FB Mailbag – May 8, 2017

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As the playoffs heat up, the Calgary Flames offseason is only starting to unfold. Aside from the doldrums of August, the period between the second round and Cup final tends to be operational dead time for the teams who are out of it.

Which isn’t to say Brad Treliving and company are simply on vacation. The front office has a lot to prep for in June – the expansion draft, the entry draft, and then free agency all occur in rapid succession. And given the fact that the two drafts may act as trade catalysts, it likely means Brad will have his fingers in a number of different pies by the time the first day of summer rolls around.

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The real question is – what would Vegas want? There’s a chance they’ll take him for nothing. On the other hand there may be no way to take that deal.

When it comes to expendable assets, the Flames probably have a few they should be willing to part with. Hunter Shinkaruk, Oliver Kylington (*gasp*), and Mogan Klimchuk come to mind, although guys like that probably aren’t enough to get the deal done on their own. Unfortunately, Calgary currently lacks a second and third round pick this year, meaning they don’t have the typical currency for these kinds of transactions.

Which means the club would likely have to surrender a top prospect (Jon Gillies, Tyler Parsons, Mark Jankowski, Rasmus Andersson, Dillon Dube, etc.) or their first round pick (16th overall). I don’t think the org will be willing to do that, especially since they can buy Brouwer out if needed:

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Here’s the problem for Brian Elliott – he visibly buckled in the spotlight of the playoffs and he doesn’t have a history as a clear-cut starter in the NHL. Add in his terrible start to the season and it likely makes it difficult for Flames management to trust him moving forward.

The flip side is, Elliott probably won’t be able to ask for a big, long-term deal after his rollercoaster regular season and spectacular flameout in the playoffs. Which means he might be an option to sign as a two-year stopgap if all else fails this summer. There is still a mountain of evidence from the past five-plus years that suggests Elliott is a better than average goalie, meaning he could be in line for a rebound. However, I’d be very surprised if Treliving and co. go back to that well, given how completely Elliott failed to meet expectations.

As for finding other goaltenders, there likely hasn’t been a better time to a buyer in the netminder market. There are a handful of UFAs to consider, including Elliott, Ben Bishop, Jonathan Bernier, and Antti Raanta. Not to mention a bunch of guys who may be made available due to the expansion draft. Aside from the obvious Marc-Andre Fleury in Pittsburgh, there is: Calvin Pickard, Philipp Grubauer, Petr Mrazek, Joonas Korpisalo, and James Reimer.

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No, because that puts the Flames in the same situation as the teams in question.

If Calgary adds another top four defender prior to the expansion draft, that means they’d have to expose one of T.J. Brodie, Mark Giordano, or Dougie Hamilton. Otherwise, the club has the option of protecting eight skaters and one goalie – meaning four defenders and four forwards. Up front, that would mean protecting Sam Bennett, Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan and Mikael Backlund, leaving guys Michael Frolik and Micheal Ferland exposed (one of whom would definitely be plucked by Vegas).

So in any trade for a top four defender, the full price would be (trade assets + one of Frolik or Ferland). It would have to be an awfully good player for that to make sense for the Flames.

No question it is losing Giordano as a partner. When you go from playing with one of the best defenders in the league to a rotating cast featuring Dennis Wideman, Deryk Engelland, and Michael Stone, it is bound to make a difference.

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Unfortunately for Brodie and the Flames, there aren’t a lot of great options currently. The best, as mentioned ad nauseam on FN, is Cody Franson, who should come at a reasonable price and has put up perpetually good underlying numbers over the years. Other guys I would consider include Brendan Smith, Brian Campbell, and Andrei Markov (assuming any of these guys could be had relatively cheap).

Other well-known names are Dimitry Kulikov and Karl Alzner. I am less enthusiastic about these options because each player’s reputation seems to outpace his actual ability:

Neither guy can score and neither guy can effectively drive play. Best to look elsewhere since both guys are likely to be looking for relatively rich contracts this summer.

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The thing is you can never really construct the “ideal” fourth line because it is typically made up of all the guys on your roster who can’t play higher in the rotation.

That said, my philosophy on roster construction would move away from the archetypal fourth line of “bangers and crashers” and to one of situational opportunity. By which I mean my fourth line is where I would stash specialists and hopefuls with upside.

By specialists, I mean guys who have a clear area of the game where they are above average even if they can’t really hang at even strength anymore. That could be PP specialists, PK guys, shootout wizards, or even faceoff experts. Usually, these are former top six forwards or stars who are starting to slow down.

On the other hand, I’d also use the fourth line to rotate in the top performing hopefuls from the farm during the season. The bottom of the rotation should be where an organization tests their prospects and helps the kids get their feet wet. Unfortunately what usually happens is a team’s ill-considered contracts sink to the bottom, stuffing the pipeline with big, immovable deals.

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Speaking of which, I’d always shoot to have guys at around $1M or less on the fourth line. The salary cap is an efficiency contest after all, so organizations should be spending most of their dollars on stars and impact players, not the depth.

In the Flames’ case, it’s actually impossible to construct the ideal fourth line given the contracts on the books currently. At least two of Troy Brouwer, Matt Stajan, and Lance Bouma are likely to be back next year, making it difficult to fulfill the requirements listed above.

If we pretend none of those deals exist, however, we could do something like this:

Curtis Lazar – Mark Jankowski – Jarome Iginla/Sam Gagner/P.A. Parenteau

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I personally think all parties should move on, but it’s certainly possible – as long as Iginla would be willing to come back to Calgary as PP specialist/depth option on a cheap deal. I’m not sure he’d be willing to do that, honestly.

And, as mentioned, the Flames have a very cluttered bottom of the rotation right now thanks to all the expensive vets hanging around. If Treliving could clear out all of the deadwood from the fourth line it would be far more palatable to bring Iggy in as the fourth line RW/PP guy. Right now, I don’t really see where he fits.

We’ve already gone over the partner options for Brodie above. Another top six forward is an even more difficult proposition this year. T.J. Oshie and Alexander Radulov are the cream of the crop, but they are unlikely to land in Calgary. After them, you have guys who are decent but aging rapidly: Justin Williams, Jaromir Jagr, Radim Vrbata, and P.A. Parenteau.

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My default position would be to trade down and get a few more picks in the top 60 if possible. That said, it also depends on who is available at 16 when the Flames pick. If Nick Suzuki somehow falls to the Flames, for instance, then I would take the player and eschew the trade.

Otherwise, Treliving should definitely see if any teams below the Flames would be willing to swap a second round pick in order to move up a few places.

My guess is it will be a bridge deal in the two-year, $6M range ($3M/year). While it might be interesting to contemplate a longer-term contract, chances are neither the team or player is too interested in that sort of gamble at this point.


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  • Bean-counting cowboy

    I like the idea of trading Brouwer for an expansion risk goalie option of another team. Think Brouwer + the 3rd round pick we would have paid to re-sign Elliot for Fleury or Jimmy Howard. Heck I’d even do Brouwer for Lehtonen or Niemi given those deals only last one year – in that case re-sign Elliot or Bishop in free agency with the cap room saved to hold down the fort.

  • buts

    Just throwin this out there….after the expansion draft and knowing JH wants to play close to home…..would the devils give up there #1 and say Taylor Hall for JH and our #1 pick or should BT consider the flyers #1 and Simmonds for JH and our #1. Hischier looked great at the wjhc, and Patrick would fit in well. It would check off a lot of box’s for both sides. Lastly, could JH be traded for Tavares and Hamonic/draft picks be something. I’m saying this because JH looked scared in the playoffs, he wants to play close to home and his value is high. Maximize your assets.

    • #97TRAIN

      You really need to think this through. You think Jersey is giving up Taylor Hall a number one overall and this year’s first which is also a number 1 overall for a small Gaudreau who does get his points and makes more money than Hall and their first pick. Hall’s possession number are among the leagues best. No way Jersey makes that trade.

  • T&A4Flames

    I’m not completely opposed to a Cody Franson signing but I just have a feeling that he would become the next Troy Brouwer. You know, getting his tires all pumped up by FN writers and commenters alike as a solid move and then getting trashed as his abilities don’t quite match up to expectations and (probably) salary.

    • Cfan in Van

      The one major difference being that nobody from this site were pumping Brouwer’s tires and saying he would be a solid move. He was seen as someone who hasn’t done a whole lot in the regular season, and had one or two decent playoff performances.

    • ThisBigMouthIsRight

      Reading some Sabers pages I’ve noticed a very disturbing trend among them, Cody Franson seems to be their Denis Wideman.. They can’t wait to get rid of him…Not Good. I think I’d rather have a Kulak, Wotherspoon or Anderson given the chance!

  • Tombstone

    Oilers where smart to draft Mcphees kid, making him the happiest dad alive.
    I think don’t George will do any favours for CGY.
    The best thing CGY can do if they want a goalie is to trade Pittsburg for Marc-Andre Fluery before the expansion draft. Bishop will probably not sign in CGY.

  • Tombstone

    Tavares is signing with NYI. He said he wants to be a NYI. Those elite players are very loyal to the organization that drafted them. He’s not going anywhere.

      • Tombstone

        It’s a lot deeper than that. Those types of players make strong connections with the fans and charities. Also they attract other players to sign. They make good relations with their teammates.
        Tavares does a lot of good work for the community. He’s not a selfish guy. Yes he will be looking for a good pay day but he’s one of the most under paid athlete in the NHL. Tavares will probably get a Benn type contract. $9.5 million/ year.

  • #97TRAIN

    Flames need something other than Franson in the bottom 3 before that defense is complete.try adding some NHL experience before giving a spot to a young defenseman in the system. Work them in slowly.

  • everton fc

    Brouwer for Fluery would be a deal I’d back. We have to dump Brouwer’s contract. Moving our first to get two seconds – is this what people are proposing?? The move for Lazar costing us a second really looks like a huge gamble. Hope it works out.

    We simply need to stay to course one more year. Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland gives us the potential of a line with three 20+ goal scorers. If we can secure both Versteeg and Chiasson, and give the Versteeg-Bennett-Chiasson line more time to gel, you may have three guys who give 12-15+ goals a season. The Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik line should be left alone, but moving Tkachuk to RW on Monahan’s line, and Ferland to LW w/Baklund and Frolik (Ferland’s natural position)… That might be the only move I make.

    We need to dump a contract (or two), finalize our goalie situation for next season (Fluery/Johnson sounds good to me), hopefully keep Kulak and give him and Andersson a chance (or trade for a guy like Gudas or even Polak)… Sign Stone cheap… Stay the course. The real hole is that we are not incredibly deep on the farm, and have no picks this summer. So we have less of a chance of stocking the cupboards. Alas, that’s where we’re at. With a season of GG’s “system” under their belts, and the results there of, past January 2017… This team is not in that desperate a situation. Keeping our first and getting a player like Suzuki or Hague at #16… Not a bad first pick. And we have Gillies and Rittich to consider – if one, or both are “ready”, does one of them become trade bait next summer??

    • supra steve

      “Moving our first to get two seconds – is this what people are proposing?? The move for Lazar costing us a second really looks like a huge gamble.”…… More likely moving back a few to several spots in the first and then getting the second as compensation, at least that’s how it’s generally done.

  • cjc

    Trying to connect a couple dots here, but if Calgary could trade down before the expansion draft and recoup a late second rounder, could they use the second to coax Las Vegas into trading for Brouwer?

  • SeanCharles

    I like how we’re already giving up on a 19 year old Kylington and grouping him in the expendable category.

    He’s already has 2 years of AHL experience and has been improving his defensive flaws. Maybe it’s not going as quickly as some would like but give him a chance, he younger than Andersson and has some elite skills. He needs more time to develop and despite what some think he is in our top prospect grouping with the rest of the guys we would be foolish to trade for Vegas taking Brouwer off our hands.

  • canadian1967

    If the buyout for Brouwer is $1.5M over 6 years, then the team should be looking to eat that $1.5 in ANY deal they can make involving Brouwer, which would save that $ figure over the last 3 years of the buyout term