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Offseason update: Brodie getting harder to move, Tkachuk and team aren’t talking

Flames-related news recently has been quiet. Perhaps a little too quiet. Ominously quiet.

On Friday’s edition of the Pinder and Steinberg show, Pat welcomed in Eric Francis via telephone to address the quiet, mostly on the TJ Brodie trade front and the Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations. As the title has already told you, there’s two major pieces of news dropped, and a whole lot of other important discussions going on.

You can listen to the 22-minute clip here, but here are some of the key points, player by player:

TJ Brodie: Francis reports that they’re still shopping him, but there’s not much interest right now, citing a person inside the organization that says it’s been “tough” (around seven minutes in). The major issue is that interested teams have already made moves, making it difficult to add Brodie. He suggests that they may need to pair him with “a guy like” Mark Jankowski in order to clear Brodie’s salary. That’s not entirely news, given that those two were Toronto-bound in the cancelled Nazem Kadri deal, but I think that the implication is that the trade return for those two won’t be as good as Kadri.

Michael Frolik: Eleven minutes in, the two briefly touch on Michael Frolik’s trade value. Again, there’s not really anything shocking: Frolik is hard to trade because of his age, his cap hit, and his relative impact on a roster. Francis suggests that teams aren’t willing to give up assets to take Frolik, but also that the Flames aren’t necessarily interested in acquiring any either – they just want to clear his salary. He again suggests that another piece may need to move to make that deal, but doesn’t offer a specific name.

Mark Jankowski: The centre’s name is bandied about a bit, both as part of a package and as a solo deal to clear up a bit of space. Francis says that there’s hesitancy in moving him from Calgary’s perspective a few times (especially at 13 minutes in), but that it might be a necessary sacrifice. He also brings up Sam Bennett (who is apparently still practising faceoffs) and Dillon Dube as potential replacements at centre.

Austin Czarnik: He is also mentioned in trade talk, and Francis says that it is a “possibility” (about 12:30 in), but that it only clears $1.25M in space.

Travis Hamonic: Around 15 minutes in, both talk about the rumours earlier this season that Hamonic was also on the trade block, dismissing it as other GMs being interested in trading for him rather than the Flames being interested in moving him. They bring up the possibility of him being moved at trade deadline if they feel they can’t come to terms with him, but Steinberg also says that he “wouldn’t be surprised” if Hamonic re-signs for two or three years.

Matthew Tkachuk: The final section of the show (about 16:30 onwards) is dedicated to the Flames’ biggest offseason task. Francis brings up what he feels are the three options for a Tkachuk contract: two years, five years, or seven years. He also believes that the longer the wait goes on, the more likely it is that Tkachuk signs a two-year deal and everyone goes through this all again in 2021. Francis also throws in that he doesn’t believe that Tkachuk is signed to start the season, though he does see him as a Calgary Flame.

After that, Steinberg really drops the hammer, not only agreeing with Francis’ assessment that Tkachuk misses part of the season, but revealing that Tkachuk and the club aren’t even talking (18 minutes). There’s no specific holdup mentioned (it might just be a staring contest, as Steinberg says that silence is what the agent wants. They don’t want to be the first RFA domino to fall), but term is likely the issue. In his conversations with various agents, Francis believes that most RFAs in this offseason are set on big money deals that take them right to UFA, and then cashing in on the market. Tkachuk’s side is pushing for that, while the Flames are pushing for more.



  • TheDallyLama

    I know at this point might be a necessity, but I would hate to see Frolik moved for almost nothing, or even worse if we had to add something for a team to indulge us. He is definitely still a useful top 9 fwd. hope this one plays out better for us than what is suggested in the article. 🔥

      • FlamesFanOtherCity

        Assume you mean $6.75m or sit out the season. No benefit to sing a low dollar deal for only two years. In two year, the typical contract ask for a player like that will be $10m. But hey, it’s much more important to say you have an internal cap and nobody gets more. How does that change in two years.

    • LannyMac

      Still hanging on to the fact that Frolik and Brodie will fetch a return eh! Look at the economics, take the blinders off and what are you left with. Exactly a sweetener to unload enough salary to sign Tkachuk in late September early October. Tkachuk will not take a bridge deal. Two reasons he is already slow and as the years go by that will start to lessen his impact and more importantly he plays a physical game a couple more concussions and his career could be in jeopardy. To much risk for any player that can get a long term contract to settle for a bridge. Team would like it but he won’t sign one. Tre knows he will have to send draft picks or youth with Fro. In order to lessen the public opinion he will send a 2nd with Fro in late September and then tell us he did everything he could but it was tough to foresee the economic climate especially with the minimal cap increase. Really Tre Really. Then immediately after he will sign Chucky and all will be happy and say well you know Tre was in a tough spot. Or you will all post well thank goodness we’re not the Coilers.

      • TheDallyLama

        @Lanny… what is with some of you posters on here? This is why I don’t post a bunch, cuz of the doom n gloom posters like yourself. You strike me as a Wannabe Raffydog. Can’t just have a civil conversation and chat back and forth, has to be the world is ending and my blinders are on and no idea what I’m talking about. Read the original post again. Do u see where I say “it may be a necessity”? Or “I hope it doesn’t play out”? But yet I have my blinders on. Whatever man-free site, free speech, post what you want. Go back into your black hole in the ground.

        • LannyMac

          I feel sorry for you it’s unfortunate that you took my comment so personally. Hang in there life is good. I’m not negative just a realist even if you see it as negative. Let’s revisit this in late September early October if my prediction is incorrect I will gladly admit it. I can’t help but believe all the evidence so far is pointing in the direction I laid out.

          • TheDallyLama

            Lol don’t feel sorry for me bud. Life is good. Summers great, love my job, everyone in good health, and I’m not a “realist” armchair GM who thinks his opinion actually matters. I enjoy the content on this site, have been reading and occasionally commenting for 3 years now. Usually enjoy the comments But today I guess I let a damn “realist” get the best of me. Take it easy Lanny, we just along for the ride pal.

      • JeraldinChapparal

        He sure looked good playing on the top line for the Czechs at the WC. 7g 14 pts in 10 games. Only Mark Stone had more points. His fancy stats are always great. Plays at both ends, can play up and down your lineup, has a cup on his resume. Who wouldn’t want him? I’m going to miss him.

  • oilcanboyd

    In my opinion the agents are conspiring to drag all RFA negotiations. The longer it all drags on, the more they can get. BIG bonus money upfront and a contract that is lockout proof.

  • Bobby Bitman

    Who will blink first in this game of chicken with MT ? I often wonder if the MT camp and the Marner camp ever factor in the fan response to a player / agent / dad demanding big money for mostly a small sample size. I doubt they care but if this goes long and the passionate fans of the flames perceive that MT s ask is unreasonable, he may go from Byng to Bung. I hope he is working on his footwork and his skating cause if he does not get significantly quicker, he’s not worth more than 6.5 (if that) IMO

    • LannyMac

      I understand your pt. Bitman but I am unfortunately old enough to know regardless of sport if things don’t get off to a good start for the Flames public opinion will turn on Tre. Fans will be screaming for Tkachuk to be signed for whatever he wants. Because G knows one player without a training camp can turn a whole season around.

  • FlamesFanOtherCity

    And we are to believe Eric Controversy? Sorry, but his opinion is nothing more than click bait. Nothing is going on in the media, but then again this isn’t Toronto. BT tends not to use the media to speed along negotiations. His other observations are nothing more than that. He reports accurately what has already happened, except he may add “get out of here” in a piece about a player bought out.

  • MDG1600

    I suggest that us fans saddle up for a protracted contract negotiation with Tkachuk. The numbers being whispered about in Toronto for Marner are that the leafs have offered 8.75 AAV for a 3 yr bridge or 10 AAV for a 6 yr. As mentioned elsewhere in the comments Tkachuks skating really concerns me and hasn’t improved as much as i’d like to see. If the Flames can’t somehow keep his cap hit under $8.5 AAV it might be time to consider trading him.

    • Flint

      Just give Tkachuk the 2-3 year deal. Especially if we’re worried about skating etc. He has no business in the same conversation as Marner, not even close. Just get it done on 2-3 years and live with the consequences if he proves us wrong. 3 year deal and he’s still and RFA. Plus, it’s when Johnny and Gio and a bunch of others will be gone. If Marner is 3×8,75 then Tkachuk is 3×7 max. Tkachuk is a stud, but Marner is a whole other level.

      • mrroonie

        When Draisaitl was signed 2 years ago, he had scored the identical 77 points to what Tkachuk put up this past season, the difference being that Tkachuk had 5 more goals. Don’t forget to factor in that Draisaitl was on a line with McDavid for 63% of his ice time that season.

        • deantheraven

          Seems like somebody else (Chia) forgot that factor. Contracts almost always leave a bitter taste in someone’s mouth. I hope it isn’t us fans who end up rueing.
          Tkachuk should sign a bridge deal, 2-3 years, at $7 mil per year. I would be willing to wait and see if his value rises, and there’ll be room to pay him if it’s in the cards that he stays. I say let him grow into the role of leader on the team and instigate the new internal cap. $7 x3.

  • calgaryfan

    It is time for the owners to play hardball with all the RFA’s and make them sit at home. The cap was brought in for the players and owners to share the revenue 50/50. All these greedy RFA’s are doing is taking money out of the pockets of fellow team mates.

  • Trevy

    I truly believe it’s the agents that are responsible for what’s currently going on in the hockey world. There are approx 36 RFA’s still waiting for contracts and these agents have to realize they’re playing with fire in a salary cap world. The players with a true love for the game will eventually instruct their agents to get a deal done as we approach Sept. I don’t think Tkachuk is one of these players. He’s a great rising star but I feel like he’s already got that chip of entitlement on his shoulder and is going to handcuff this team. He is not worth more than $7 mill on a bridge deal and luckily, Tre is a shrewd business man.

    As for Brodie, if there is no return value out there, then that’s ok. He’s still a great dman that eats a lot of minutes and can play up and down the rotation in case Andersson struggles or injuries occur. Frolik on the other hand, I would still try and package him up for simply the asset of cap space and to allow Dube to secure a spot

    • Bobby Bitman

      @trevy …entitlement, a vast and interesting concept that you mention. I would hazard a guess that most, if not all commenters, have worked extremely hard throughout their lives for what they have and to provide for their kids / families. Not to mention for tickets and merchandise for their fav team. T can leave a sour taste when SOME players are perceived to be entitled. The fan response to MT may be interesting f this drags on. He and his camp may not care, it it could be a different environment for the young “stud” around here. It’s already happening in the Marner comment sections. Not to mention the immediate expectations that will increase when MT signs for big dough. Maybe I.m just too old, still wearing my burgundy pant suit, but to me, there is a place for positive public perception that holds a non monetary value. Perceived greed is never a good thing In my books, but again, it may be different in today’s world.

      • Trevy

        Hey Bobby, btw big fan of Eugene Levy, which unfortunately shows my age as well. I understand your point and agree with your view, but there are players, especially ones that come from NHL bloodlines, that already know the ins and outs of contract negotiations. These are the ones that I refer to as entitled. It’s a shame the game is evolving more around money and business and in turn, the fans are the ones who feel the repercussions. These contracts are getting out of control and will ultimately cause more friction when the next NHL collective agreement begins

        • Budgie

          The real Bobby Bitman is Bobby Curtola, Edmonton’s one and only Mr. Telethon. Players finishing their ELC and then jumping into huge money is ruining the Salary Cap system and throttling teams-Mathew Tkachuk is just seeing what the market will give him-his agent leading the charge-Toronto gives Austin Mathews 12 million at 21 yrs. old-MT isn’t comparable but it has put upwards pressure on salaries

      • Budgie

        Giving a player just finishing their ELC big money is the latest trend that the agents push teams for-it is risky with unproven talent. Toronto gives Austin Mathews just under 12 million, naturally MT’s agent is shooting high, however Nylander gets under 7, who would you compare MT to? Nathan Mackinnon gets 6.3, A ho gets 8.45-I would compare MT to the 6-7 million players. Likely he will be upwards of 8 like A Ho. Would I trade MT for an A Ho-yes probably be a smart move if you are rebuilding, otherwise MT is an important player to the team as is. Higher than 8 i’d say trade him.

        You aren’t too old Bitman, Sid Dithers is too old. Too old for Rock and Roll.

      • Bobby Bitman

        I realize market value and all that but Is Skinner worth 9, or was he paid 9? There is no way imo MT is “worth” 10, but again my kids laugh at me when I’m trying to figure out something new on my iPhone. They just grab it from me and say “here just do this” and hand it back to me. I’ve learned nothing Maybe these players and agents are saying the same thing “here, just do this”. We shall see.

        • HarveysFleaCollar

          Ok. I see your point, although these RFA’S are the upper echelon of the league now. They need to get paid on these 2nd contracts because very soon gms will not be giving out contracts with term or dollars to guys in there 29s and early 30s. Look at Neal, Lucic, Shattenkirk etc.

          • Garry T

            Harvey … getting paid ….there are over 700 players in the union. Is it fair to “ pay 62 and not the rest.? This is a team game. If this keeps up, the owners will have to say I am done. Then what?

        • Albertabeef

          Do you not remember when Johnny was negotiating his last contract? He did not talk to the team or have anything to do with the negotiating. “I just sign when my agent tells me to”.

      • Bond 0097

        Oilers paid Draisaitl 8.5 for 8 years, one of only 2 – 50 goal scorers last year and also had over 100 points. You think MT is worth more than Leon? The stupid runs deep on the flames doesn’t it?

    • Kevin R

      Yup starting to get a little fed up with the RFA mentality of me me me. Im just blown away that these 21-22-23 years olds are putting their noses up to long term 8-9-10 million $$$ per deals. In fact, it makes me bitter. These guys better watch out or they will totally lose the support of fans & quite frankly just lock the SOB’s out. I hear they are whining about the escrow. Lets get rid of guaranteed contracts & then maybe the escrow can be punted. They are whining about NHL not doing enough to increase revenues, well how many players have we been whining about that dont perform anywhere close to their cap/salary. Starting to get sick of all this garbage. This is only the start, wait till next year & the year after. How many fans will have to shell out big $$$ to watch games & the young players they are paying to see are sitting out because they are so greedy. Needless to say I am turning on these players.

      As for Frolik, how could Dorian say no to Frolik if we eat a $1.0mill & their actual dollar outlay is $2.0 mill??? Surely that would be worth a 3rd to Melnyk, as the Sens would actually add a forward to their top 6 group.

      • Bobby Bitman

        @Kevin R. You make my point and I believe that more and more fans will feel this way. Regardless of their intentions, many come across as spoiled & entitled. How the MT contract shakes out and the resulting fan reaction will be interesting. I, for one do not think he’s worth over 7 but I bet he thinks he’s worth way more and will probably get it. Don’t envy Tre

      • Theo/14

        What do you expect tho. They understand the nhl life expectancy had taken a huge step back the last 5 years. There is less and less effective 30 + year old players as ever before. Young mans game. Prime is now 20-25 years old

        • Kevin R

          So they take a 7 year deal for anywhere from $56-70 million stinking dollars & they arent set for life. Gee whiz they may have to work for a pittens $3.0-4.0 mill a year on 2-3 year terms when they hit their late twenties low thirty’s. Sorry I have no sympathy for these greedy b’s who now put maxing out their earning potential over winning a Cup for the fans that make this incredible living possible.

          • deantheraven

            I used to be on the side of the players, meaning the last two lock outs when I say “used to be”. Now it’s different. It’s different in every business. 70 years ago we needed to organize labour to make it fair for the working class. NHL players are not working class, and unions have driven up the cost of doing business. Sure, owners are and perhaps always will be greedy, but I’m not sure the cost of a ticket and concession prices would continue to soar into the stratosphere if the cost of talent wasn’t going up exponentially year-by-year.
            JH (and his agent)signed for $6.75 mil when the salary cap was whatever it was. More teams should adopt the “internal cap” concept, making your best or most valuable player the highest paid until their deal expires.
            Would that be so hard to swallow?

    • LannyMac

      Let’s not forget Trevy it was the GMs that keep antiing up ridiculous salaries in order to try and keep or save there jobs. What they don’t realize that offering these stupid contracts only defers there pink slips for a latter date.

  • The Red Knight

    Might have to wait and see when these rfas get signed before teams can see what they have left to trade for Brodie or Frolik ,could be a domino effect

  • buts

    We know MT’s dad followed the money and is advising him. Myself and quite a few others all said this months ago. If I’m BT I’d let him sit. I know he’s a very very good smart hockey player but also a very very poor skater, if he gets more than 7.5 what do you pay the others? The window to trade is all but closed, Brodie will get a good return at the TDL, Frolik will get very little. BT waited too long and now he’s cornered.

  • drogon

    There’s a maximum the owners are willing to pay based on our salary structure, revenue forecast, etc. Also, we’re not operating in a big market. It’s better to keep our salaries in a tight range. I would be surprised if we offered a base salary higher than $7.0M-$7.5M which is still 8.6%-9.2% of the total cap.
    That whole RFAs situation is not good for the NHL’s image, again it will need to be addressed at the next CBA.
    Expiring old assets are piling up around the league, and it might not get better. Brodie & Frolik won’t be re-signed, better making a trade than losing them for nothing.

  • Albertabeef

    Okay, now I’m okay with trading Tkachuk to Ottawa. Not even talking to the team, get this punk outta here. We don’t need those type of players on our team.

    It would actually be funny if all the teams of this RFA crop got together and told them they would be sitting out the season if none of their contracts were signed by the end of this moth. “We stop negotiating as of September first. If you want to play the following season, you better be ready to negotiate next summer.”

          • Albertabeef

            He plays like a punk, I accept that as the player he is. However into the second week of August and his side has gone silent enough for Tre to say so publicly? Either him or his agent need to take a walk. But I don’t believe Tre should be airing the teams dirty laundry either. I miss the old days when the dirty laundry wasn’t so public, makes you really hate the businesses side of things. But Harvey will you ever have a conversation or do you just name call and add nothing to any conversation? But whatever, my give a Feuk meter pretty much just ran out.

          • HarveysFleaCollar

            Maybe I should not have verbally assaulted you, but I can only handle so much idiocracy from one poster. I will try to refrain from calling you barnyard animals or produce if you try to limit your moronic posts? Sound like a fair deal?

          • Albertabeef

            you “can only handle so much idiocracy from one poster”? Maybe you should go back and read your own posts and get mad at yourself. I post my opinion, nobody said you HAD to agree. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and you can only enjoy your own stink.

  • Theo/14

    What did I say. The tkachuk family are all business just like there good friends Marners. Now here we are trying to move Brodie and Jankowski just to frickin sign him. So we wont be able to improve this roster because of tkachuk who disappears in the playoffs. Or in other words…. when the games get tough.

  • Herringchoker1971

    Heres the issue as I see it. Chuckys agents have already told chucky what he’s worth. All situations high and low. Here’s the problem. Lets say The agent told Chucky….ok at 5 years we can get you between $8 million (number pulled out my ass for reference only). Tre’s no dummy….he knows the same number. Lets say Tre is fine with the number and makes him the offer. Chucky’s agent is gonna say…. no thank you no matter what. Nobody is budging until Marner signs. Unless the player says ok Im done with crap i need to focus. This is our reality. Also to the folks complaining about Chuckys skaking and hes not worth this or that. Here’s my opinion…..some guys need to skate as part of there game. Some guys just think the game faster than others and just know where to be. Chucky’s and Monahans game is about knowing where to be and when to be there. On a positive note….if those guys got faster they would add a whole other level to their game. One mans opinion. East coast out.

    • Bobby Bitman

      I see your point. However, if a player is paid 8-9, he should be able to win races to the puck and be a difference maker in the playoffs. I get that he’s only 21, but if he is paid big money and doesn’t deliver 8-9 million worth of value…thems are means streets out there with passionate Flames fans. We shall see what comes our way with the young stud.

    • MRL

      Monahan is a one trick pony and the opposition quite easily neutralized that trick the final third of the season and especially in the playoffs in which it was very evident he struggled with the speed.

      • deantheraven

        If there’s one guy I have confidence in improving, it’s Monny. All he’s been saying since the collective bed-crapping that happened in the playoffs is that he’s going to come back a different player-better, stronger, faster. Mark this: Monny will be the next (real value) Six Million Dollar Man (in 2016 dollars). I hope he can do it, and I hope guys like Sam Bennett (@ $2.55 mil) will show Tkachuk what it takes to earn a championship.

      • Albertabeef

        @MRL Are you an athlete? Ever had a sports injury? Ever have an operation? Ever had 4 operations in an offseason? Offseason rehab and offseason training are two very different things. Last summer Mony was rehabbing, this summer he is training. I expect him to come back better. His previous playoffs were not like this last one. Mony had 4 goals and an assists in 4 games vs the Ducks a couple seasons ago. Had 6 pts in 11 playoff games in that “Hartley’s heroes” run as a 20 years old.

        The thing nobody talks about is Mony’s assists last season jumping by 15 from the year before. Mony had a career best season in goals with 34, and 48 assists, as well as a 5 assist game(vs SJ). I haven’t given up on Mony yet.

    • CowboyBob

      I agree there is a lot to be said for knowing where to be and anticipating the play. In major junior there is still a higher percentage of not great skaters so knowing where to be can be a more valuable asset. However in the NHL the game is so fast that being a poor skater impacts you a lot more. Also, as pointed out by others, these young players all have one or two moves, tricks, shtick, whatever you want to call it, the rest of the league figures it out in a season or two. Young players need to adapt and evolve their game, I believe this is more difficult if you’re a crappy skater. Hockey is fundamental 5 core skills, shooting, passing, checking, thinking and skating. You’re simply not elite and less you can do all these well, and a couple of them really well.

  • Jimmyhaggis

    These RFA are starting to get a little greedy for my liking. I would think the average player would be starting to get a little pissed, they’re getting moved to bump salary or the GM is griding them because the team needs the cash to pay a few players.

  • SgtRoadBlock

    we going to see a lot click bait repeated stories to kill time…

    Tj,Fro will be traded or BT will do big Gamble move and try a Diff roster player to open Cap, it will happen in time no point worrying about for weeks on end.

    Seattle we got a 12 year Vet center for you name Backland 🙂 he eating up Cap and Center ice time from the Kid’s thanks for the 12 years.

    GFG

  • Dunk

    Moving Jankowski will be a huge mistake. He has been a late bloomer at every level. To give up on him now after bringing him this far would be so wrong. He has all the tools and I think will yet develope into a fine Centre. I would love to see him get a chance over Monahan on the top line. Jankowski is well rounded kills penalties has good speed for a big man and he is not a liability defensively. Johnny could bounce pucks off of him as easily as he does for Monahan…

    • Budgie

      Jankowski was our best penalty killer and led the league in SH goals-trade him? No. Trade Backlund to clear the Cap Space-no one wants Frolik or Brodie the article says. Dube and Bennett are both centers

        • Budgie

          We have extra centres and not enough RW-Frolik is RW, why get rid of him out of desperation? Backlund is good but 5 mill is about what Calgary needs for Tkachuk and Mangiapanne-Backlund 5.35 plus 7.76 but Backlund has a NTC-he would have to waive it. Calgary could end up not being able to sign Tkachuk.

      • FlamesFanOtherCity

        It would be better to have a C on the PK that could win more than 50% of the faceoff. Backlund can, but not Janko. As a player, he may be a good one to hang onto. As a defensive C, not so much.

        • SgtRoadBlock

          11 seasons how many more years you going to hold onto him when he has maybe no trade value? that what we did with Iggy his return was crap, That just facts

          if you look at Janko first 3 seasons he put up more points then did Backland First 6 seasons of his 11 with the Flames… Backland didn’t do much vs the Av’s in the playoffs on the PK… Soo maybe try a cheaper Center not like we at the Cap oh wait…

          Sometimes it ok to try something Different and i think it about time soon…

          Blaming this Kid a joke his line mates over the 3 years have been Brouwer. Jager, Neal and soon the Lucic it so bad Janko ice time got cut and he had to score goals on the PK to be helpful to the team.. That heart for the Red crest in my eyes..

          GFG

          • LannyMac

            @sgt There is definitely one part of Jankos game worth getting excited about. When the kid steps on the ice for PK duty he seems to light up and to me it’s like Jekyl. 5on5 he becomes Hyde. With his stature he should be using his body. If he had even the slightest bit of Getzlaf in him what a player he could be. Getzlaf is talented but more importantly he has a nasty streak and an ability to shield the puck and wear defenceman out. If he ever shows a little of that he could be superb 3C in the league. For me another year of uninspired hockey he is trade bait at the deadline. I regard him as Colbourne 2.0 right now there is no room for a guy with that stature playing like a diva. He should call Colbourne ask him what Tre thought of his style.

          • Albertabeef

            Backlund age 23 170gp 23g 39a 62pts 0.37ppg
            Jankowski age 24 152gp 30g 26a 56pts 0.37ppg

            Looks fairly equal to me. Very few 19, 20, and 21 year olds only play a handful of games their first 3 seasons. Comparing a kid who starts at 20 years old in the NHL and a 23 year old rookie might not be the most accurate comparison, as far as paths to the NHL. Consider Mangiapane has played 54 NHL games over the last two seasons, Andersson has played 90 NHL games over the last 3 seasons. It’s a fairly typical progression of players who don’t spend 4 years in college.

  • Burnward

    There’s like 30 RFAs right now that ha ‘ve value.

    Simple economics, the market hasn’t been set yet. So we wait like two grown adults would do over any contract negotiation.

    Relax all.

  • Bond 0097

    Look on the bright side, you’re genius that traded a real player (that had one bad year mind you) for a player that simply is a boat anchor and too lazy to fight anymore with the worst contract in the league, is the one you are trusting in negotiations with Tkachuk and managing you’re cap LOL. It’s been such a refreshing summer watching you guys fail so badly and nobody is even playing hockey yet…

    • supra steve

      “you’re” is an abbreviation for you are.
      “your” shows possession.
      I’m no spelling bee champ, this is just pretty basic stuff. May lead people to believe that you are not quite as smart as you think you are. “LOL”

    • Mitchell

      James Neal was never going to bounce back with the flames. He was either entitled, lazy or both. He was always behind the play, he couldn’t score, was slow, wasn’t all that physical, and wasnt good defensively. The thing with neal is that he needs to produce to have any positive contribution at all. Last year he didn’t do that. Perhaps he can bounce back with edmonton, but I believe it will only happen on McDavids line if he can keep up. The fallacy in your opinion is that you assume immediately that neal will be an effective player for edmonton.

      • Bond 0097

        LOL you just described lucic, but I don’t assume anything at all, I don’t CARE if Neal can still play hockey, I know that he can definitely be bought out or left unprotected in the expansion draft and lucic cannot. There is no upside to lucic unless you want him to fight our goalie lol

    • Budgie

      Then there is the player agents, they have loyalty to their commission. This article shows that Calgary can’t move Frolik or Brodie easily, how much of the team should you trade away to sign Tkachuk? If Calgary can’t trade Brodie or Frolik then what?
      We need RW, and have lots of C’s-trade a Centre, the only ones to give Cap Relief are Backlund who has a NTC, maybe he would waive it, the other is Monahan. The Flames have to make a choice, keep Frolik at RW and trade either Backlund or Monahan if Brodie can’t be traded. All of this for Tkachuk?

  • Justthateasy

    I have always said these young ingrates with her big fat managers should twist in the wind if they don’t want to play. They cause nothing but grief and dissension when they finally come back to the team.
    What happened to the Love of the Game? You are a select lucky bunch that have been given an opportunity and all the breaks. There is always someone waiting to take your spot.
    I am the consumer here and I demand that you play first and if I like it I will pay you at that point.
    I say if you don’t take a bridge then who’s up next and who wants to play?

  • TheWheeze

    Seems a lot of FN are betting the farm that if we lose Frolik and Brodie, Mangiapane and Dube will just magically slot right in. I don’t share that optimism.

  • drogon

    We need to be careful with every bit of news feed coming out. There’s always a part of reality and some speculation, especially during negotiating time. It implies that BT could be in a position of weakness, but is he really? News is out really fast and reach everyone, including the Tkachuk’s team. What was the real intention behind it? Is BT really working the phones all day and struggling to create cap space? Having “only” $7.757M available right now that terrible? We would have more and they would ask for more… Cap compliance is October 2nd.

    • Kevin R

      Right now & the same with other teams with RFA’s that want to negotiate like they are UFA’s is that Flames have tons of cap if Tkachuk wants to sit out. It’s not like any of these guys havent been offered some pretty decent deals to play hockey. Maybe if all of them wait it out & they are still waiting in November while the league continues they may want to make a deal. Personally, if they want a 2nd huge payday, then give them 4 or 5 years & let them prove themselves. Maybe we are better off with shorter term deals anyway.

      If Brodie & Frolik cant even be traded now then I suggest we go in with 21 players into the new season, injuries do happen & either we get space that way for a full roster or some other team needs to make a deal during the season. I can tell you this much, Frolik & Brodie will absolutely get better returns at the Trade Deadline. Being playoff bound & being sellers can happen.

      • Budgie

        Nothing wrong with Frolik on RW, Brodie paired with Gio, just Tkachuk and Mangiapanne are unsigned, sign Mangiapanne, Tkachuk can wait on a trade? I wouldn’t let either Brodie or Frolik go for cheap, let Tkachuk sit.

    • Kevin R

      Ironically, everyone thought Aho would have been the last one to sign the way Carolina is so tight fisted paying players. Montreal sure did them a big favour. Teams arent offer sheeting because who is going to give away 2-5 1st round picks. These RFA’s are going to find they may not have as much leverage as they think.
      How do you raise the cap & keep the revenue split at what it currently is & I doubt the NHL will just give a way a bunch of points to the players without getting anything back. Players prepared to give guaranteed contracts? That might get them 2-4% extra of the revenue streams.