152Elias Lindholm
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Rumour: Flames talking to Carolina about Elias Lindholm

The National Hockey League’s 31 clubs have gathered in Dallas, Texas for the 2018 NHL Draft. Since all the hockey operations staffs are in the same city at the same time, there’s bound to be trade rumours that pop up. Our friends at TSN revealed a doozy of a rumour involving the Calgary Flames and the Carolina Hurricanes, with the Flames reportedly considering a swap for Elias Lindholm.

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Lindholm, 23, will be a restricted free agent on July 1. He’s best known as the player that was drafted immediately before Calgary’s goal-scoring machine Sean Monahan in 2013. It probably won’t shock you to discover that the Flames – figuring they’d get either Lindholm or Monahan – scouted the heck out of Lindholm. He’s a two-way forward (who plays center and the wing) that’s more of a distributor than a shooter, but he could potentially complement Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau quite nicely. He’s been a perennial 40-45 point scorer, which probably means he gets a similar cap hit as Max Domi just did ($3.15 million) if he signs for a similar length of time.

In the TSN segment, Pierre Lebrun speculates that the Flames would send Dougie Hamilton to Carolina and potentially this could be part of a larger transaction. The big question here is what else would be coming back, because swapping out Hamilton without replacing him with somebody of similar stature – and there aren’t many of those – would be quite dumb.

(And I’m not wholly convinced that Hamilton would be moving, because of course the first player you’d ask the Flames to send you for anything is Hamilton.)

Swap out Hamilton, and Calgary’s three defensive pairings become some combination of:

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  • Mark Giordano & TJ Brodie
  • Juuso Valimaki & Travis Hamonic
  • Brett Kulak & Michael Stone
  • Rasmus Andersson

And all due respect to Brodie, but he’s struggled on the second pairing for the past two seasons. It really wouldn’t make sense to bump him up to the top pairing, no matter how impressive Valimaki has been as a junior player.

It’s an interesting proposition, though, as the right-handed Swedish forward sure would fit the Flames’ needs. We’ll have more on this – and all the wacky rumours that pop up this weekend – as draft weekend continues.

    • Atomic Clown

      50 points from a dman for 40 points from a winger. I’ll stop being a flames fan if that happens, unless there’s 5 first round picks packaged with Lindholm. I hear the jets have some nice jerseys…

      • buts

        See you later in another jersey bud. Hamilton is getting moved…..get used to that happening. Doubt that it’s for Lindholm. I’ll drive him to the airport……wait DH was gone out of town before exit interviews started. And you think he’s a future captain. Ya right.

        • buts

          I apologize AC as I have been harsh on DH. I see so much untapped potential in him both offensively, defensively and physically. The guy could win the Norris easily if he just gave a crap. Warrener said in the winter that his give a crap meter was stuck in low. He doesn’t stick up for teammates, at crucial moments he has mental lapses. Was he misused by GG absolutely, the bottom line is we don’t know what he was like in the room, my guess is quiet, his brother was on the team for more reasons than we know. I’d love to see him on right wing for a few games ala Burns and Byuglin then throw him back on D. Regardless he gets us the biggest return and we have depth on D.

          • Atomic Clown

            If you get an offer you cannot refuse, you absolutely trade him. And I’ve never said he’s captain material. I think he’s the exact opposite, since he doesn’t have the edge or heat that someone like Gio or Tkachuk brings. I understand as fans we expect different things out of players, and that’s fine. I personally am more than happy with him if he can consistently put up 50+ points and be defensive reliable. I understand not everyone can be Doughty or Lidstrom.

    • oilcanboyd

      Toronto media hoping the Leafs could get Dougie cheap if this is what the Flames are asking…. Any rumours out of Long Island (Lou Lam) that the Flames are shopping Hamilton?

  • knappsacked

    Lindholm is an ideal target, but not for hamilton. More realistic and ideal is brodie for lindholm.

    If hamilton has to move, and believe me when i say i really advise against it, it would require 2 of the following 3 pieces: lindholm, hanafin, 2 overall pick.

    Again, i dont think hamiltin should go anywhere, but if we get 2 of those 3 pieces then the value is there.

  • ALowry

    I think everyone here is hitting the nail on the head. Lindholm is a nice piece, and would help our depth, but Tre would never send Dougie away just for that. I imagine Hanafin would have to be in the conversation. I’d be thrilled if we get their #2 pick but don’t see that happening at all.
    Still curious as to why Hamilton is the one in the rumors (probably because he’s the one everyone is asking about). The only thing I can think of is maybe management has had it with his lazy dumb penalties, but let Peters coach it out of him. Or maybe Dougie is just immature and didn’t like Freddie leaving. I have no idea. It’s still slightly mind-boggling to me.

    • whysoserious

      what people are overlooking is Tre’s earlier comment about changing the culture of the dressing room in light of what transpired the last few months of the season. Could that be why DH is being shopped? that is what happened in Boston according to another GM’s insight in a matchsticksgasoline article. If we can package DH for 3 pieces that we desperately need AND improve the dressing room, you go Tre!!

  • withachance

    The video clearly states that if Dougie is moved, it is part of a bigger package. Don’t know why everyone here gets the idea that it’s going to be a 1 for 1.

    I’m in the camp of not trading Dougie unless it’s for a legit RW (like Panarin or something). Wouldn’t even trade Dougie for Marner tbh. A deal for Lindholm would probably need a Faulk deal to happen first, as Carolina would need a Top 4 D to replace him with.

    Brodie for Lindholm and a 3rd seems reasonable.

    • ALowry

      Yes, we all realize it’s not going to be a Hamilton for Lindholm trade straight up… What I’m most concerned about is that I just don’t see a scenario where we get back the best player in the deal. Hanifin, Lindholm, Faulk, none of those guys are better than Hamilton, unless you chuck in Carolina’s pick, which isn’t happening.

  • Christopher Rogers

    My guess it will be Hamilton for Lindholm and Carolinas second overall pick. The flames have depth on defense coming and Hamilton is kind of a softie.

  • Trevy

    There’s no waaay the deal would be a one for one involving Hamilton and Lindholm. Lebrun even stated that Hamilton would be part of a “bigger” deal. Besides, why would Carolina trade offense for yet another defenseman. Therefore, I’m thinking along the lines of Brodie for Lindholm or Hamilton for Lindholm, Hanifin and a pick, but it wouldnt be their first round

    • Trevy

      Just to add, the Brodie for Lindholm deal woukd probably be contingent on Carolina trading either Faulk or Hanifin for offense in a seperate deal with another team

  • freethe flames

    Ryan thanks for posting something I mentioned on another thread; I’m glad to know I’m not just making things up. Like most I am reluctant to move Hamilton but if the return was high enough I would do so. One advantage of making a trade with Carolina is BP knows their players and those who would come know what to expect from him and his system. The question is can the two GM’s find a package that works for them. If it gets done and we get Lindholm, Hanifin plus we should consider it a fair deal. Again what did we pay for Dougie? A first(mid first round) and 2 seconds. This looks like 2 former first rounders who have become solid NHLer’s that looks solid to me.

  • freethe flames

    Let’s take the emotions out of this for a moment. Would this trade make the Flames better? Hamilton had 44 points last year as did Lindholm(he has averaged @43 points the last 3 years) so a 1 for 1 deal would not work for the Flames. But if you added Hanifin who has averaged 27 points a year over his 3 seasons in the NHL and would fill part of the gap left by Hamilton leaving it is not as bad a people think. Two former 5th over all picks for a guy we paid a mid first rounder and two second rounders for does not seem to me to be a bad thing. If we got another asset with it say their second rounder or Zykov I don’t know how this would be a bad thing.

    • Jagrrrrr, baby. Yeah.

      Don’t forget that Dougie got those points without getting much PP1 time until the last 1/3 of the season. If Peters plays him on PP1 all year, he’ll smash past 44 points.

  • everton fc

    I can’t see them moving Hamilton, though there has always been something about Hamilton I haven’t liked. We’d have to backfill w/someone like Faulk. I just think it’s tire kicking. (Perhaps Brady Tkachuk pulls a Vessey, and simply doesn’t sign, so he can play w/his brother…)

    Any trade I’d make w/the Canes would have Zykov coming to Calgary. Or are the Flames targeting RW Svechnikov? I’d be interested in Svechnikov. And Zykov. Maybe more than Lindholm. How do we get all three??!! Hamilton is certainly the best asset we have, to pull of something like this…

    How can we fleece the ‘Canes, and add Zykov , their 2nd (Svechnikov), and backfill Hamilton, with Faulk? Then you reunite Brodie w/Gio, and see how things go. Interesting concept.

  • Korcan

    The only way trading Hamilton makes any sense to me is that there is more to Dougie than meets the press. Does management have an undisclosed reason for considering a trade? It is so baffling, but also intriguing because the rumors simply don’t go away.

    If they do trade him, the return had better be an indisputable win for the team because IMO Dougie is going to be a perennial 20+ goal scorer for years to come. So hard to replace that.

  • BlueMoonNigel

    No way do the Canes deal Lindholm and Hanafin for Hamilton. That’s an overpay for the Canes. Lindholm and Jake Bean plus spare parts and a draft picks.

    As to why the Flames would trade Dougie, I reported weeks ago that Hamilton hates the direction the team is moving in following the firing of Gully and the hiring of that ape Billy Peters. Hamilton wants outta here. Let’s watch Tre botch the trade of his most precious bauble.

  • Kzak

    Was really excited right up until the point Dougie Hamilton’s name was mentioned. Unless we’re getting Lindholm and the second pick (perhaps untie the Tkachuk bros), Dougie’s name should be a no-go. Otherwise, get ‘er done Tre, he’s exactly what we need.

  • freethe flames

    Before we get to excited lets see if anything plays out. Someone suggested we should get them to eat Brouwer’s contract; that is highly unlikely as one of the reasons they are likely prepared to make a 2 for 1 trade is to save money. I fully suspect the new owner has told the GM to keep the team cap friendly. With both Hanifin and Lindholm as RFA’s he’s looking to add a solid piece with term. If the package was Lindholm, Faulk instead of Hanifin and Zykov or the their second overall we should do it in a heart beat. That would still allow BT to trade TJ or Stone if needed.

    If Dougie was traded the pairings could possibly look like this:
    Hamonic/Gio personally I think they looked great on the PK together last year and would be a terrific shutdown pairing.
    Regardless of whether it is Hanifin or Faulk with Brodie this could be an effective pairing as TJ could play the right side with Hanifin. Kulak and Andersson/Stone would still be an effective 3rd pairing.

    Adding Lindholm and Zykov or Svenchnokov on the right side would solve lots of this teams short comings up front as well. But all of this is getting ahead of ourselves nothing has happened yet.

  • Squishin

    If you trade Hamilton, you do it for nothing less than their 2nd overall pick plus a depth player (perhaps Lindholm, perhaps someone else). If you do a Hamilton trade without that 2nd overall pick involved, they win the trade.

  • supra steve

    With their new coach, the Flames will have excellent insight into the entire Canes roster. If they make a deal that ships out Hamilton, I’m confident they know what they are doing.
    Hamilton, the player, will be missed…but it’s sounding like his personality may not be missed. Young star player getting moved or rumoured to be moved this often, very likely that he is not a good fit in the room.