By 3 p.m. Calgary time on Saturday, William Nylander will either sign a contract for the 2018-19 season or sit out for the rest of the campaign. If he does sign (with the Toronto Maple Leafs or somebody else), his deal will provide a good ballpark for what to expect when Matthew Tkachuk becomes a restricted free agent on July 1, 2019. But for a few reasons, Tkachuk will probably get a heftier deal.
Tkachuk will have played more NHL games on his first deal
Nylander’s played parts of four North American pro seasons, splitting the 2014-15 season (his contractual 19-year-old “slide year”) between the AHL’s Toronto Marlies and the SHL’s MODO Hockey. He split the 2015-16 season between the Marlies and Leafs – not accumulating enough NHL experience to count as a “year of service” for the purpose of unrestricted free agency – and then spent 2016-17 and 2017-18 as a full-time NHLer.
Tkachuk went directly to the Flames and has stayed there ever since. As of Saturday night’s game, Tkachuk had played 170 NHL games and since Nylander only made 185 appearances for the Leafs on his entry-level contract, Tkachuk will definitely have more NHL skates to his credit when his deal expires.
Tkachuk has slightly better point production
Nylander has 135 points in 185 NHL games, for a 0.729 points-per-game pace. Tkachuk has 126 points in 170 NHL games, for a 0.741 points-per-game pace.
That said, Tkachuk is more reliant on special teams time for his production. Nylander has a higher proportion of his points at even strength than Tkachuk – 69.6% versus Tkachuk’s 68.3% – though their even strength points-per-game are extremely similar – 0.508 for Nylander, 0.506 for Tkachuk.
Tkachuk has slightly better goal production
Nylander has 48 goals in 185 NHL games, for a 0.259 goals-per-game pace. Tkachuk has 49 goals in 170 NHL games, for a 0.288 goals-per-game pace.
Nylander scores a higher proportion of his goals at even strength than Tkachuk – 68.8% versus 65.3% for Tkachuk – but Tkachuk scores at even strength at a high per-game rate – 0.188 versus Nylander’s 0.178.
Tkachuk arguably drives play more
Tkachuk has a higher Corsi For percentage than Nylander – 57.0% versus Nylander’s 52.6% – and a higher Relative Corsi percentage than Nylander – +6.5% versus Nylander’s +1.9%.
We can debate what those numbers precisely mean, but functionally what it means is that Tkachuk’s line has the puck more often than Nylander’s line (and more often relative to the other lines on both of their teams in that span).
Both players have had help
Tkachuk’s most frequent even strength linemates during his entry level years have been Selke candidate Mikael Backlund, Michael Frolik, Norris contender Mark Giordano, and some combination of TJ Brodie and Dougie Hamilton. You can argue that it’s easy to look good when you’re surrounded by good players.
But Nylander has also played with some pretty good players. His most frequent even strength linemates are Zach Hyman, Auston Matthews, Jake Gardiner and Morgan Rielly. The depth of the Leafs during Nylander’s time has also been a plus for him, as it has allowed them to use him further down in the line rotations than the Flames have been able to use Tkachuk.
Tkachuk has had more challenging deployments
Playing with Backlund and Giordano has its downsides. Among Tkachuk’s most frequent forward opponents at even strength: Ryan Getzlaf, Nathan MacKinnon, Mikko Rantanen, Joe Pavelski, Anze Kopitar and Sidney Crosby. He’s started 43.4% of his shifts in the offensive zone.
Among Nylander’s most frequent even strength opponents: Sam Reinhart, Vincent Trocheck, Nick Bjugstad, Frans Nielsen, Henrik Zetterberg, Gustav Nyquist and Jakub Voracek. He’s started 52.6% of his shifts in the offensive zone.
Tkachuk has a good case for higher compensation
When you compare their roles, situations and performances during their entry level years, both Nylander and Tkachuk are very impressive young players.
But there are several small reasons why Tkachuk is arguably more important to the Flames’ success than Nylander is to the Leafs’. So whatever cap hit Nylander produces on his new deal, expect that to be the basis for Tkachuk’s camp to ask general manager Brad Treliving to give him a little bit more.
Hope Nylander doesn’t get signed. Only way he’s getting the 9mil he was asking for is if the leafs fire Dubas and hire Chiarelli. I think 7mil is still too much for Nylander.
But yes, Tkachuk should get more than Nylander.
“Pay that man his money” John malkovich in Rounders
GfG??
“Kids got ally-gator blod, keeps hang-ink around” 🙂
Lol I wanted to double cheer that. Under rated movie. ?
I’m so excited for this to get settled quietly with a fair contract.
As is BT tradition. (Gaudreau was a little testy, but ol BT proved his Balzac as a new GM. Impressed with Dubas.)
If not for Peter Chiarelli signing McDavid first and then giving away the farm to Leon, Toronto wouldn’t be in this mess.
PC should have signed Leon first since he was an RFA. He had a full year before needing to sign McDavid. Makes no sense. Probably would have saved him 3-4 million on the combined contracts.
Good on Toronto (can’t believe I said that) for trying to reset RFA values. Hope they hold firm and somewhat fix the mess that the PC created. This should help the Flames with the Tkachuk contract.
They all know the rules going in.
great to see a of millennials in TO do what they do: JT gets to live out his dream and WN waits to see what the adults will give up to make him happy.
What happens in Toronto should stay in Toronto… Getting tired of this public soap opera (which is endlessly generated mostly by Toronto media). Nylander getting EI payments from the NHLPA to sit out. Who else could forego 7 million dollars for principle? Getting compensation, that is how.
My view of the world Saturday morning; this may change if Nylander signs for 5 million this afternoon (past 12:30 TO time)
If that greedy little snot gets EI payments…Wow! What a poor boy.
Toronto’s off season: solve a problem they don’t have.
Worst thing that could happen for the teams with talented upcoming RFAs is if He signs a bridge deal to see what everyone gets next year!
Move along Tre, nothing to read here…
Exactly! LMAO, it is even tough to come up with how Treliving will pitch how young Matthew Tkachuk needs to improve on things, so he doesn’t earn a massive contract.
Brad Treliving: “Um, yeah, but his skating isn’t that great. Plus those suspensions and injuries really add up!”
Byng’s Agent: “Oh, you were finished? Oh well allow me to retort.”
Matthew Tkachuk will make the NHL Hall of Fame.
William Nylander will not.
I agree by TKACHUK s 4rth nhl game I said he would be in the Hall of Fame and hopefully the Hall of Flame as he was the most impressive Flames rookie I’ve ever seen by far ! ,
Matthew Tkachuk loves hockey so much, he’ll get into coaching or management many years down the road as well. His feel and IQ for the game is off the charts.
I don’t know…Nieuwendyk was quite impressive his first couple/few years. in my eyes, he would be the most impressive rookie the Flames ever had. Loob and Tkachuk fighting for second…
You must be pretty young because I could think of one or two Flames rookies with pretty awesomely impressive seasons. Joe’s Calder trophy season for one. The Golden Brett was so great we were able to trade him for cup winning pieces. Theo with 34 points in first 36 games. Could even throw in Suter and his Calder trophy season. Could throw a shout out to Iggy and Phanuef’s rookie seasons. Gee and Mony and Johnny and decent rookie seasons too. Tkackuk is pretty up there though.
I still think that Nieuwy had the best all out career of any Flame in history. Loob has always been connected with the organization and works for them today. Can’t forget Vernon or what Robert’s has contributed to hockey as a whole. Gio probably the best leader in Flames history. Lanny and Iggy know where their hearts are. I think Tkachuk could be a combination of everything to this team. It will be fun to watch his career enfold front and center.
Brett only had (almost) a .50 Goals/per game when he was a Flame (26G/52GP) his 1st real year. It’s hard to assess a player when they are out of shape lmao. It was a savvy “depth” trade at the time…but wow? He had over 40 goals the next season, and we knew how he turned out after that. This turned out to be one of the Flames worst trades in history, but was masked by a cup win the following year. It’s funny how no one talks about how bad that trade was for the Flames.
Rob Ramage was a former first overall pick and was one of the few ones to ever play for the flames. Not a bad piece to add.
If CHIARELLI was half competent he would have Byng and Barzal on McDavids wings and a second line with Drisaddle Hall and Eberle.
etc.
Long live CHIARELLI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WW
This right here is the world’s greatest Prozac
Being able to write “Harvard educated”, “lawyer”, and “Stanley Cup winner” on your resume sure seems to have many long term perks.
Peter Chiarelli will go down in history as one of the worst hockey GM’s ever.
Just don’t tell Daryl Katz. Hey, Chia-Pet is doing a bang-up job Mr. Katz, honest!
I think CHIARELLI has one more “good” trade in him; probably involving RNH or Drisaddle…
Come on Chia; ONE MORE!!!!
WW
Wow, that would have been a ridiculous top six. So glad we don’t have to play against that collection of players.
Wow. So Edmonton could have had this:
Tkachuk – McDavid – Barzal
Hall – Draisaitl – Eberle
and instead played last game with this:
Draisaitl – McDavid – Chiasson
Caggiula – Nugent-Hopkins – Puljujarvi
LOL
Just found this … posted Today Dec 1st, 2018 … (not-so) funnily enough.
Peter Chiarelli’s moves for the Oil in all their magnificent glory!
https://thesportsdaily.com/2018/12/01/peter-chiarellis-trades-and-signings-with-the-edmonton-oilers/
He’s an absolute beauty!
Ouch! When you put it that way…
Quick Sign TKACHUK first !!
So what does Tkachuk get? 7 x 8? 8 x 8?
8 x 8.5
7 x 8
6 x 7
I’d go 8M if it got you 8 years.
The good- Lindholm’s $4.85 M x6 year per season looks like a steal.
The bad- ( Cap hit)
Tkachuk’s value to this team is going to break the internal cap of $6.75M, regardless whether Nylander signs
The ugly- Neal’s $5.75M x 5 years.
Trade and draft. That’s what Treliving is good at. Otherwise, UFA signings are like Poker Stars…and we all know Treliving doesn’t always play his hand right.
Treliving isn’t good at anything and watch him bung up the “TURTLES” contract.
#couldahadreaves
Haha, good to see you back Mickey!
Ryan Reeves- 5 goals , 4 assists- 9 points. (+5)
James unReal Deal- 3 goals, 2 assists- 5 points. (-5 )
# shouldahavereeves
Reaves said no and decided to stay in Vegas.
I’m tellin’ ya… get it checked out. There’s something wrong with your brain ?
Jesse Puljujarvi
Drafted by Edmonton Oilers
– round 1 #4 overall 2016 NHL Entry Draft
2018-19 Bakersfield Condors* AHL ….. 4 2 2 4 7 2
2018-19 Edmonton Oilers NHL ……. 14 2 0 2 8 -6
NHL Totals …………………………… 107 15 15 30 32
POOLPARTY!!
Ciapet is still dumpster diving for RWs off the waiver wire or marginal NHLers from other teams…
Does their latest waiver pick up put them at the end of the line for future waivers?
That’s good in case an interesting goalie shows up, we get to pick before the Oilers….
WW
You are a sad little man lol.
He’s mad not sad lol
Hes a nerd who should stop posting for every one benefit
Neal was a calculated signing. Compliance buyout when Seattle enters the league.
Senators leading the Josers 2-1 in Ottawa….Go Sens Go!
Now 3-1!
8×8 would be absolutely perfect. Matty’s getting better year over year, can’t imagine how good he’ll be when he’s 25 ?
8X8 would be great. Dube takes over for Backlund (who is traded for a young RD or goalie) in a year or two and we’ve got lots of cap room.
Backlund has a no trade…….
WW
Did that hurt you to type? lol
Stfu ww
BREAKING NEWS FROM TORONTO: NYLANDER
Nylander just signed a six year deal at $6.9 million per season, Tkachuk will easily top that.
Kyle Dubas did huge a favour by bringing the contract floor back down for themselves next year (Marner, Matthews), the Flames (Tkachuk), Carolina (Aho), Winnipeg (Laine), Colorado (Rantanen), etc. Once again Peter Chiarelli proves the only one incapable of coming to a reasonable deal for a free agent.
Why?
Why? meant for RKD
Turtle isn’t worth 6M.
Give the “Turtle ” Magic dustman’s money and then trade Cokey!
What do you call Draisaitl, who refused to even look Matty’s way, when he cheap-shotted Tkachuk? Oh right, he’s not there to do anything other than float. Don’t worry about backchecking, just wait at the other blueline for a McDavid pass. In fact, just wait for the 2 on 1 that McDavid will create and wait for the last second pass. Awesome player. Creates zero by himself. $8.5m winger that can only play with McJezzub.
I find this mentality constantly invigorating! He is now called “Turtle” because he made a call and drew a triple minor. Drew a triple minor!? Think about it… Who the @#$%* does that? Oh yeah…yet another hockey star for the Calgary Flames!
Good for the bum. Be fun if he got button holed by Wilson.
I’m torn on this actually… On one hand, MT is becoming the NEW NHL dream player? He presents every asset complimentary in todays NHL and is becoming one of the most complete players in the game today.
he would be worth a mint to any team in the league. This signing could very well define what Treviling is all about. The saving grace with Tkachuk is him being somewhat a throwback in mentality as well? Where some greats truly do put their team before all else? This is what we all hope for when it comes down to it, in the middle of the summer when nothing is going on. Tkachuk takes a home town discount south of 7 Mil for the next 5-6 years. knowing one…that he is that good to cash in huge after this contract. two…that he sets an example for the team as a whole. Kind of like Nashville in a way? Helping with the overall culture when it comes to building a good team. Having faith in your GM as well.
This season and next summer will truly dictate who this team really is, in the scheme of things.
I for one am pretty happy with how this team is progressing. We have a constant reminder of how bad it could be, just a couple/few hours north.
No doubt he is worth the numbers the are starting to circulate threw hockey media. I still have faith that he is the type that thinks beyond that. This summer should be fun…
Our future is very bright, the elite talent we have up front (Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Monahan) coupled with our up and coming forwards (Jankowski, Dube, Bennet) and our young promising depth on D (Hanifin, Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington) has me so pumped! Expect a cup in the next 5 years Flames fans! GFG ?
I am assuming you are talking about Cokey, everthing seems bright and magical. Time for Fleury to step in and intervene.
Wanna fight me little man?
Bring the “Turtle” and a shovel.
Idiot
Hungry for some curb are you El CID? Lol you pathetic little man.
Serious question:
Is this a tradable contract?
Can they get a Dougie for this in the off season?
Nylander got a 24.5 million signing bonus. What does this mean bunky? His AAV cap is still 6.9 million. A tradeable contract because his salary will be less than 4 million per year. Am I right or am I wrong?
Good fit for Carolina if that is the case!
I’m VAN, OTT, ARZ… offersheet Matthews at league max.
Any team in this league…offer sheet for this player? Another reason why this could get kind of interesting? Another reason for both sides to just hack out a quiet signing before RFA presents itself? This type of player presents so many variables…
If Matthews is just chasing the money, he might sign an offer sheet if it was presented. But if he wants to go where he has a good chance to win a Cup or two, very few teams have cap space, four 1st round picks, and a good roster. My suspicion is that he would simply not sign any offer sheet, but might use the threat of one to get a slightly higher pay package from the Leafs.
So then pro-rated for 2018? Am I reading that right? he gets 6.9mil for the rest of this season?
This is what I read, “First year salary is pro rated $10M salary (6.77 M) plus a full $2M signing bonus. Net number of $8.77M. AAV of $10.2M.
In out years, the AAV is $6.996M.
In year two, base salary is $700K, SB of $8.3M.
In remaining years, $2.5M in base salary plus $3.5M SB.”
And I laugh and I laugh…… Treliving has to give the TURTLE 8M! and I laugh and I laugh. Is there one player on that team worth what they are paid? NOPE! Kind of makes Leon and Connor budget deals wouldn’t you say?
“Kind of makes Leon and Connor budget deals wouldn’t you say?”
No, Cid. No it does not.
Karlsson for Nylander at the deadline: cup contenders?
How many B grade defenceman do you need?
McDavid is definitely bottom to Draisaitl, why else would he be setting him up all the time? He needs that sweet German love.
Connor McDavid makes 12.5 million: he is 10th in the NHL in points per games played.
Just fun with numbers. No context.
I think he will get a lot more than i will
Shill and Ras r gonna’ be a top four pair minimum for a decade going forward. Jusso looks to be better than both. Gio is a stud, Hanny’s going to play a thousand games in Flames silks, Brode’s been to the resurrection party and Hammy’s so ugly no one’s gonna’ take ‘em even at the deadline… Flames ? defence is looking kind of good going forward hey?
Yeah well… we got Larsson and the Kleffbomb, Russell and Sexera when he gets his prosthetic fixed, Darnell swears he won’t beat up the Nazi anymore and The only reason Bouchy ain’t here is ‘cuz our old coach was a psycho, counters mental ‘el cid!
Oops dare go da cookies, Treliving better be all in again this year because this is the last chance! flames just don’t have the goaltentending,defence or sober fowards to pull out a playoff spot this year.
Nylander’s new contract has a cap hit around 6.9MM per year, after all the bonuses and the pro-rating for the late start are taken into account. Works out to about 115,000 per point. If his point totals go up, it ends up being a good deal for Toronto.
If Tkachuk gets 70 points this year, that puts him in the 8MM per year range on an equivalent contract. Sounds about right.
Should BT trade Gaudreau for Brady Tkachuk to save cap space? He’s scoring a point per game in Ottawa as a rookie.
Gaudreau and Neal for Brady Tkachuk and Mark Stone? That would be a frightening top six.
I think that is a Treliving deal! Except Cokey is damaged goods but if he throws in the first round pick (if he has any left) maybe and an overpriced Hamonic.
You have far too much time on your hands el cid, and quite frankly it’s sad that you resort to trolling. Perhaps you could actually contribute a realistic perspective to the conversation, and have a cordial dialogue with some of our members. I’m sure they would be pleased to talk hockey with you; rather than the nonsense that you’re spewing.