bet you didn’t have that in your Flames at Anaheim bingo card.

 As you can see above, the Flames didn’t exactly have a bad period in the first. Well, except that they got scored on three times. So, that’s obviously not great. Our good friend BoL had some helpful advice about how to enjoy the remainder of this game.

Sage wisdom from an embattled veteran of many an Anaheiming. The second started once again with the Flames on the power play but once again there was nothing to show for it. The Flames really did control most of the play in the second but no matter, there are larger forces at work here. 

I wish I was kidding and I cannot believe I am typing this but Tim friggen Jackman made it 4-Love for the Ducks. You know Tim Jackman? Like the one that used to play for the Flames. Like the one that used to be absolutely horrid. That one, Oh! and who assisted on the Jackman goal you ask? Rene Bourque. I hope you took ol’looby’s advice.

That was it for Ortio, who really didn’t play great but by the same token was hardly to blame for the giant hole that the Flames were in. I don’t think this performance will change the organization’s opinion that he is a solid option for the future, it was just some rotten luck and some overdue bad karma.

However, the Flames WOULD NOT BE SHUT OUT DAMNIT. Through sheer force of will, Lance Bouma battled his way to the front of the net and whacked a puck to Mikael Backlund who made it 4-1. The Flames really did play well in the second, with a few good chances from Hudler and Gaudreau. Gaudreau looked poised to break his mini goal slump but alas, it was not to be. 

However, hopefully you kept watching, because with less than a minute to go, the Flames may have scored one of their best goals of the season. Sean Monahan completed a wonderful passing play from Gaudreau and Giordano to put the Flames within two to end the second. 

That was very, very nice.

The Flames started the third with a lot of good chances for the Flames but the Ducks had a powerplay early on after a Matt Stajan trip. The Ducks looked like they scored on that PP but the goal was disallowed when it was ruled that the Ducks pushed Hiller into the net, which is not allowed. That would be kinda cool though..

Following a successful kill, Mikael Backlund, who is amazing and we all love him, missed an absolute-no doubter-can’t miss-gaping net that would have brought the Flames within one. The Ducks went the other way a little later on and made the Flames pay. Perry found Getzlaf and he put the Ducks up 5-2. Backlund’s miss essentially sealed the Flames’ fate tonight.

It certainly looked like that would be the last goal of the game but the Flames came right back and made it 5-3 off of a Joe Colborne marker. It was a strange goal, once again set up by dish-king Lance Bouma. After that goal, the Ducks pretty much sat on the Flames and the Flames didn’t really have another serious push until the goalie was pulled. 

Adding insult to injury, Ryan Kesler added an empty netter. Final score: 6-3 Ducks. 


Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau (who finished tonight’s game with an unreal seven (!) shots) both had very good games tonight and Jonas Hiller also made some tough stops after coming in to replace Ortio but Lance Bouma, against odds,logic, and his own lack of ability, continues to produce offensively for the Flames. Here’s a highlight of him bashing an assist towards Backlund:

Bouma had four shots, two assists and was a plus two, whatever that is worth. Do I think that this means he should start getting 22 minutes a night? No. God no. However, he gets the coveted Red Warrior as a reward for a job well done. 

Of note tonight, Mason Raymond was a minus four. So, yeah. Get well soon Curtis?


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Team Period Time Note Home Away State
Away 1 19:39 Monahan 10 15 19 23 31 47 5 7 17 19 23 37 5v5
Away 1 19:05 Raymond 4 6 17 21 31 39 4 6 8 11 21 37 5v5
Away 1 16:02 Backlund 4 6 10 15 19 31 4 7 8 11 21 37 5v5
Home 1 15:24 Beleskey deflection 17 21 31 39 45 48 4 6 13 24 37 86 5v5
Home 1 15:20 Palmieri goal 17 21 31 39 45 48 4 6 13 24 37 86 5v5
Home 1 12:14 Bourque 14 18 23 31 44 47 13 24 29 33 37 86 5v5
Home 1 11:30 Cogliano tip 4 6 7 31 33 67 4 6 18 25 32 37 5v5
Home 1 10:27 Getzlaf 15 23 31 44 47 4 6 8 11 21 37 4v5
Away 1 6:08 Giordano 17 31 33 45 48 5 7 21 23 25 37 4v5
Away 1 5:31 Bouma 10 15 19 23 31 47 4 6 17 18 19 37 5v5
Home 1 5:02 Maroon goal 4 6 10 15 19 31 5 7 8 11 32 37 5v5
Away 1 3:52 Gaudreau 17 21 31 39 45 48 4 6 13 24 37 86 5v5
Away 2 19:23 Giordano 10 15 19 23 31 47 5 7 17 19 23 37 5v5
Away 2 19:01 Gaudreau 4 6 17 31 44 4 6 13 24 37 86 4v5
Away 2 17:33 Deflection 7 31 33 45 48 5 7 11 21 23 37 4v5
Away 2 17:31 Scrum 7 31 33 45 48 5 7 11 21 23 37 4v5
Away 2 16:42 Hudler 10 15 19 23 31 47 5 7 18 19 25 37 5v5
Home 2 16:11 Lovejoy 4 6 14 18 31 44 4 6 13 24 37 86 5v5
Away 2 11:52 Gaudreau 4 7 17 21 31 45 4 13 24 33 37 86 5v5
Home 2 10:24 Jackman goal 14 18 23 31 44 47 19 21 23 29 33 37 5v5
Away 2 8:49 Bouma 17 21 23 31 39 47 1 8 11 17 29 33 5v5
Away 2 8:48 Backlund goal 17 21 23 31 39 47 1 8 11 17 29 33 5v5
Home 2 6:52 Perry 10 15 19 31 45 48 1 5 7 18 25 32 5v5
Away 2 5:57 Hudler 7 23 31 33 47 67 1 4 6 13 24 86 5v5
Away 2 2:14 Bollig 17 21 31 39 45 48 1 18 25 29 32 33 5v5
Home 2 1:16 Thompson 4 6 14 18 31 44 1 5 7 13 23 24 5v5
Away 2 0:48 Monahan goal 10 15 19 23 31 47 1 4 6 8 11 17 5v5
Away 3 18:59 Jones 4 6 17 21 31 39 1 4 6 19 21 86 5v5
Away 3 15:53 Jones 4 6 17 21 31 39 1 5 7 19 21 86 5v5
Away 3 15:10 Gaudreau 7 31 33 44 45 48 1 4 6 13 23 24 5v5
Home 3 14:56 Maroon tip 10 15 19 23 31 47 1 4 6 13 23 24 5v5
Home 3 14:44 Perry 10 15 19 23 31 47 1 4 6 13 23 24 5v5
Home 3 13:35 Maroon 4 10 15 19 31 45 1 5 7 17 23 5v4
Home 3 12:28 Scrum 17 21 23 31 47 67 1 5 7 17 23 5v4
Home 3 11:56 Tip 17 21 23 31 47 67 1 5 7 11 17 18 5v5
Away 3 11:46 Backlund 17 21 23 31 47 67 1 5 6 11 23 24 5v5
Home 3 10:17 Getzlaf goal 10 15 19 31 45 48 1 5 19 21 29 86 5v5
Away 3 9:20 Bouma tip 17 21 23 31 39 47 1 6 8 11 17 33 5v5
Away 3 9:19 Colborne goal 17 21 23 31 39 47 1 6 8 11 17 33 5v5
Away 3 8:53 Russell 4 6 14 18 31 44 1 4 13 23 24 33 5v5
Away 3 4:57 Brodie 10 17 18 23 31 47 1 5 7 13 23 24 5v5
Home 3 3:17 Maroon 4 6 15 17 19 31 1 5 6 13 23 24 5v5
Home 3 2:53 Perry 4 6 10 15 19 31 1 5 7 13 23 24 5v5
Away 3 1:14 Bouma 4 6 17 31 39 44 5 6 13 19 23 24 5v5
# Player EV PP SH
1 HILLER, JONAS   13 8   0 0   0 2
4 RUSSELL, KRIS 18:10 10 6 03:16 1 1 01:09 0 0
5 GIORDANO, MARK 19:32 7 7 02:44 3 0 02:51 0 2
6 WIDEMAN, DENNIS 19:57 11 7 03:04 1 1 00:54 0 0
7 BRODIE, TJ 18:10 6 5 02:56 3 0 03:06 0 2
8 COLBORNE, JOE 14:42 7 1 01:24 0 1 01:31 0 0
11 BACKLUND, MIKAEL 14:05 8 2 02:23 2 1 01:36 0 0
13 GAUDREAU, JOHNNY 15:43 7 9 02:06 1 0 00:00 0 0
17 BOUMA, LANCE 14:14 8 1 00:12 0 0 02:01 0 2
18 STAJAN, MATT 09:26 3 3 00:19 0 0 00:40 0 0
19 JONES, DAVID 12:15 7 2 00:39 0 0 00:00 0 0
21 RAYMOND, MASON 12:03 4 2 03:03 3 1 00:00 0 0
23 MONAHAN, SEAN 16:49 7 6 02:30 3 0 00:52 0 2
24 HUDLER, JIRI 15:23 8 9 02:06 1 0 00:00 0 0
25 BOLLIG, BRANDON 08:42 2 2 00:59 1 0 00:00 0 0
29 ENGELLAND, DERYK 10:56 3 3 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
32 BYRON, PAUL 08:03 1 3 00:32 0 0 00:28 0 0
33 DIAZ, RAPHAEL 13:26 7 2 00:00 0 0 00:00 0 0
37 ORTIO, JONI   8 7   4 1   0 0
86 JOORIS, JOSH 10:10 5 5 01:47 1 0 00:52 0 0
Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
1 6 6 5 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
2 11 4 8 4 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
3 9 8 9 6 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0


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I think it goes without saying that the Flames will still be exceptionally pleased with this road trip, winning four out of five in some very hostile buildings thought it would have been nice to finally exorcise some of those Anaheim demons. 

With this road trip, the Flames have played their way back into wildcard contention and it means that Flames fans will have some meaningful hockey post all-star break which is kinda nice in and of itself. I can personally say that I never expected the first half of the season to go this way and cannot begin to fathom how the final stretch will go. Either way, we know one thing. Brandon Bollig will never score. The games will likely be exciting.

  • FeyWest

    I swear this is like a B-rated horror movie at the Honda Center, deflated pucks or something!?! I thought aside from the weird bounces Calgary played strong and I just wish the score reflected it more.

    I’m going to guess this is a stronger game for the Advanced Stats events? I just don’t understand how we’re against the norm.

    All-in-All I hope for a SJS win and when next we play we victimize some of the weaker teams now. Buffalo and Edmonton are MUST WINS given how we’ve played against the stronger NHL forces.

  • Matty Franchise Jr

    Jooris coming back tonight as well..keeping the streak of losing when a regular gets back into the lineup intact.

    What were you thinking Bob? Also hats off to Mason with a solid -4 showing. Eek..

  • everton fc

    A few things…

    1. Generally speaking, Jackman was never horrid here. In fact, he put more goals in the net his first year than Bollig may put in his entire time w/the franchise. That said, I “get” what you were trying to say.

    2. Good to see Gaurdreau getting many chances, and Monahan continues to score. Bouma should wear a letter next season; he’s the kind of guy you want on your team for a decade.

    3. I now think we could “go” the rest of the season with Hiller and Ortio (I had said in many posts we should look to trade Hiller, but it appears the “brass” won’t.) If we can move Ramo for a 5/6 d-man, I’d do it.

    4. Anyone know when Bennett might be available? Could the stars align and make him available during a playoff run? Better yet, by trade deadline?

    5. Was Ortio bad tonight, or just unlucky and “inevitable”. I listened on radio.

    6. If Backlund keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s another who could wear a letter. He’s consistently putting the goal in the twine. Finally!

    7. Raymond was -4 He’s not as horrific as Setoguchi, and is not an AHL player… But at this stage, I’d rather see Baertschi get those minutes.

    8. As for Byron, I’d rather see Poirier or Ferland get those minutes.

    9. How did Bollig play? I’d rather see Wolf get those minutes.

  • FeyWest

    Do you really think Johnny had a good game? He did manage to get shots on net but Ducks’ first goal came after a terrible giveaway by #13 and overall, he struggled a lot with passing the puck through 40 minutes.

    • FeyWest

      I thought given the last 2 games of his this was his stronger night, yes he gave up one which was on him but he drove the puck more often than not. He was actually more physical and trying to get the puck, all a part of him learning and he’s getting more dangerous. He’s learning what he’;s able to pull off and how to get the puck when he doesn’t have it.

      What I like is his hunger for the puck which I thought before the LA game he had kind of lost.

      • FeyWest

        Yeah, I hear you. I’ve been observing him a lot. Given his size he needs to stay kind of alert all the time because the only way to stop him is being physical (=run over him). I love his confidence when carrying the puck and consistency to passing comes through mistakes and experience. Can’t wait to see what he’s able to do next season. I think he already has everything Marty St. Louis took years to develop into.
        Go Flames go!

  • FeyWest

    Flames PDO .898
    Ducks PDO 1.131

    As far as being a measuring stick, this game merely begs for another one. Flames were extremely unlucky and deserved better in many respects. Ducks are a solid team that hardly needs luck on their side to be dominant, but when they have it its an uphill battle.

    • beloch

      The Flames CF% was a stunning 54.4%. Even with chase effect, that’s nothing short of amazing considering who the Flames were playing tonight. The Flames were the better team but the Ducks were far, far luckier. The curse of Anaheim continues unabated.

      Now, I’m sure there are going to be a few people saying things like, “WUT? WE WON THA FANCEEPANTS STATS BUT LOST THA GAME? THIS DISPRUVS ALL THE STATS!!!”. Yeah… Really. Just this once, keep it to yourself for a change. You know who you are. You are entitled to your own wrong opinion but I don’t want to hear it.

      • beloch

        If this was the only game that disproved advanced stats…….that would be irrelevant.

        The fact is that EVERY Flames game this year has disproved advanced stats.

        Both Edmonton and the Leafs hired advanced stats gurus this off season; how is that working out for them….?


        • MWflames

          Those two “stats gurus” had next to nothing to do with the teams that got iced to start the year. That’s a silly point…

          Also, regardless of if you’re for or against fancy stats it is fundementanily wrong to spend any more time than “oh that’s interesting” on the numbers from one game. These numbers were designed from large sample sizes and should only be analysed at that level as well.

        • MWflames

          It’s impossible for “advanced stats” to be “disproved” as they are what they are, statistics. Theyre merely quantifying events that happen. I myself love statistics but I’m not defending the use of “advanced stats” as reliable predicting tools on their own. Many things have to be taken into consideration.

          On another note, I’d be extremely interested in an article examining the reason that so many of the Flames games this year seem to contradict logic when it comes to the stats followed on this site. There has to be reasoning behind it besides “hard work” or “luck”. We’ve got a decent sized sample to start making observations I’d think, if you include the second half of last year that is often coupled with this years success.

          • FeyWest

            I like using Adv. Stats, it’s just a tool though and shouldn’t be the be all end all in determine whether we should or shouldn’t have won as game. It just seems the Flames are a “Curious Case of Benjamin Button” type team this year. And like you say I’d love to see an analysis of why the Flames are like this, I have a feeling there’s either an outlying or unquantifiable stat that’s been missed or something because the parity of the Flames and Adv Stats is interesting. It would seem a never say die attitude and unwavering will in the face of adversity.

            Looking forward to the ASW and this next homestand it’s going to be exciting!

          • FeyWest

            If you take the Flames data this year and compare it to the league over the last few years you will notice that every now and again a team will perform as the flames are this year (Colorado, Toronto, etc) There are also teams on the other side of the coin (Minnesota). The large amount of data shows that the Flames will likely lose more games if they continue to get out shot and will likely win games in which they out shoot their opponents. 3rd period comebacks are not a firm foundation to build a team. Constantly out shooting your opponents is.

          • everton fc

            They are the best 3rd period team in the league, I don’t think you can use random luck to explain that. Other factors like coaching & conditioning come into play. This is one thing I think will regress as the year rolls on because other teams/players will catch up to us. Burnward is right, more concerning is the power play, it has to improve. Any word on the Smid injury? Any trade opportunities target with Columbus. They have a pretty serious goal tending situation developing if Bob has torn that groin.

          • FeyWest

            Yes I do Matty: there is a perfect 1.0 negative correlation between advanced stats and the outcome of the game this season.

            Advanced stats are in fact so bad that they are actually really good…!

            I have been asking the advanced stats experts on this site to prove me wrong numerous times: in how many games this year did the advanced stats support the outcome of the games?


            That is hard to do; even a flip of the coin would be accurate about half the time.


          • RedMan

            according to beloch (from the GDB)

            “…The Flames were pretty terrible in Vancouver and Ortio definitely stole that game. However, the last three games have been decent. The Flames CF% against the Coyotes was 47.2%, against the Sharks it was 52.3%, and against L.A. it was 47.2%. That’s one outright Corsi win that corresponded with a scoreboard win, and two better than average (for the Flames) Corsi games that resulted in two wins.”

            so, it looks like there has been an OCCASIONAL win that has also seen a corsi ‘win’ though it has been rare in these parts generally speaking.

  • FeyWest

    if ever there were a more cautionary tale of going whale hunting when you need to stay the course on a rebuild, take a long cool drink of Dion Phaneuf and her Maple Leafs. Treliving and Burke better err on the side of caution during the all star break, these are paradigm shifting weeks for the future of our franchise, and easily squandered with an itchy trading finger. All it takes is one executive to try and put “his stamp” on the team, and we’re looking at years of flailing at the piñata. Mind the cars and stay off the ponds Burke and Treliving.

  • FeyWest

    Hiller should have probably got the start tonight.. I’m sure he would have loved to break that curse!

    I guess Anaheim is the happiest place on earth for everyone except the Calgary Flames for some reason…

  • PrairieStew

    I’m all for an expanded role for Bouma. At the beginning of last year – we didn’t know if he was an NHLer, and beginning this year most considered him a bit part 4th liner. I really like his progression.

    There was a discussion about Bouma over the summer where I compared him favourably to Glencross – having played more and produced more at the same age despite losing an entire season to a knee injury. The prevailing sentiment was that Bouma would never reach the production levels that Glencross has. Yet here we are with over 30 games left on pace for 31 points at 24, turning 25. That’s essentially double what he did last year. At that age Glencross had played 9 games in the NHL and split his time betwen Syracuse and Portland. So there is still room for improvement. Even if it is only 50% – that brings him to a 20 goal 45 point guy (coincidentally the top of the Glencross arc)

    Currently Bouma is 5th on the team in ES points per 60 – well ahead of Glencross, Raymond and Jones. I like the future with guys like Bouma being part of it.

    • RKD

      Horrible comparison. Glencross is a point producer. As a point producer room needs to be made in the top 6 and on an NHL team that’s not easy. Bouma is a mucker and out mushed/blocked the other muckers to get a shot. Glencross absolutely lit it up in Syracuse to get promoted. Big diff. Once he was given reasonablr playing time in Calgary he began to produce at the nhl level. Bouma will not reach Glencross’ levels with more playing time. Why am I responding to this? IDK

      • PrairieStew

        Not a horrible comparison at all.

        In fact Bouma is already at Glencross’s production levels. He has a higher points per 60 at even strength – and gets 0 power play time. Take away the 7 PP points that Glencross has and it is 19 points to 17, where Glencross is still getting 3 more minutes (approx 25%) more ice time per game. Never mind the fact that Bouma is playing with less talented players.

        You might argue that Glencross has had a down year but that is not really the case either. His 0.6 ppg so far this year is his third best season, and is above his career average of 0.55. His AHL career average over 159 games also was 0.55.

        My argument was that Bouma has shown NHL production superior to Glencross at the same age which is not disputable, and has shown progress year over year since the knee surgery, which is also not disputable. Whether he continues to progress or not remains to be seen but given the choice in this offseason of a 25 year old Bouma at a million or 32 year old Glencross asking for $3m or more – that’s an easy decision.

  • KiLLKiND

    This paragraph is for the more analytic people if you aren’t into that you may as well skip it

    Well Calgary now has a PDO of 101.0 which this game helped lower from whatever it was at before which can be sustainable I believe yes the norm is for teams to be at 1.00 but that is assuming all teams shot the same and have the same goaltending. Calgary isn’t getting too many shots per game and I read this article recently. This article shows that the more shots goalies face the easier it is to have a higher save percentage which would be part of the reason Calgary has a high PDO allowing more shots against than we are taking. So while PDO is useful the average value may be 1.00 but for a team that gets out-shot on a game to game basis the expected value should be a little higher. The basis for my theory is that it has to be the majority of games they are getting out-shot not just the getting blown away in shots a few games. Let me know what you think.

  • PrairieStew

    Correlation equals causation in only one case; Score more goals than the other team equals a win (r=1) (Although somehow you can still lose a game and get points in the standings…). Directing more shots at net, having a higher CORSI, PDO, +/- simply improves your positive event chances and improves the probability you will score a goal and therefore improves your probability of winning. It DOES NOT guarantee a win, ever.

    For examples and illustration of the correlation and causation quandary look at Spurious Correlations ( Here two random variables are correlated and you are allowed to draw your own causations from the results. For instance, the number of goals scored by the winning team in the Stanley Cup is negatively correlated (r=-0.890248) with the number of deaths caused by cataclysmic storm The inference here is that the 2005 NHL lockout was the cause of hurricane Rita which increased the number of deaths by cataclysmic storm. Thanks Bettman! (In a strange quirk the Edmonton Oilers and Carolina Hurricanes met the next year in the final).

    So while CORSI, PDO and all the other stats help describe the events on the ice and we would ideally like to see higher positive event statistics for the rebuilding Flames, as a fan the only statistic I care about is the W’s because this significantly increases the probability I will be entertained and have fun.

  • RKD

    Mason Raymond a -4, that’s pathetic. This guy will probably be sitting the next game. Insert someone else who’s give a crap meter is so low. I want to see the Raymond before he got injured, he’s been nothing special to speak about. Quit going through the motions and floating out there like Rene Bourque and Devon Setoguchi. I’m starting to think Raymond’s great season in Toronto was him being the benefactor of his linemates. On his own, he’s probably not as good and in fact probably bringing his linemates down with him.