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TJ Brodie suddenly very important on Calgary’s blueline

A trade involving TJ Brodie seemed a formality when the Flames kicked off their offseason. But, almost four full months into Calgary’s summer, Brodie remains a member of the team and the likelihood of dealing him seems much less as August begins. In fact, with training camp just over a month away, Brodie’s role feels a whole lot more important now than it did when things wrapped up in April.

The right side

With Michael Stone’s buyout made official late last week, the Flames are left with just two natural right shot defenders with NHL experience: Travis Hamonic and Rasmus Andersson. Even though he actually shoots left, we’ll lump Brodie into the right side conversation, too; as we know, he’s somewhat of an anomaly preferring to play on the off side. That leaves Calgary with a blueline depth chart looking something like below.

Left D Right D
Mark Giordano Travis Hamonic
Noah Hanifin TJ Brodie
Juuso Valimaki Rasmus Andersson
Oliver Kylington
Brandon Davidson
Rinat Valiev

Head coach Bill Peters is on the record with his preference for a left and right shot on each pair, which technically won’t be possible with the current roster. However, Peters is also fine playing Brodie on the right, which gives him three pairings that fit the bill. But what if someone gets injured?

Brodie’s role

With Stone no longer in the fold, the Flames have a little less of a cushion on the right side. Say what you want about Stone’s contract, but he was still an NHL defender and gave the team nice flexibility. The buyout had to happen, but it definitely puts more pressure on the remaining players on that side. All of a sudden, Brodie’s ability to eat big minutes and play up and down the depth chart becomes far more important.

Mark Giordano-Rasmus Andersson
Noah Hanifin-Travis Hamonic
Juuso Valimaki-TJ Brodie

The alignment above is how most believe Calgary will start the season on the back, injuries not withstanding. Considering Hamonic has never played more than 74 games in a season, though, there’s a solid chance Brodie will have to play an elevated role if indeed he starts on the third pair.

Furthermore, as high as I am on Andersson, he has very limited experience playing top pairing minutes. As much as I think that’s where he’ll be for the bulk of his career, a few growing pains this year wouldn’t be unheard of. If that’s the case, Peters always has the ability to move Brodie back up with Giordano.

Brodie has had his struggles over the last three seasons, but as frustrated as he might make you, he still belongs in the NHL. At this stage, I don’t think Brodie is best used on the top pair, but he provides the Flames with versatility. Brodie can still log big minutes and can play up and down the lineup; if he’s in Calgary to start the season, he’ll present the team with options.

Is a trade still possible?

TJ Brodie

Of course it is. With Matthew Tkachuk unsigned, the Flames are still actively trying to move out money. We already know Brodie was close to being part of a Nazem Kadri deal earlier this summer, so if Calgary were to move him between now and October, it won’t be a stunner. From a competitive standpoint, though, it’s no longer as attractive a proposition.

Right now, the best case if they were to trade Brodie would see the Flames get a cheaper right shot in return. I question how realistic that is, but if Calgary could bring in a d-man with NHL experience to play the right while still saving money, I think they’d jump at the chance.

A more realistic scenario could see the Flames move Brodie for a more nominal return (a mid-round draft pick, perhaps) while eating part of his salary. Of course, this would leave Calgary in a spot where they’d have to use two left shots on a third pair, which isn’t ideal. As a colleague of mine passed along, though, it’s better than not signing Tkachuk.

At this stage, I believe the chances the Flames move Brodie are significantly lower than they were in April, May, or June. As such, there’s a good chance he’s on the roster to start the season on an expiring contract. If that’s the case, his role on Calgary’s blueline looks to be far more crucial than we might have thought a few months ago.

        • SeanCharles

          Yea I agree and I’ve heard rumors of the Flames being interested in a guy like Petrovic who is a RHed depth dman.

          We also signed Yelesin out of the KHL who is RHed.

          Gio-Andersson
          Hanifin-Hamonic
          Valimaki-Kylington
          Petrovic

          Davidson-Yelesin

          It would be foolish to lose Brodie for nothing next offseason IMO given how many assets we have sent out to improve the team, we should look at the bigger picture and move Brodie now.

          • Beer League Coach

            I assumed you would trade Brodie for a top 6 RW. Also, Hanifin played on R side in Carolina occasionally, not full time RD. He and Kylington could flip back and forth as well.

          • Beer League Coach

            Yelesin is an interesting prospect. KHL all star last season. I expect he will start in Stockton to acclimatize to the North American game. If all goes well he could be in Calgary by Christmas. This could open up lots of possibilities for BT to trade from strength to improve forwards and/or pick up some draft picks for the future. Just hope that BT and Pascall can bring in enough quality D-men to give the Heat a quality defense core in the AHL. They deserve a much better D than we gave them last season.

          • WoodrowWilson

            Pretty sure the Petrovic rumours were started by Jim Matheson who claims he saw him at a golf tournament in Edmonton. I wouldn’t put any stock in with Jim has to say other than for its comedic value (Hilarious twitter follow, for anyone who could use a little comedic relief).

            Not sure Petrovic would my first choice for RHD depth. Guy could barely crack the Oilers lineup last year.

      • Raffydog

        Sounds like you should try being into school a little bit more. Btw, it’s ridiculous, not rediculous. Good grief, my phone wont even let me type that wrong on purpose.

    • cjc

      That’s interesting, as Brodie had two goals against Colorado, and has 11 points in 20 playoff games to go with a plus 1 rating. Not sure that puts him in bust territory.

      • Albertabeef

        Yep and Brodie was only on the ice for 4 goals against in 5 games. Gio and Hamonic were on the ice for 10 goals against in 5 games(really 4 games cause first one was a shutout for Smith). But everybody hates Brodie lol. I just don’t understand the hate. Sure he gives the puck away, Johnny gives it away more. Brodie and Engelland also lead this team in that series against Van when Gio awas injured. He also paired Gio to two Norris nominations with one win. I just can’t hate that smooth skating SOB!

        • BringtheFire 2.0

          For anyone interested, in 2018-19 Brodie had 100 giveaways, Gio had 65, Hanifin had 87, and Johnny had 124 (but he’s a forward, so I’m not sure he should be in this comparison of d-men), and Hamonic had 62. In the playoffs those numbers were, respectively, 8, 2, 1, 5 and 4.

          • Albertabeef

            Okay yes he gives it away lots, 8th highest in the league among Dmen. Would you prefer Brent Burns giving it away 118 times? But I still like Team Goals Against, and considering how many giveaways Brodie has he sits tied with Hanifin(and Jordie Benn) at 65th and 66th in the league in that stat. Team goals against tells you how many goals the player was on the ice for, I think for Dmen it one of the most telling of stats. Again compare Brodie’s 79 team goals against to Burn’s 106. I like Brodie, and nobody is perfect.

          • cjc

            Giveaways are a pretty misleading stat. If you look at the leaderboard, it’s always star players, talented players in the lead. That’s because they have the puck more often

    • Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis

      Travis Hamonic had a Corsi For of 38.46% in the playoffs to go along with 0 Points in 5 GP. TJ Brodie had a 44.13% and had 2 Goals in 5 GP.

      I really don’t understand why TJ Brodie takes so much heat here when Hamonic literally gets exposed horribly by faster teams every game because he has an awful pivot and zero startup speed. Teams just blow past Hamonic all game and he gets applauded because he never has a gleaming error, which is fairly easy when you never have the puck and teams just walk around you all game.

      • super6646

        Ding ding ding ding ding!

        Look, I love hammer and his character, but the flames need to be careful straying that road again. Made he same mistakes with Brouwer and Neal going for character players who were meh skaters and were showing decline in play. I don’t think it should be a given that hammer stays over Brodie, regardless of the price tre paid.

      • CowboyBob

        Hamonic – body on body guy, looks to separate you from the puck using his body. TJ – stick on stick guy, looks to knock the puck off your stick and rarely make body contact. Hamonic played mostly against Avs top line, Brodie played against Avs third and fourth lines.

        • super6646

          Yes, he spent 4/5 games on the top pairing yet played crappy competition.

          Look at the game 5 logs when Hanifin and hamonic got demoted to third pairing minutes and still sucked wind. Peters saw the problem, even if it was too little too late.

  • TheBigChef

    This is a well-written and well-reasoned article. I don’t think I agree, though.

    First of all, Stone was an NHL-defenseman, but he was also barely above replacement level. That flexibility can be had by going out and finding a cheaper replacement level player to be a #7, much like we had with Fantenburg, although someone who can play the right side.

    Second, I think the main reason Brodie is so much more expendable than someone like Frolik is the need to promote the development of Andersson, Valimaki and even Kyllington. It’s not solely about playing the right side, it’s about where those minutes come from. If Brodie is going to be a third pairing guy, we may as well move him now for some sort of assets because he is too expensive for a 3rd pairing guy and will be gone in free agency next summer anyways. Moving Brodie does not mean Andersson has to be forced into top pairing minutes if he’s not ready–Hamonic can take some minutes with Gio on the top pair as well. But Andersson deserves at least second pair minutes and Valimaki deserves a solid look too. Those minutes have to come from somewhere. Moving Brodie not only provides those minutes, but is also our best chance at simultaneously both clearing cap space and getting some assets back in return. That doesn’t mean it has to be now, but I still think it should happen, and his role is worth less on Calgary that it could be elsewhere.

    • cjc

      The same arguments could be made about Frolik – he’s blocking younger guys from the chance to play wing (Dube, Mangiapane, or Bennett could play higher up). Frolik could walk in free agency as well. Moving Frolik doesn’t force a young wing to take on responsibility they aren’t ready for (Bennett has 312 games of NHL experience).

      In an ideal world you don’t need to part with either Frolik or Brodie. The only reason a move is being contemplated, and the reason these two are considered is cap space, not because they are blocking younger players. I think Jankowski is a dark-horse trade possibility too, though it may not be enough. You can’t have too many good players on your team, and if Brodie ends up your 3-RD, so be it.

      • TheBigChef

        The difference is Andersson has a full season under his belt and has earned the minutes. Even Valimaki to an extent showed he is worthy of a full-time gig. When we are talking about covering the right side, Anderson and Hamonic can (and should) cover the top 4 minutes. Brodie then becomes a $4.6mm 3rd pairing guy, which is too much. If that’s where he is going to play, I think there should be more value in a trade (assets plus cap space) than in playing him there.

        Mangiapane showed he can be a full-time NHLer, but hasn’t played much of a role at RW in the NHL yet and so we are less certain he can take Frolik’s minutes on the RW. Dube had a great year in the AHL but hasn’t earned those minutes yet in the NHL yet. It’s on him to come in this year and do the same thing Andersson did last year. I think it’s harder (and riskier) to pencil those guys in for Frolik’s minutes than it is to pencil in some combination Hamonic, Andersson, or Valimaki for Brodie’s minutes.

        I do agree though it would be preferrable to move a lesser contract like a Jankowski or Czarnik or Ryan if the only purpose is cap space. My only point is that the article argues Brodie is more valuable than before because of our lack of RHD. I disagree and think that if he is going to end up as a third pairing guy he is more valuable as a trade chip.

        • Kevin R

          I think moving Brodie & Frolik is all part of asset management. If trading Brodie means we wont make it to the playoffs, he stays. Personally, this league has younger & younger players playing the minutes & key roles. Given the $$$ amounts they want after their ELC’s, I say play the pi$$ out of Andersson & on the top pairing while he’s cheap. See if he’s worth investing big $$$ soon enough. RH 3rd pairing D that are reliable are out there & can be acquired, for way less than than $4.625 mill. Saw that Anaheim lost out on the Shattenkirk bidding, maybe they are a trade partner for Brodie as well, they seem to be in need & have the cap space.

          • Kevin R

            Would love those trade proposals as well Garry but no way no how do the Jets make that trade. Other teams would definitely give up way more than a 32 year old vet on a final year of a contract to save what? 1.3 mill per in cap? Not gonna happen, but I would be stoked if Chevy decided he didnt like his job in the Peg & was going to do some Chiarelli style damage to the Jets. lol

    • wot96

      I agree. How is this a surprise in any way? Given the cap crunch they were always going to have to trade Brodie or Frolik and trade or buyout Stone excepting only in the unlikely situation that they could trade both Brodie and Stone – look, there’s a flying pig.

      As such, Stone was always gone so Brodie remains a mainstay unless the Flames get an offer they just can’t refuse. Which won’t happen before the TDL.

      • Garry T

        Frolik is 31. My bet is that he plays to 36 in the NHL and then goes to the Czechs Republic and plays to 40. Chevy knows this guy and his playing style would prove an asset to Winnipeg. Ehlers is surplus in that lineup so to me Winnipeg does the deal.

        • Abagofpucks

          lol your funny gary i enjoy your comments. So on ON your gary aren’t you the oiler season ticket holder that wrote that letter to the oilers that you were not renewing right.

      • Garry T

        Wot96. Boeser would be paid out of Backlund and Jankowski’s money.
        I have said this 50 times if I have said it once. This a team game. Yes there are stars. But I have not seen that Tkachuk is worth the $7-10 mil being bandied about on this and other sites. Tkachuk needs to verify / prove he is worth the big bucks. I have been a proponent for 4.5 mil. But
        In the interests of moving forward and his acknowledging this is a team game, he accepts $5.5 mil per year. For four to five years. I could get behind that as a fan. Boeser is looking for $7 mil and he is superior to Tkachuk in many ways. We have had Brouwer, Hamilton, Neal and others tell us that they deserves to be paid. Where does it stop? Give it 3 more years and a recession and teams will really regret these huge contracts.
        Remember they get paid for the minutes played and your mean average is 19 minutes. How many of these guys have nothing 90 to 120 second shifts and did zip. It happens all the time. For millions and millions of dollars per year, they should be ultra focused and at the same time be a game changer on every shift.

        • wot96

          Big contracts are shifting to the left, i.e., getting earlier in the career. Is Tkachuk worth it? Who knows? The issue is whether he has shown enough to secure a big contract from someone. I suspect he has. What I do know is that he will absolutely not sign at what you are suggesting. He could have signed an offer sheet for that already and he hasn’t, so…

          As a fan, I would like to see him back here, but not at any price. If another team signed him to an offer sheet that would see enough come back to Calgary, I would be fine with that. Let’s not confuse asset management with what we want as fans.

  • super6646

    Aren’t you (pat) one people who suggested Brodie was worth a mid round pick before the off-season and got flatly got proven wrong with the kadri (almost) trade?

    Keep moaning about how bad he is (despite playing #2 minutes and #1 minutes at ES), but he’s a very important safety net with our lack of organizational depth on the right side. Trading him for a mid rounder or 3rd pairing dman makes 0 sense as it makes the team considerably worse with 0 gain.

      • Garry T

        Re $30,000,000.00 Johnny Effect for a trade to New Jersey. You asked.
        I assumed the benefit to Jersey to be $30 million. I was wrong.
        Research provided information for the following.
        1. Jersey sears 17,500 per game. Last year’s attendance averaged 14,800
        Per game. Signing in Jersey, assume term is 5 years.

        The Johnny Effect
        2700 seats x41 seasonal games x 5 years x median seat average of $120.00 equals $66,400,000.00 and he will sell them out.
        Jerseys ….40,000 x $140.00 equals $5,600,000.00. Calculation based on Calgary sales means averaged to 17,500 patrons.
        Hats 40,000x$20.00 equals $800,000.00
        Team jackets 10,000 x $195 equals$2,000,000.00.
        Radio TV to be considered for income growth.
        So, the Johnny effect is at near $75,000,000.00.
        Taking that into consideration , we should get a lot for Johnny

  • Theo/14

    Like TSN just reported this morning. Trelivings buyouts are making it hard for the flames to even be considered a true contender anymore. GM’s try to make teams better. It can’t happen when you are wasting cap space in an already tight area. Everyone including the writers on here wanted Brodie gone. Now he’s important to this team. He is a lot like Monohan and Johnny. They are not built for playoff hockey. At least we got looooooch tho cause he is built for playoff hockey!!

      • Beer League Coach

        Monny and Johnny to Philly for Couturier and Konecny. Might need to add prospects or draft picks either way. Johnny still would like to play for his boyhood idol team, the Flyers, but they also need cap space to sign Provorov. Maybe Flames retain $2mm of salary for Johnny and do the deal straight up 2 for 2. Flyers get more offense and Johnny gets re-united with college line mate Kevin Hayes. Flames give up a bit on offense but gain that and more from 2 players who play a 200 ft game and are much better defensively. Flames would also gain some cap space and re-sign Matty and Mangi. Coots would go on line 1 with Tkachuk and Lindholm. Backs with get Mangi and Konecny on his wings.

        • JeraldinChapparal

          Philly signing Hayes looks like an overpay now, but it could pay off if he’s still there when Johnny becomes a UFA. Flames aren’t trading 13 and 23. Johnny is already iconic in the city.

          • Beer League Coach

            Any body can be traded. Nobody is irreplaceable. Even Gretzky was traded a couple of times. Having said that I would trade Johnny if the return is good and is what the Flames need to round out their roster. He should not be traded just to clear cap space.

        • Budgie

          That would clear some Cap Space-Coutier for Johnny if they include Myers the undrafted big Defenseman, Philly has some good prospects too. R hand shot Myers who Calgary let walk away from the Development Camp

          • Beer League Coach

            I included Monny because the two of them like playing together and Konecny is the type of RW that Flames need badly. Solid physical RH shot who plays a 200 ft game. All 4 of them are within a year or 2 in age. I only mentioned retained salary because Philly would need cap space to sign Provorov and would not do the deal without gaining that cap space. I put the salary retention on Johnny because you retain salary for the length of the contract; not just for 1 year. Johnny’s contract expires 1 year before Monny. I also like the idea of Myers to Flames. Being a RH Dman we could then move Brodie to Detroit for picks and/or prospects. Win win situation for all concerned.

            Another thing, if we deal with Detroit is we could take back the contract of Zetterberg or Franzen. Both are owed $1mm in actual salary. Zetterberg cap hit is just over $6mm for next 2 years and Franzen is almost $4mm for 1 year. If we sign Tkachuk long term we could use LTIR to get the contract done with Matty. If we don’t have injuries and are still cap compliant we have a cushion, in case of future injuries, so the “wasted” LTIR is still worth the salary we would have to pay to one of those Red Wings dead contracts.

        • Garry T

          For Johnny, who would be the player on his arrival, who would generate $30,000,000 in Jersey sales and top up seats to fill the rink, you ask for both of those guys. Monny you trade tp Ottawa and get prospects and picks. He lives in Etobicoke but was a local hero in Ottawa.

  • Theo/14

    Also i would like to ask. How long is Tres leash? He signed Stone to an 11 million dollar contract when his stats showed he was easily replaceable (Especially from within our own prospects). Not only that, tre gave up 2 draft picks to aquire stone!!! Only to buy him out!!!

    • Raffydog

      Just typical Flamesnation rhetoric. They give Treliving god like status because he signed Monahan and Guadreau to great contracts, but bury their heads in the sand when it comes to the multiple mistakes that buffoon has made.

    • Kevin R

      That isnt how execs & big dollar business works. Tre has a ceiling of real $$$ he can spend, cap $$$ are part of NHL operations. Just because he buys out Stone & Brouwer has diddly squat to do with owners thinking he’s a bad GM. Its based on spending real $$$’s & success. How many years straight were we out of the playoffs before Tre came along? Then in Tre’s tenure how many times have we made the playoffs. Playoff games are extra revenue to the owners. Now if Tre has too many buyouts that impacts the performance of the team, then that’s a different issue & will determine his fate. So Tre’s leash is a lot longer than you think. The 2 draft picks to acquire Stone means nothing to the owners. Cmon, you’re smarter than this.

      • JeraldinChapparal

        We’ve had some terrible GM’s here. Terrible. BT at least works the phones. We gave away Gilmour and Phanuef to the leafs for stale magic beans without seeing if there were better offers. BT Strengths: drafting, trading, signing studs to good contracts. Weaknesses: free agent RW signings. Having been around long enough to live through Risebrough, Coates, Button, Sutter, Feaster and Burke, this is the most satisfied I’ve been since Fletcher. Last year ended badly, and we’re currently not as deep as last year. But that was a fun 107 point season with below average goaltending, 4 youngsters playing significant minutes on defence and little depth scoring. First in the west, 2nd overall and the 2nd most goals. Maybe this year the kids, the bottom six, the goalies and the coaches all learn, grow and improve to help them go on a deep run.

        • Kevin R

          Was around for all those days as well. It’s probably why I am just happy that we got our thug in our lineup now. Were you ever at the Oiler-Flame games in the mid eighties & when Semenko & hunter were punching the lights out of most tough guys in the league & the two had some pretty good bouts themselves? 19000 people standing & yelling when those two went to a corner & dropped the gloves. Heck the TV hype for battle of Alberta games were almost the same as the Vince McMahon Summer Slam hype. Now that was fun hockey.

      • LannyMac

        Your right Kev approx 3 mil in buyout money and 5.25 for an absolutely brutal free agent signing means nothing. It’s only 10% of the cap or an elite player.

        • Kevin R

          All that horrible Tre has done & we still were able to be the top seed out of the West. Better fire the guy, right Lanny? That 5.25 mill you say is so horrible, Tre probably saved at least that amount on the rock star contracts he got Hanifin & Lindholm to sign.

          • LannyMac

            I didn’t say the guy needs to go. I do know that GMs of champion teams rarely if ever tie up the money Tre has. Calgary is a good team imagine what they would be like with an additional approx 8 mil. Tkachuk gets signed and hopefully a very good RW sounds like a Cup favourite to me.

          • Kevin R

            Honestly, I dont think buyouts is the prerequisite to winning a Cup. Having dead money does lessen the chances of getting the right pieces for a playoff run. To say ownership have Tre on a short leash is what I am initially responding to.

      • Albertabeef

        Sorry Kevin I’s like to give Feaster a lot more of the credit for getting us back to the playoffs. Tre has kept us from consistent playoff happiness. We have won one playoff game in the last 4 years!

        • Kevin R

          Yup he did start the revamping of our farm system & drafting. But for a Lawyer, he came perilously close to becoming the worst GM ever had things gone sideways on that offer sheet on ROR. Not getting the player & losing Monahan & I cant remember who else we got with that other pick we would have given to the Avs, but that is grounds for termination by any owner. Not an accident he hasnt gotten another GM gig in the league, havent even heard of him getting interviews for GM positions since. At least ChiePet got interviewed by the Wild, which I am not quite too sure how that happens.

          • Albertabeef

            He had some issues, but still deserves some credit for Mony, Jonny, and Janks.
            We can even give Dutter credit for Gio, Brodie, and Backs.

            Now then 4 of those 6 players include 2/3 of our first line and our top pair D. Feaster went off the board with Mony and in TSN’s redraft they had him 2nd overall. Johnny was a brilliant pick. With Tre, Benny and Chucky were the consensus top picks available. We have yet to see any “Johhny” type players from Tre yet. I mean that “yet” too. Chucky is kind of close but not quite as skilled as Johnny. Andersson, Valimaki, and Kylington look good. Pelletier, Pospisil and MEP could be good, but probably not “Johnny” good.

            As for ROR, he lead his team in the regular season and the playoffs and got a Conn Smythe trophy. Maybe Feaster knew something about this guy. Still probably for the best it didn’t work out, but that Stanley cup and Conn Smythe trophy would’ve looked good with the Flames lol.

  • JeraldinChapparal

    If you’re hoping Yelesin is a mid season replacement, so you can trade Brodie during the year, then you’d likely keep Brodie with Gio to maximize his trade value. If the plan is to keep Brodie all year and then let him walk, he can play with anyone but Hamonic. If Brodie and Hamonic are both on the team in October, don’t expect them to be traded. They’ll be called BT’s deadline acquisitions.

    • Albertabeef

      That really depends on where the team is standing wise in January and what he can get for them. If we are not in a playoff position we will see then both go at the TDL. If we are looking great and look destined for the playoffs, they might not get traded if the return is not helpful. They can both be extended come January as well.

  • CowboyBob

    Honestly, I’ve always had a soft spot for TJ, great skater, effective at getting the puck out of his end, good at dealing with the forecheck pressure. Having said that I have seen a change in his game the last two season, one is certainly the bone head give away that would get a Bantam player benched. But more concerning is that he has become even more of a stick of stick checker as opposed to a body on body player. This means his body position is usually wrong as he is too far over to the right. (Which is why he is actually better playing RD than LD). Besides positioning, stick on stick d man are the easiest to play against, they rarely hit or rub you out and usually stop skating when their stick makes contact with the puck carriers stick. Body on body dman line up with the body. And look to make body contact first to separate the puck carrier from the puck. In the playoffs stick on stick defenders are pretty much useless. Not sure if this because of coaching, as a lot of flames players are stick on stick checkers (maybe this is a coaching issue) or just his natural way of playing.

  • BlueMoonNigel

    TJ has been in the league how long, yet he still makes those boners Patty knows and accepts that young Ras will make. Maybe Patty has forgotten just how often TJ gave pucks away in his own end in the last couple of seasons.

    Just because there is no market for TJ, it doesn’t make him more valuable to the Flames. Might have to keep him but he gets 3rd pairing minutes until he proves he can play more competently when defending his own zone.

    • Albertabeef

      Brent Burns had 18 more giveaways than Brodie and was a Norris finalist. It’s all part and parcel for a modern quick transitional game. There is a misdset in Dmen to get the puck up to their forwards as quickly as possible. This type of hockey tends to produce more turnovers. I accept it as a part of the game as long as it has more positive results than negative. Like really he is 8th in giveaways by Dmen and 66th in the league among Dmen in on ice goals against. 27 goals against less than Burns.

      But let’s add takeaways too, Brodie ranks 5th in the league among Dmen. Burn was #1 with 20 more takeaways just for the record, and Gio had 5 more than Brodie. But people see him as a third pair guy? Okay then lol.

  • Jobu

    Jobu isn’t a big Brodie fan, but he understands the reasoning behind keeping him on. While many have prompted that Andersson could cover Brodie easily, Jobu’s not sure why you would ever want to mess with a Norris winning combination.

    Fact is Gio performs better with Brodie as his partner. Could there be a better option out there? Sure, but why use a year of our cup window trying to prove one out?

  • Derzie

    So are right and left referring to which side they play best on or handedness? I sure hope it is ‘sides’. Otherwise, why in heavens name would we care about handedness? Either the guy fills the role on a side or he doesn’t. The only people who should care which handedness he is, is the guy who orders sticks.

    • deantheraven

      Handedness makes a huge difference on defense. Pinches are easier on offense, moving the puck against the forecheck is easier because it’s easier to use the boards and your stick to make plays.
      Physics and geometry.

  • Willi P

    T.J. Brodie will enter his 8th year of being an important part of Calgary’s blue line. Suddenly, “very important”?

    And Jobu is totally correct, Giordano’s best years, by far, have been playing with Brodie but FN needs their whipping boy.

    • Budgie

      Moving Brodie will be a mistake, Gio and Brodie are a pairing, Smith is gone-the transition to forwards might be Brodie and Gio skating and passing, the open ice passes are gone from Smith. Brodie skates well, has a decent shot, he can correct his giveaways by not trying Smith style passes

    • HAL MacInnis

      Though there are probably some guys on here with pitchforks, I have a calculator… and the numbers don’t lie! Brodie should get a good return for us, I tells ya!

      Brodie is a pretty good defenceman, but if we were to ever get another forward of skill, I’d trade his ass in a heartbeat because we have the defensive depth to do so. Strike while the iron is hot, I says!

      • deantheraven

        If he was a part of the deal for Kadri, then we’re not the only ones who think Brodie’s got value around the league.
        I used to say I’d be happy to see him go for picks. The only thing this article changed for me is the fact that everyone her thinks nobody else can play their off-side on D. If no deal for Brodie happens before the TDL, he’ll go then regardless of who we have on RD.
        Personally, I’m having a hard time picturing Brodie being anything resembling effective for the first half of the season, given the fact that he’s been mentioned in more trade rumours than anyone else. His mental game has been suspect for ever. This year won’t go well if he doesn’t have a new address by February.

    • Abagofpucks

      I hear the fans here giving their 2 cents worth on who to trade and who stays but the one thing that has to happen is BT needs cap space to sign Turtle. Also going into the season right up against the cap with no wiggle room is also a bad idea in case of injury and you need to make a deal for the short term. Bottom line is BT needs to move a contract out and it has to happen before the season starts.

      • HOCKEY83

        Is that the bottom line…Really? Ya this has been a thing since the off season started. What’s your point. The flames need to get rid of a couple mil of salary to get it done. The Oil have an AHL team with no hope for the future. McDavid’s remaining 7 years will be up before you know it and after wasting the first 10 years of his career in Edmonton he will want to go to a contender.

        • Abagofpucks

          No rush in worrying about Mcd sir, if BT keeps TJ who is leaving, no GM is going to do you any favors. Frolik is only attractive to a few teams and nobody is going to give you what you want in return. Czarnik is an option to move but is it enough? In your top 6 the only guy i see that could get moved is Mony, he makes the most sense, disappears in playoffs isn’t a fast skater picks up nagging injurys.

          • HOCKEY83

            Thankfully it isn’t “my top six” as you stated and not my problem. It’s all worked out up to now with the flames and I’m confident it will all be good to start the season. I think it would be much harder to take to watch one of the best players in the league waste the first 10 years of his career on a garbage team then just hoping a team can move a player for a couple mil of salary cap space.

          • HOCKEY83

            What does that have to do with abagofpucks commenting on what horrible trouble the flames are in because they…oh no…have to trade someone to sign Tkachuk?

          • HOCKEY83

            I hope the flames give the fans a chance to see playoff games every year…when they do that they’ve had a successful season. It sucks to lose in the first round but it’s better than not having the chance to lose in the first round. So…Ya…after soooo many years of diehard cheering for a team that never made the playoffs…yup just making the playoffs makes me happy.

          • HOCKEY83

            Some times buy-outs are needed to be cap compliant as in the case this season. I really don’t care how they get there as long as they get there…it’s not my money they’re wasting. They also need to trade away a player….whether they get something for that player or not..nothing I can do about it except maybe complain on a site like this about it briefly in which will make absolutely no difference at all and then move on. As I said…I’ll just be happy if the Flames ice a team that can make it to the playoffs. Ya it sucks to lose 4 straight in the playoffs or 1 of 5 but the flames have also won series they’ve had no business winning in the past…That’s hockey.

        • Mr. J

          Hello friendly neighbors to the south!
          @Hockey83
          A couple points I’d like to make since you are living in la la land. I see you are constantly worried about our Connor. I will point out a real ugly stat for you lol Connor since coming into the league has played 13 playoff games…. Johnny boy and the flames have only played in 9 games since that time!! Here is an uglier stat. Johnnys stats in those 9 playoff games…. 0 goals 3 assists lmao. Connor has 5 goals and 9 points which isn’t even that good for Connors standards.

          So after reading that I wonder if you shouldn’t be changing your question about how will Connor feel about his time in edm when 2027 comes around. Maybe you should be asking how will Johnny hockey feel (in 2 yrs when he leaves) about his time in cowtown? Pretty much wasted the first half of his career wouldn’t you say? Lol WTH has he won or accomplished? Other than getting hosed by a stingy GM. So only out of the 2nd round of the playoffs TWICE in 31 years may reveal why you so angry. I can’t believe you guys are wasting Johnny’s first half of his career. What a crying shame.

          • HOCKEY83

            I’m not angry at all. Feel a little sad for McDavid but not angry. I love watching great hockey players which is why I watch every edmonton game and try to watch as much of the other top players that I can. My gosh I would hope McDavid has better stats than Johnny he is a first overall pick, a generational talent making 12.5 mil per year. I’ve never been delusional about Gaudreau being here longer than his contract. The difference between the 2 players is that johnny is a 4th round player the flames took a chance on and it paid off. He wasn’t supposed to be the franchise savior like McDavid is supposed to be. Hopefully The Oil get something good for him when he does leave or maybe by then The oil will have had another couple of lottery wins.

          • HOCKEY83

            Gaudreau had a better points per game stat than Mcdavid during both of their first 2 playoff series.
            9 points in 13 games for McDavid and 9 points in 11 games for gaudreau.

  • Herringchoker1971

    This article is so stupid. I listen to Steinberg online sometimes when I’m jonesing for Flames talk. He has his own odd take on this team that sometimes like this article I just think really….you get paid for these comments. Do you really think that or is it a trick to piss people off and get them talking. There’s parts of Brodies game that I like but, theres times where he seems to lose focus. I personally would trade him but, I wouldn’t do it until the season is on and everyone is signed. Brodie has to much value to just give away. Frolik is the man to sacrifice. He will be missed but, Bennett can take his spot and Mangiapane can move up. It would be a wash. Brodie should be saved to get us a 3RW that shoots right or picks/prospects unless Czarnek finds another gear. I would like a bit more size on the 3RW spot though.

    • Herringchoker1971

      My guess is Tre is getting garbage offers for Brodie as teams try and take advantage. I am pretty surprised that Frolik hasnt been traded yet. He should have tons of value. I think these RFAs are gumming everything up to be honest. The teams that need a Frolik cant pull a trigger. Its a bit surprising. Maybe Brad is holding out for a big win. Its pushing closer to the season than i thought it would

    • FLT

      This is an odd take. Some who cover the Flames do throw out contentious views to get traffic (Francis) but Steinberg isn’t one of them. You say the “article is so stupid”, then go on to make a bunch of valid points of discussion in response to the article… On that note, I think your comment about Frolik is bang on. He’s a quality player on a high-but-not-crazy contract. He should net a decent return.

    • Abagofpucks

      There is another problem Hamonic is in the last year of his deal too, he’s gotta be extended or dealt before the end of next season. BT shipped a lot of draft picks to get him, it would be a cryin shame if he walked for nothing.

      • The Iggy complex

        Not really. Hamonic came in and played solid on the back end. If he plays with Hannifan again this year and helps Hannifan developer his d game even more I’m pretty happy with that.

      • HOCKEY83

        of course he will be resigned…what’s you’re point? How is that a problem. Players get resigned when contracts are up. It’s been a regular hockey practice for some time now

        • Mr. J

          @83
          Yowzers passive aggressive too I see lol I think he meant that Hamonic is going to want a raise and cap space is already limited. Hamonic is an average d man with no offensive upside. The man has heart though which to me is tough to put a price on. Just like Kris Russell has big time heart. Just not $4 million a year heart. Hamonic already makes that and will command more. 83 next time you’re at Rogers place I will buy you a drink and give you a hug.

          • HOCKEY83

            Unfortunately I don’t drink but abagofpucks idea about rolling a fat one sounds tempting. You seriously can’t believe that my comments are meant for anyone other than the king of trolls abagofpucks who comes on here 30 times a day just to cause havoc with his outrageously stupid comments. I’ve read your comments here on FN and you are usually pretty bang on with what you got to say. Don’t take offense to what’s said to abagofpucks he just deserves the same garbage slung back at him that he dishes out. Now where were we on that big fatty?

    • Abagofpucks

      HAHAHA mrroonie your talking about players on 1 yr deals making if not minimal money or league minimum, not a problem. the biggest problem will be Nurse but with all the cap space it will be just fine sir.

      The village has way bigger problems this year and next good luck you will need it.

  • 2 right skates and a wood stick

    It’s almost hockey time again with the Flames/Oilers prospects game at the Dome on Sunday, September 9 at 2PM! $5 a ticket.

    The Flames prospect camp at Winsport starts on Thursday, September 6th.

    My apologies to change the topic but I can’t wait. I enjoy watching the prospects.

  • Irocke99

    I like TJ but he needs so many things put in place for him to succeed. Can only play the right side needs a certain partner to succeed. Geez just play hockey!

  • MDG1600

    The article is ignoring the importance of where TJ plays in the line up. TJ can be replaced as a top 4 D in Calgary by Andersson. And TJ can still be a top 4 D on at least 1/2 the teams in the league and that is why he has trade value and why Calgary should trade him.

  • Albertabeef

    Bizarre stat of the day. I was just staring at the Flames playoffs stats over the last 3 playoffs(2014-19). For kicks I decided to click the total button. What I saw almost threw me off my chair. Kris Russell was actually a more efficient Dman for the Flames in the playoffs than Gio has been. Gio is tied with Tkachuk, Colborne, and Andersson(only 5 games played lol) with 3 points and 13th place in total scoring over the past 3 playoffs. Gio is tied for 5th in team goals against, and 10th in team goals for. Playoffs have not been kind to Gio.
    Gms Played Name Team goals against
    20 Backlund 23
    20 Brodie 21
    15 Engelland 20
    20 Monahan 18
    11 Russell 16
    20 Gaudreau 16
    *9* Gio 16
    20 Bennett 13
    Gms Played Name Team goals for(short list 8th-11th place)
    11 Russell 11
    15 Engelland 8
    9 Giordano 7
    11 Jones 7

  • Great Big "C

    Why on earth would you trade Brodie, he is a good player, Gio loves him, great skater, good outlet passer, passes the puck on his back hand very well, and is highly skilled. These guys are hard to find and BT knows this. He would have to get a top 6 RW in return or he will not pull the trigger. If BT does trade Brodie maybe he will package him and Frolich for a player like Vincent Trocheck and a draft pick.

    • BlueMoonNigel

      You trade Brodie because do you really want to extend him for at least $5M a season for the next six years? I don’t. Better to get something for the guy than to let him glide away as a UFA.

  • Richard B. Rittich

    The article kind of feels like a filler piece. Stone barely played last year. And most people had already written him off well before the buyout. Not exactly sudden.