Andrew Mangiapane, Rasmus Andersson recognized in OHL Coaches Poll

The 2015 NHL draft was a really exciting time for the Flames. Not only did they acquire Dougie Hamilton for just a handful of picks, but they were even able to pick up Oliver Kylington: he who was originally projected to be taken in the first round, but fell into the Flames organization all the way at 60th overall.

But it was especially exciting for two other reasons, and their names are Rasmus Andersson and Andrew Mangiapane. Selected in the second and sixth rounds respectively, both have put themselves right at the top of the Flames’ prospect pool by virtue of the great seasons they’re having.

Their abilities aren’t just recognized by us out west, though. Some of the people who see them most – OHL coaches, both their own and the ones who have to plan against them – really like what they see in the two 19-year-olds.

As such, they both garnered recognition in multiple areas in the annual OHL coaches poll.

Andrew Mangiapane

Let’s start with he who drew in the most votes. To date, Mangiapane has 102 points in 58 games this season: two points short of his career high that saw him get drafted last year, all in 10 fewer games played. He’s sixth in overall OHL scoring.

In the OHL’s Eastern Conference, Mangiapane was voted:

  • Most Underrated Player
    • He finished with 28 points; second place was Jordan Maletta with 16.
  • Best Skater
    • He finished with 18 points; second place was a three-way tie between Sean Day, Mitchell Vande Sompel, and Jonathan Ang with 17 each.
  • Best Shootout Shooter
    • He finished with 29 points; second place was Alexander Nylander with 20. He finished third in this category in 2014-15.

Rasmus Andersson

This season, Andersson has 60 points over 63 games: four back of last season’s career high in four fewer games played. He leads all OHL defencemen in scoring.

In the OHL’s Eastern Conference, Andersson was voted:

  • Third Hardest Shot
    • He finished with 10 points; ahead of him were Kyle Wood (41) and Lawson Crouse (23).
  • Best Offensive Defenceman
    • He finished with 31 points; second place was Mitchell Vande Sompel with 23 points. Andersson finished third in this category in 2014-15.

What comes next?

So it’s pretty safe to call the Barrie Colts Calgary’s OHL team, is it not? With just three games remaining in the regular season, Barrie has clinched the OHL’s Central Division, and are behind only the uncatchable Kingston Frontenacs in the Eastern Conference. 

They look to be primed for a great playoff run, and with two Flames prospects leading the team, we can only hope they go all the way. After all, with the Memorial Cup in Red Deer, wouldn’t it be awesome to catch glimpses of Mangiapane and Andersson in person? 

Should the Colts fall short, though, they may get to play more hockey yet. If the Stockton Heat’s season lasts longer than Barrie’s, then both Mangiapane and Andersson are likely to sign PTOs and join the team for the remainder of their year.

And since both prospects are eligible to play in the AHL next season, it’s probably a safe bet that this is the end of their days in Ontario, and next season, they’ll be off to California. One thing’s for sure, though: if this is it for them in the OHL, they’re leaving with the respect of the league.

  • The Fall

    … Winning breeds winning.

    Take a look at the Cup winners from the last ten years. Only Kane and Crosby are number ones. The majority of the players are mid round standouts who were properly seasoned and mentored. Most championship teams have a couple top ten drafted players. AND of them, most were picked up through trades.

    Speaking of Kane… Johnny was a late round freebie.

    Speaking of top ten picks. Sean is top of his class for goals, AND top two for the TWO YEARS proceeding him.

    Speaking of top drafts: Sam Bennett was projected number one overall until he couldn’t do a pull up. Which was fixed in surgery because we was dominating the OHL with an injured shoulder…

    Speaking of championship teams: they ALL have Norris calibre D-Men. Flame — Flames have two. AND two in the pool. Brodie being criminally underpaid. If this were the NFL, TJ would be holding out come spring training.

    Speaking of championship teams: they all have Vezina calibre goal tending: …. …. (crickets)… …

    Unless the Flames are drafting a starting goalie first overall, a high draft pick is only going to send them down Oiler-way. That stink takes years to wash off… The best thing for this team is winning, goals, confidence and timing. They have the tools to be a top team for years.

    The prospects are good. The GM is good. This team has a serious window (the length of TJs contract).

    ….

    • Jake the Snail

      “Take a look at the Cup winners from the last ten years. Only Kane and Crosby are number ones. The majority of the players are mid round standouts who were properly seasoned and mentored. Most championship teams have a couple top ten drafted players. AND of them, most were picked up through trades.”

      Doesn’t bode well for the Oiler’s then! lol 10 more years of gazing at their navels saying what a great bunch of Number 1 forwards they have…Draft them but don’t develop them. Funny, but that hasn’t translated into winning many games.

    • RedMan

      why would you take your fairly decent commentary and spoil it with your idiotic ranting about other fans? you ruined your whole post with your sanctimonious self-righteous jab at other fans.

      not only that, i don’t recall a single fan here any way saying “this team should tank on purpose”. there have been lots of people though who have said something to the effect of “if they play hard and give it their all, that’s all we can ask, and if they lose doing so, so be it, just helps in the draft. nobody is advocating ways to lose on purpose.

      get over yourself.

    • supra steve

      “screw all the ‘fans’ who are looking to tank for draft position. Winning breeds winning.

      Take a look at the Cup winners from the last ten years. Only Kane and Crosby are number ones. The majority of the players are mid round standouts who were properly seasoned and mentored. Most championship teams have a couple top ten drafted players. AND of them, most were picked up through trades.”

      Do your research.

      Pitt had 2 #1 overall selections, and 2 #2 overall selections. CGY so far has none in the top 2.

      Chicago had a #1 overall and a #3 overall, CGY again has no picks in the top 3.

      LA had a #2 overall, a #4 overall, a #5 overall, and a bunch of luck in grabbing Kopitar at #11. If CGY was able to select in the top 3 this summer, they would be on a fairly even playing field with LA’s picks.

      Elite clubs have elite players. Those players are most often obtained in the first several picks of the draft. If your “Winning breeds winning” claim holds any water, how did the clubs mentioned above overcome their loosing seasons?

      • The Fall

        you are right, the Pens had a Goalie as a first over all. My bad, but kinda to my point as well, Flames need a starter…

        also, my point is that the players are equal to the best, and this post being about prospects… they’re pretty good as well: Johnny projects Kane style, stats and play. Sam, was #1 calibre. Sean is the number 2 scorer of three draft class combined.

        So based on LA, BOS, and CHI projections the Flames stack up. They don’t need any more elite up front. Decent first round picks allowed to mature will be fine entering the system, and decent late round projections can’t hurt (like DET and their play Cups / Playoff record).

        PIT had a horrendous decade and drafted early. And the literally WON THE LOTTERY for Crosby.

        Wikipedia “The 2005 NHL Entry Draft was the 43rd NHL Entry Draft.

        As a lockout cancelled the games of the 2004–05 NHL season, the draft order was determined by lottery on July 22, 2005. Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft “snaked” back down to the team with the first pick. Therefore the team with the first pick overall would not pick again until the 60th pick. The team with the 30th pick would also get the 31st pick. The new CBA reduced the draft to seven rounds in length, compared to nine rounds in years past.

        The Pittsburgh Penguins won the draft lottery and, as expected, selected Sidney Crosby. The lottery associated with the draft has colloquially been referred to as the Sidney Crosby Sweepstakes due to the certainty of Crosby being selected first.”

        I’d rather not wait for another lock out draw for the best player to ever play the game… so yeah, the PENS are a little different.

      • piscera.infada

        Do your research.

        Pitt had 2 #1 overall selections, and 2 #2 overall selections. CGY so far has none in the top 2.

        Chicago had a #1 overall and a #3 overall, CGY again has no picks in the top 3.

        LA had a #2 overall, a #4 overall, a #5 overall, and a bunch of luck in grabbing Kopitar at #11. If CGY was able to select in the top 3 this summer, they would be on a fairly even playing field with LA’s picks.

        Elite clubs have elite players. Those players are most often obtained in the first several picks of the draft. If your “Winning breeds winning” claim holds any water, how did the clubs mentioned above overcome their loosing seasons?

        I’d just like to point out that while all of that information is factual, it needs to be stated very bluntly that drafting is not academic by any means–it is a very fickle mistress.

        Chicago, yes. They also picked 3rd overall again in 2004. They drafted Cam Barker–we all know how he turned out. In addition Toews at third overall could have (and probably should have) gone to Pittsburgh (Staal) or St. Louis (Johnson) before. How much different would Chicago look with either of those instead of Toews?

        Of the #2, #4, and #5 picks you mentioned for Los Angeles, only Doughty (considered a reach at the time–the “better” pick was considered Bogosian) is still a producing member of the team. Hickey (the #4 pick) was claimed off waivers by New York, and Schenn was traded (although, admittedly that brought back Richards, who played a roll in their first cup).

        I’m kind of on the fence in all this. I would love a good draft pick (it’s far better than not having one–I see the utility there, of course), but I’m not cheering for losses. The game against Winnipeg was a long time coming (a bunch of good bounces that they haven’t had all season long–it was bound to happen). The St. Louis win, I think was important for the organization–haven’t beat St. Louis handily in almost a decade, and played a very strong game in all aspects.

        I have no problem with the wins. I also don’t see drafting as the cure-all it’s commonly made out to be. As I said above, there is nothing scientific about drafting high. Sure, you’re far more likely to end up with a real NHLer, but there’s still luck involved in getting the game-changing talent you (and others) elude to–be it winning a draft lottery (Crosby, McDavid), a player falling to you and turning out to be better than everyone taken that year (Toews, Gaudreau [?]), or hitting on a bit of a reach (Doughty).

        The biggest thing is, bemoaning losses really does nothing for anybody. The players aren’t going to fold (and try to lose), management can’t outwardly tell the team to lose. So what recourse is there? Complaining about it (not saying you are)? Right on… I guess.

        • The Fall

          Totally agree. And I think there is a lot of good in place already.

          Flames have, what, 4 picks in the first two rounds this summer?

          I wouldn’t be upset to see two of those selections packaged to a team like Tampa, or Montreal for an established goal tender.

          it’s late for me here, so I’m done tonight. But I’ll check back in the morning. Sorry for de-railing this one a bit. Great article. Great prospects.

          • piscera.infada

            I wouldn’t be upset to see two of those selections packaged to a team like Tampa, or Montreal for an established goal tender.

            I wouldn’t. Especially Montreal. Who’s this established goaltender in Montreal? I think you’d need more than a couple of picks for Price…

        • Baalzamon

          Just a small side note on the draft: I really, really don’t want the Flames and Oilers to get picks 2 and 3. We don’t need the endless Laine and Puljujarvi comparisons that would assuredly ensue.

          Imagine if the Flames got the second overall pick and ended up with the worse of the two. That would be a nightmare.

          • Baalzamon

            But then the Flames would have an extra RW and an even bigger hole on D.

            In other words, the Flames would have a surplus of wingers, and a crap blueline. Sound familiar?

          • RedMan

            Frolik? the young guys would likey not be able to step right in anyways, at least not both for them for sure, but if Frolik and Backlund were able to anchor a third line because those above them are better, , doesn’t that bode well? just spit balling here.

            i proposed the same thing on ON and so far they have no appetite for it either, think it is a rip off for the Oilers.

            As far as the trade goes (forget the positional consequences) would you think it is a fair trade for both teams?

          • Baalzamon

            Basically, you’re asking whether Hamilton is worth a prime-aged forward with a fairly consistent scoring history, plus a top three pick.

            Allow me to answer with another question: Would you have traded Jiri Hudler (under contract) and the Sam Bennett pick for Travis Hamonic?

            I’m not at all surprised the Oil fans don’t like your offer. But trading Hamilton would be silly for the Flames, as well. I’d rather have depth on D than depth on the wing if I had to choose, wouldn’t you?

            Edit – by the way, when I said extra RW I meant that you’d have all of Eberle, Puljujarvi, and Laine. Laine is absolutely NHL ready, Puljujarvi maybe not, but even then, you’re creating redundancy where you don’t need it while simultaneously eroding an excellent player from a position where you need at least one more (top 4 D)

          • RedMan

            you wouldn’t consider Eberle as a project given the culture problems and questions about a 200 ft game and a big pricetag? Maybe I’m reading the situation wrong.just wondering… Also – would you not say that Dougie is a far higher value D than Hamonic?

            and given your suggestion, you would in order to make it a fair question (because flames dont need a dman now like hamonic) you have say that the (Flames) have no Defense that are abe to play inthe top 2, and have only one middle d pairing guy so the need is more equal to the Oilers situation, and the Flames would then be getting a Dman that would instantly be their best by far and able to anchor a blueline for years… i think that makes a difference when it addresses legitimate needs.

            There is no doubt it would leave a hole on the blueline that the org would have to address with prospects… Rassmus, Kylington, Jokipakka, Nakladal, Wotherspoon, Culkin, Kulack… Flames would need to fill in 2 spots between #4, & #7 defender out of these to add to Engelland and Wideman, assuming Wideman is #3.

          • Baalzamon

            Hamilton is worth more than Eberle, but not enough to add a top 3 pick to the deal. Not even close.

            And your entire rebuttal only serves to underscore why it’s a bad trade for the Flames. if Wideman is your #3 D you’re in deep, deep trouble.

        • supra steve

          As a fan who was recording the draft (on a VHS tape) the day Jagr was selected 5th overall, I know all about the fickle nature of the draft. George Pelawa… not sure that the draft was televised back then, but that was a tragedy. Daniel Tkaczuk…had his draft taped. Rico Fata….him too. One thing I know for sure is that there are no guarantees on draft day. Every kid taken is one injury away from retired and most kids taken don’t ever get to the NHL. But I have witnessed a lot of top 3 picks that have gone on to stardom.

          Not many are advocating losing on purpose, and those that are, have no power to make it happen. This club is very close to a very high draft position (lotto permitting), they are there because they have lost more often than not. All that needs to happen to boost that pick is for the trend to continue as it has over the season to date. Is that too much to hope for, or is it wrong to hope for?

          • piscera.infada

            Hope is fine. I too hope the Flames will get a great player out of this draft. I just want to rip every hair out of my head, and then do it again to the person next to me every time I read “well there goes the draft position” or “back to being mediocre for a decade” after every goal and every win. It’s not that simple. And honestly, if Treliving’s whole plan for building a contender is to “draft high”, then I’ll tell you right now, this organization isn’t going to be contending for anything.

          • supra steve

            I, for one, think it’s fairly obvious that BT is not, and has not “tanked”. What I get sick of hearing about is the “winning breeds winning”/”win at all costs” argument. If that were the case, how did LA, CHI, PIT, etc. ever win the cup?

        • BurningSensation

          “Of the #2, #4, and #5 picks you mentioned for Los Angeles, only Doughty (considered a reach at the time–the “better” pick was considered Bogosian) is still a producing member of the team. Hickey (the #4 pick) was claimed off waivers by New York, and Schenn was traded (although, admittedly that brought back Richards, who played a roll in their first cup).”

          A minor quibble, but no, Doughty was never considered behind Bogosian in their draft year.

          • piscera.infada

            Bogosian was considered the better prospect by many (although they were close). Doughty was considered over weight, un-motivated, and having a lower ceiling than Bogosian. There was discussion at the time of the draft as to whether LA had taken unnecessary risk with the pick–in hindsight it wasn’t, but doesn’t change the fact that it was out there.

            You’ll also notice that heading into the draft, Bogosian outscored Doughty 1.01 ppg to 0.86 ppg.

          • BurningSensation

            You know its funny,I was certain your position was incorrect, and that Doughty was always the higher rated guy. So I checked the old Hockey News draft previews and… I’m wrong. Bogosian was rated #2, Doughty #3.

            Mea culpa

      • Truculence

        “LA had a #2 overall, a #4 overall, a #5 overall, and a bunch of luck in grabbing Kopitar at #11. If CGY was able to select in the top 3 this summer, they would be on a fairly even playing field with LA’s picks.”

        Uh, okay. Drew Doughty was drafted 2nd overall. Who else on those Stanley Cup winning teams were drafted by the Kings in the top 5? Brayden Schenn was 5th but he was traded before the 2 cups.

        Those Kings’ Stanley cup teams are a combo of having one top-5 pick, excellent drafting through all rounds, and absolutely outstanding trades.

        In fact the Red Wings, Kings, and Bruins all prove that you do not consistently need to draft top-5 to secure a Cup (for all of those who protest that Seguin was a top-2 pick, you really didn’t watch the playoffs because he played in only half the games as a bottom 6 forward with very sheltered minutes. He was inconsequential to the Cup drive).

        Indeed, if tanking your way to top picks becomes the only way to make a contender, I’m done with professional hockey because I could not stand a league in which those teams that ignominously lose by dressing an AHL team are the only ones to succeed.

        That is why I wish the Oilers nothing but misery.

        • McRib

          Tanking is all the rage now, throughout history professional sports teams have been and will always continue to be copy cats to recent successes (see teams loading up on bullpen arms now that KC Won World Series last year), but five or six years ago everyone was emulating the Detroit method of player development.

          The funny thing is Chicago had three or four rebuilds before one stuck, it wasn’t like they just “got it right”, (remember when Eric Daze was the future? I do), similar to Pittsburgh who almost lost the franchise floundering for nearly two decades.

          What if Anaheim goes and wins two of the next three Stanley Cups? I am not against getting a Top. 5 pick, but by no means do you have to have them to be certain of future success. Just keep acquiring solid assets and things will turn around, after all for example Gaudreau could easily end up being the best player from the 2011 Draft. There is a good asset…. Get a couple more draft steals and there you go (also see TJ Brodie).

          With all that said of our final 12 Games we still play LA x 2, Minnesota x 2, Chicago, Anaheim, Arizona, Montreal. I can’t see us winning more than 1-2 of those games which even if we beat Vancouver, Toronto, Edmonton outright we still end up with a 4-8 record down the stretch (those teams being rivals wont go lightly either).

          Which according to Sports Clubs Stats gives us like 76% Chance of finishing Bottom 2 in the West (which easily means Top. 5). Not to mention 8 of our final 12 Games are on the Road (3 remaining Home Games are Chicago, LA, Rivals Vancouver). Even worse case we end up 6-7.. Someone like Pierre Luc Dubois looked half decent to me at Top Prospects Game, actually he was the best player on the ice by a mile.

      • TurkeyLips

        Downvoted because spelt losing “loosing”

        Drives me crazy.

        You both have points. But we’re closer to LA and Chicago in build and drafting than Pittsburgh.

  • Jake the Snail

    Spring has sprung and hope springs eternal….Two draft picks that look like sure things for the NHL!

    Will Burkie stand for another lightweight on the top 6? He got rid of Stempniak who has turned out to be a good utility forward after he left the Flames….and of course, Byron was deemed expendable too.

  • The Fall

    how do you take a room full of pros and say, “thanks guys, but we’re really pulling for this 18 year old kid to turn things around next years, sooooo….”

    *** the Flames issue is obvious. After the All Star break, the Flames had 3 of the five worse goalies in the league. almost any back up on any team had better numbers ***

    “sorry Johnny, I know you worked really hard to excel in every league you’ve ever played in despite your size, but…”

    “sorry, Gio, I know you went undrafted (twice) and worked your way to be one of the top Captains in the NHL, but…”

    “sorry, Machael, I know we signed you as the top free agent based on a year of high shooting %, but…”

    “sorry, TJ, I know this is the prime of your career, but…”

    “sorry, Dougie, your most successful years are already behind you…”

    These conversations are not happening.

  • The Fall

    The Flames have 14% of the players from the first round of the 2013 draft under contract (6, 22, 24, 28). They also have FIVE other first round picks as regulars (Sam 4, Backs 24 , JoCo 6, Dougie 9, Frolik 10). …did I miss someone?

    There is no shortage of talent.

    The players above are looking great.

    Think about it: 6 of their starters are first rounders and still developing, there are 3 other first rounders in the pool, AND their 3 best players were late rounders or undrafted. Thats half of a roster. Plus the two Colts above and the young Kylington.

    Time to buy a goalie.

  • Jumping Jack Flash

    So one of the many big questions for Flames management to ponder if Calgary falls outside of the Top 5 picks, is would you give up you first and 2 seconds to take a run at one of the top 3? Assuming that the top 3 are: Mathews, Laine, and Pdog and given that our extra 2nd round picks are late rounders….I would do it.

    All 3 players have NHL sized bodies, and could jump the que to play in the NHL next year…and have an impact. It is pretty safe to say that Mathews might not be secured for this deal but an astute GM could bite on the offer for the other two.

    IMO A player that can step in next year is worth the gamble. It gives us another year with Gio in his prime and Brodie dominating. Another player in the top 6 and above average goaltending will put calgary in the mix.

  • freethe flames

    I’m very interested to what these two will do next year. Pollock as well. Having a top 3 pick this would be awesome. The question is if we dropped out of the top 5 would we move it for someone who could help us. I could see Mangiapane playing on the wing with Bennett and Ferland.

  • King Quong

    I get all the stuff about Tanking previously and how Chicago Pittsburgh and La have all picked high but that was a different NHL era these new lottery rules will change all of that this is going to be the start of a new era.

  • Backburner

    A steal in the 6th round.

    It looks like the Flames have their Johnny 2.0 who could be 2nd line LW offensive threat.

    Some great looking RW prospects this year if they could draft in the top 5: Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, Nylander.

    Future looks bright.