Five things: Jay Feaster and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good Very Bad Week

 

 

(Author’s note: If you are one of those people who thinks I am too negative about the way the Flames are run, I advise you skip this column for reasons which the headline should make obvious. There’s nothing here for you.)

1. Let’s get the good thing out of the way

It has not under any circumstances been a good week for Jay Feaster, and while I guess, "Jay Feaster screwed up again," can’t technically qualify as news in July 2013, it’s at least important to note that he isn’t totally terrible at his job.

Early this week he successfully acquired winger TJ Galiardi from the San Jose Sharks for the low, low price of a fourth-round pick two drafts from now. This is good business, as is signing him to a one-year deal for next to nothing. Getting even a warm body to fill out the NHL roster for almost no cost at all, in terms of assets or money, is a very good thing.

There are concerns there, of course. That Galiardi won’t even come close to replicating what he did in his rookie year, which was no especially great shakes itself, is obviously front and center, because he couldn’t even succeed in terms of production when he was inexplicably slotted onto San Jose’s top line.

But again, it’s a low-cost deal with no risk beyond this season if it doesn’t work out, and you’d rather they give that kind of deal to a 25-year-old than a 34-year-old just for the sake of getting Experience In The Room or whatever nonsense they could cook up. That’s because, if he succeeds, you don’t have to have any qualms about giving him another three years without expecting everything to flatline at some point during the deal.

Now, with that praise having been doled out, it’s time to get into the far larger number of things Feaster screwed up since last we spoke. You’ve been warned. Twice.

2. The first bad thing

Not long after 5T was published last week came news that the Flames had traded Alex Tanguay and Cory Sarich for David Jones and Shane O’Brien, which is a trade I don’t really understand at all.

On the surface, it’s the team moving its famous "post-apex" players for those that are decidedly "pre-apex," though taking on an addition $500,000 in salary to do so. That’s an extremely negligible amount of money, but it grows to an additional $2.5 million against the cap in 2014-15 because O’Brien is signed for an additional year beyond what Sarich was.

So what’s the problem with this trade: It’s what it represents. The words people used in talking about this deal are the ones Feaster has been parrotting needlessly since everyone in the front office realized how bad the team was late last season. "Bigger," "harder to play against," the ideals of an era long gone. O’Brien is an obvious upgrade over Sarich, because just about anybody would be (Sarich really only succeeded by even meager terms because his competition was garbage, though it should be noted O’Brien’s better performance in terms of corsi relative was also against relatively low-quality opponents).

Jones, meanwhile, may be younger than Tanguay but he’s also appreciably worse, signed for the same amount of time, and for more money. He was good a few years ago, and the theory is that the Change of Scenery will do him good, but I’d really like to see it before I start believing it.

This was a deal made with a good idea in mind, so credit there, but the execution was certainly lacking.

3. Another mistake

That, I suppose, brings us to the two other obvious screw-ups, both of which were made at the draft. I’m not hugely in favor of taking Sean Monahan over Valeri Nichushkin (Monahan being the one guy in the consensus top-6 I wasn’t totally sold on, based on the information available to me), but it’s probably the safer pick, so I can’t really begrudge it. 

However, when it comes to Emile Poirier, though, I thought that pick was outrageous. Not specifically because I don’t think the player can turn into an NHLer, per se — though I’m always dubious of a highlight reel that’s nothing but him blowing the doors off some poor-skating CHL defenseman to the outside, and of first-round QMJHL wingers in general — but because few had him going at No. 22. Judging by his reaction when his name was called, that included Poirier himself. This was made more troubling by the fact that Hunter Shinkaruk was just sitting there, waiting to be chosen several picks after everyone assumed he’d be taken.

Of course, Feaster assures everyone that Poirier was safely inside Calgary’s top 10 draft-eligible prospects, which seems odd for a guy for whom the buzz was that he "might" go in the first round. Kent called it a "no brainer" when Shinkaruk was there at 22, and yet here we are with that player as Canucks property and Poirier already talking about making the team. Woof.

This goes back to Calgary’s supreme confidence in its scouting, because even a decent pick at No. 28 like Morgan Klimchuk, whom they swear they had at No. 13, shows that if they have a plan, they don’t deviate. Meaning that a team which hasn’t drafted particularly well in forever is putting all its faith in internal scouting, and not deviating from its plans no matter what.

Is Poirier going to be a better NHLer than Shinkaruk? I don’t know. But I know that every other hockey person on earth didn’t think so on Sunday afternoon. I can’t go around putting a lot of faith in the thinking that led to an off-the-board-of-picks-that-were-off-the-board pick like Mark Jankowski. As it was put to me at the conclusion of the first round: The fact that we’re using "It could have been worse" as praise for the team’s drafting at this point tells you everything you need to know. Especially when you’re talking about The Most Important Draft In The History Of The Calgary Flames. 

The other guy who they shouldn’t have drafted is Keegan Kanzig, who objectively sucks at hockey, and was selected when a number of more enticing prospects including Jordan Subban were still available.

You just really can’t trust the Flames to not screw things up at draft time. That’s the lesson here.

4. Comments on Lecavalier

And you can say the same thing about the lip service paid to the rebuild. The second an over-30 player in which the Flames had any interest came on the market (Vinny Lecavalier), all pretense of pursuing only "pre-apex" players went directly out the window.

Jay Feaster practically performed an interpretive dance routine in talking about how badly he would like Lecavalier in Calgary, all but screaming that when it comes to players of his ilk (assumedly, this means 33-year-old second-line centers who had just been bought out and whom Feaster had previously managed) "transcend post-apex." That, for those scoring at home, is shorthand for "All that stuff I’ve been saying is BS." This is the guy being trusted to rebuild the Flames. It’s insanity.

The only reason that we’re not talking about Lecavalier being on the team as a result of the team having been so thoroughly mismanaged to this point that it’s no longer a prime free agent destination, if it ever was one, which is debatable. Thankfully, the Flyers, too, are in the business of giving out questionable free agent contracts, and they at least present the illusion of success.

5. Brodie’s fixing to be offer-sheeted

Just prior to my writing this, it was revealed that Jay Feaster has yet to even open negotiations with TJ Brodie about a new contract, since he is about to become a restricted free agent starting tomorrow.

We’ve been told that this is fairly common practice: GMs and player agents alike are fairly happy to wait around, let UFAs set the market, and then negotiate a deal toward the end of summer. Okay, fine.

But there’s a problem for Feaster specifically, and something that should give people pause overall. Feaster is the most recent general manager to do the worst thing a person in his job can do: He offer sheeted another team’s player. This makes him and the Flames’ RFAs, of which there are several, targets. And of those targets, only a small number would actually be worth the trouble. At the very tipppy-top of that list is Brodie, who teams in the market for defensemen — say, I don’t know, Colorado — would likely do very well to add.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see someone pay Brodie a little more than market value on an offer sheet just to twist the knife with the Flames’ rebuild plans. And maybe that GM will actually have the benefit of understanding how NHL waivers work.

6. B-B-B-BONUS-S-S-S-S THING

There is, of course, a way for Feaster to redeem himself. Yesterday, for seemingly no good reasons, the Wild and Sabres bought out two players that Calgary should be targeting hard. Tom Gilbert, a 30-year-old former Oiler though he is, could provide help in the near-term and maybe create some flexibility to trade someone with actual value (Giordano) while they still have it.

Gerbe, meanwhile, is just 25 and was completely misused by Lindy Ruff in each of the last two seasons — largely in a checking role — and is certainly worth a shot with another club that, say, has plenty of minutes to go around in its top six and needs warm bodies. He’s being bought out, by the way, on a deal that pays him just $1.45 million against the cap for next season only. Someone would be wise to at least give him another chance, because he’s just two seasons removed from scoring 16 goals in 64 games.

Get either one of these guys, and that’s a step back in the right direction.

  • Danger

    Warning: This post is largely about writing style, not hockey. Feel free to skip it if you’re not interested in that. Also, it’s a long one. Like RexLibris long.

    I usually refrain from commenting on tone or writing style on FN – it’s a hockey blog, not a literary magazine, after all – but today I’m making an exception because of all the bile that has been directed at Lambert’s writings as of late.

    I enjoyed this week’s 5T (as I often do), but I especially liked the fact that in spite of extra warnings about pessimism, this was actually a pretty balanced take with several (mildly) positive comments. Given the kind of week it’s been, I don’t think you could honestly have said any nicer things about the Flames’ moves.

    Obviously, the tone was still a bit snarky, but that’s just Lambert’s writing style. Personally, I enjoy a bit of snark so I really don’t see it as a problem. I have no idea if I am in the majority or the minority on this matter, but certainly the people who don’t like the acerbic stylings of Mr. Lambert are very vocal about it. I therefore think it’s only fair that I should speak up and express my appreciation of this kind of writing.

    I’m not saying that those who dislike this kind of writing are wrong, just reminding them that taste is subjective. Plus, it’s not like Lambert is making up all the questionable things Feaster has done. For whatever reason, our GM seems determined to make one questionable or just bad move for every decent or good move he makes. He does make some good moves, to be sure, but that makes it all the more mystifying and frustrating when he goes out the very next day and makes boneheaded mistakes.

    • I agree 100%, EXCEPT for that this is about the length of a parenthetical or subtitle in one of RexLibris’ enormous musings. I didn’t even have to scroll down mid-post.

      @RL– A great read as always Ryan– I’m glad you came out swinging after the grouchery you’ve been subjected to lately.

      • Danger

        Fair enough – and my little rant there wasn’t directed at you per se, more the frequent mentions of Lambert’s pessimism that have been cropping up in other threads lately.

        FWIW, I certainly don’t agree with Lambert on everything either. The Tanguay trade wasn’t great, but it was better than buying those two out, which seemed to be the alternative from my perspective.

    • icedawg_42

      Agreed. Nothing in here that should really get anyone’s hairs up. Im taking a ‘wait and see’ on Poirier. Feaster wasn’t the first or only GM to pass on Shinkurak, and we’ve all heard the ‘rumors’ about his attitude, so apparently the Flames staff had their reasons. If it was a matter of not expecting him to be available, and simply not being able to think on the fly – that’s a different story. Totally agree on the coke machine pick. What a waste. Again – baffling…Almost as baffling as TJ Brodie signing not being TOPS on the to-do list. WTF is going on there. As far as the Monahan pick…my gut feeling is that the Flames really wanted Lindholm and really thought they were going to get him. To me Monahan is still the next best thing. All in all, we’ll have to reserve judgement until all the dust settles.

      I’m a fan of TJ Galiardi, and the trade altogether. I think it’s all positive, given the money and term. The problem here is that the Flames have assembled plenty of ‘supporting cast’, and their 2 best assets/players have yet to be signed in Brodie and Backlund. Ok – we get it, depth. Good job on depth…now get to work on some top end stuff. THANK GOD Lecavalier went somewhere else. Now if we can just avoid the grenade and pass on Bozak.

    • Captain Ron

      Nice Lambert apologist comment. You sound like his Mom. “Oh he was a little bit snarky today but that’s just my Ryan.”

      His “attack ad” style of writing is the reason that some “bile” is directed his way in the aftermath. Not everyone likes it.

      Since some one has already done it for me I won’t bother to criticize his suggestions that we “seriously” look at signing Tom Gilbert. After all Jay Feaster and Flames management I will assume can redeem themselves in his eyes if they do this:

      “There is, of course, a way for Feaster to redeem himself. Yesterday, for seemingly no good reasons, the Wild and Sabres bought out two players that Calgary should be targeting hard. Tom Gilbert, a 30-year-old former Oiler though he is, could provide help in the near-term and maybe create some flexibility to trade someone with actual value (Giordano) while they still have it.”

      No mention of Minny’s goaltending save percentage of somewhere around .875 last year with Gilbert on the ice though. Must have been his on ice partners fault.

      On top of that we could add another smurf who was possibly underutilized in Buffalo.

      Yup this is just what the Flames need. Of all the players that will be available we should “target” these two guys.

      After criticizing Feaster for things such as draft choice preferences in the first round that may or may not work out based on the general consensus of others he obviously holds in higher regard than him, he lays that last bit of brilliance on us.

      For the most part RL reaps what he sows. I’m sure he knows that.

  • Its starting to become obvious that Lambert’s personal bias against Feaster is clouding his judgement to the point where he makes irrational claims like drafting Sean Monahan was a mistake.

    If Sean Monahan develops into a top Center for the flames this post will look even more ridiculous than it already does.

  • Gange

    Tanguay was a butter-soft ageing malcontent since Iginla left, and Sarich, as much as I love the guy, was mostly destined to occupy a press box seat.

    Jones and O’Brien are younger if nothing else, and haven’t checked out because their best pal left town. We have seen Tanguay turtle and pout until he was traded in Montreal and TB too. Galiardi is excited to be a Flame, so welcome aboard.

    With all of the new guys, they are obviously not top tier talent, but we aren’t supposed to win next year and need to ice a team of competitive useful bodies while the younger people develop. So what’s the problem? 1 extra year for O’Brien and 500k more for Tanguay? Big deal.

    Poirier was apparently not as out of left field as some thought, and many people seem to have soured on Shinkaruk.

    Kanzig is a puzzle, but pretty minor imo.

    As for Brodie, who knows what is going on inside the organization. Maybe he wants the moon? Maybe he wants to play for a winner? Or maybe Feaster has been busy with other things. Remember they didn’t make qualifying offers until the last minute either. So I wouldn’t worry yet. It is also not out of the realm of possibility that Brodie’s agent is asking for the moon.

  • Jeff Lebowski

    It absolutely floors me that the Flames are the ONLY team that gets mocked for passing on Shinkaruk. The only one. No less than ten other teams did the same, including (but not limited to):

    -The vaunted Detroit Red Wings’ scouting staff

    -Columbus–twice

    -Washington, who picked after Calgary and chose the skilled but statistically unimpressive Andre Burakovsky

    -And, the team that ended up with Shinkaruk after all, Vancouver, who reached at #9 for Bo Horvat (I like Horvat, but there’s no denying he was a reach in the top 10).

    Reaching for puzzling reasons was in fact extremely common in last weekend’s draft, and Poirier probably made the most sense out of the lot of them. Puzzling (if not outright baffling) reaches include (but aren’t limited to):

    -Morin at 11

    -Remi Elie 40th overall–in the 2nd round (he probably shouldn’t have been drafted at all)

    -Tyler Bertuzzi at 58th

    -Zach Sanford 61st overall (a guy who managed to be 4th on team scoring in the EJHL).

    Kanzig was a horrible pick, but an extremely reasonable argument can be made that Elie, considering draft position, was even worse.

    No one should be worried about an offer sheet for Brodie. The only one the Flames wouldn’t match would be an offer another team shouldn’t make. It is, quite literally, a no lose situation. (it is, though, concerning that they haven’t started negotiations yet. I mean, really?)

  • McRib

    If you follow the rabbit trail Feaster traded Jay Bo for Emile Poirier.

    Yikes, that is a frightening amount of expectations for the kid to live up to for that trade to make ANY sense whatsoever. Ya I know about the other ‘prospects’ from the trade, but… Well we will see.

    My favourite part about Lambert articles are the comments because everyone gets their panties in a twist denying how bad things are with the team. I find these articles refreshing after the drivel we hear from the team about how peachy everything is and how smart mgmt is.

    • Gange

      My least favourite part is watching people get worked up over player selections when they haven’t seen or had any substantive information about the player discussed.

      As noted before Goudreau, Baertschi, Gillies, Brossoit are enough to allow for some leeway.

      What’s going to happen to all the doomsday people if Poirier and Jankowski become productive everyday players? I guess you’ll always have the ROR offer sheet to criticize.

      Just be analytic without getting all emotional.

    • BurningSensation

      You mean if you follow the rabbit trail we traded JBo for;

      Rito Bera (lilely backup next year)
      Mark Cundari (likely a top 6 D-man for us next year)
      and Emile Poirier (a probable future 2nd or 1st line winger)

      Looks OK to me for a $6M+ a year defenseman who can’t score.

      For comparisons sake, lets see what the Leafs get for Phaneuf.

      • McRib

        I fully admit the trade will take 3-4 years to accurately judge. That I do not debate. I’m just saying that’s some big shoes to step into. You just said it’ll work out if all 3 assets basically turn out to be ideal and hit their max ceiling. Its highly unlikely all 3 even pan out never mind excel. Billing Poirier as a 1st line winger is a BIG stretch at best. Possible yes, but hardly any late 1st rounders turn into 1st liners.

        But I digress… As I said nobody knows or will know for a few years if anything works out. Perhaps all 3 make it and the trade is a home run. That is possible.

        My reservations are based on my personal experience. Many of my close buddies are Coiler fans. For years they were feeding me BS about their latest and best prospect and pick who was going to save the team and be the next allstar superstar. Robert Nilson, Andrew Cogliano, or in 2007 when they had 3 1st rounders = Gagner, Alex Plante (just cut loose by the team), Riley Nash (complete bust). As Flames fans we haven’t been so terrible or desperate that we’ve had to put our hope for the future on 18 year olds… until now. We just haven’t had high picks nor a terrible team so we haven’t paid too much attention, nor put too much pressure on our kids. I think we need to be very careful to keep expectations in check until these guys prove something in the NHL. Even the most highly touted prospect is still a big time risk until they earn a full time NHL job.

        For example… Every heard of this guy >> Frozen Four MVP. Hobby Baker finalist. Despite his diminutive size, he makes up for it off the ice with his strong build. On the ice he is known for his skating ability and scoring touch as evident with 68 points in 43 games in NCAA. He models his game based after Martin St. Louis of the Tampa Bay Lightning and Danny Brière of the Philadelphia Flyers, who are also known for their small size and on-ice ability. Johnny G? Nope, Nathan Gerbe, who is currently on waivers after being completely unable to translate his NCAA dominance to the NHL….

        Lets just wait until some of these guys prove themselves in the NHL….. Otherwise we look just as dumb as delusional Coiler fans.

        • piscera.infada

          I’m with you on not pinning all our hopes on the 18 year olds coming up. That said, it’s not a logical reason to start tarring and feathering the guys who made those picks. If anything all it does is give yet another reason to preach patience.

          Rebuilding a franchise (from what is essentially ground-zero) is going to be full of ups and downs. Therefore, it is really nonsensical to get too high or too low on anything we do 2, 3, or 4 years before it should reasonably pay off.

          That is the crux of my problem with some of the posters here (and Flames fans in general). Did I like the first round? Yes, as far as first rounds go, we did well. Do I think our rebuild is done? Hell no. Just because it isn’t I’m not going to take out my frustrations on Feaster picking Poirier over Shinkaruk, nor am I going to fret him going all loose-cannon on a 3rd round pick (Kanzig).

          I don’t think this draft and the two trades made around it are a microcosm of our rebuild – honestly we have no idea what that even looks like yet. I do think we got some reasonable pieces though. Just my – very lackluster – opinion.

          • piscera.infada

            AGREE! All I’m asking for is realism….. MOST likely Poirier isn’t going to be a 1st fwd, but MOST likely neither is Shinkaruk. Nobody knows, but we will in a few years…. Its not bad to be optimistic. But counting on players reaching their ceilings as part of the plan for a rebuild is risky business. I just like some objective realism.

            I think the key point from your comment is idea of patience and time. This is going to take time. 3-4 years. Slow and steady. No crazy expectations on anyone we drafted this year. I’m actually fairly happy with the draft this year. We still lack any elite talent, but hopefuly we get another top 5 pick next year and get a true superstar.

          • McRib

            Emile Porier can skate like the wind (youtube) with great size, he plays with a chip on his sholder (101 PIMs) and took his game to another level offensively despite weak club when it mattered most willing team to upset of Rimouski in the first round (26 pts in final 20 games). You can write him off as a first liner, but he has Corey Perry written all over him for me. Hunter Shinkaruk is a Sam Gagner second line PP scorer for me. 6’2″ Forwards that can skate like the wind are hard to come by.

          • As a Kinesiologist. What’s more intriguing to me is not just that Poirier can skate like the wind. It’s how quickly he accelerates in 1 or 2 strides to top speed. That’s a natural talent that is under valued in the NHL. And few people in the NHL Can do that. Most of the guys need 4 or 5 strides to hit top speed.

            That’s something in it self.

          • piscera.infada

            He’s not writing him off as a first liner. He’s just saying the pragmatic approach is to not EXPECT it of him.

            Not saying you’re expecting it. But we kind of did the whole “Backlund first line centre” thing for awhile, and it didn’t happen. So there were a couple years of disappointment there.

            If Porier ends up as a second liner, who can score and help this team. I’ll be entirely happy with that, regardless of where Shinkaruk ends up. If he kills it on Van, maybe he would have blown big chunks (for lack of a better saying, term, etc.) in our development system… We just don’t know.

          • McRib

            Understand everyone here has been let down by the Flames before, but Backlund is nowhere close to the skater Poirer is not to mention he has plus size with similar offensize number game should translate to NHL better.

            After watching Hunter Shinkaruk all season it doesn’t surprise me he fell. After watching one YouTube of Emile Poirier, I actually can’t understand how he only went 22…… The only thing I am worried about in terms of Vancouver is Bo Horvat.

            Considering Colton Gillies went 16th his draft year, only because he had size and could skate. Porier has the similar wheels/frame combination, but unlike Gillies he doesn’t have hands of stone, Zero Hockey IQ he has good hands and a plus shot. People who like Poirier say he could be the steal of the draft, count me as one.

          • piscera.infada

            You’re misunderstanding my line of thought. I really like the Poirier pick (for all the reasons you mention). I’m just not betting the farm (that I don’t own) on him being a first line winger. I see him – as it stands, at this very moment – as a second line guy, with first line upside.

            As Kurt said though, assuming all our prospects meet or exceed their ceiling is a risky business. All I’m saying is that as much as I like Poirier, Monahan, and Klimchuk – I wont go ass-over-tea-kettle if they aren’t our first line in the future. I have no doubt in my mind that they will contribute to the Flames moving forward – but I’m under no illusions that you can cherry pick two of those guys and bill them as the next Getzlaf and Perry.

          • McRib

            The one thing that people seem to be missing is the absolute strength of this seasons draft!!!! If this was any other draft year (6, 22, 28 picks) would still make a skeptic out of me, but this is the deepest draft in a decade, since 2003!!!

            A year in which Ryan Suter went 7th, Dion Phaneuf-9th, Jeff Carter-11th, Dustin Brown-13th, Brent Seabrook-14th, Zach Parise-17th, Ryan Getzlaf-19th, Brent Burns-20th, Ryan Kesler-23rd, Mike Richards-24th, Corey Perry-28th, Loui Eriksson-33rd, Patrice Bergeron-45, Shea Weber-49, David Backes-62

            Top Draft years like this you dont compare players to average first rounders. A 22 overall pick this year in all likelihood would be a Top. 10-15 any other year. You gotta ask yourself where would Corey Perry have gone in a weaker draft… Then compare that to a Morgan Klimchuk. Any other year a player like Morgan Klimchuk who was a top leading scorer at the U18s for a championship Canadian club would not be going 28th.

            For me the Flames got three players that any other year would be Top. 10s (Monahan Top. 3), thats why I cannot be a skeptic. Top. 10 have a good chance of panning out. Look at the players who went in the first round… Most or all of them are already leading scorers or top two Scorers on their team, hence the deep draft year they are already better than first rounders or anyother top junior players older than them.

          • piscera.infada

            It sounds like you have it all figured out. When Klimchuk wins a Richard and Hart trophy, then I’ll pat you on the back.

            One more time (and I’ll get out of everyone’s hair on this point); I like our first round this year – in fact, I really like it. However, to compare it to 2003 (AT THIS POINT IN TIME) has absolutely no leg to stand on. It’s a baseless assertion until we see some (nay, all) of these guys play.

          • McRib

            Hahah, Never said anyone was going to win a Heart Trophy @Kurt impied that I did, just said Emile Poirier’s situation to when he was drafted and style of game was similar to Corey Perry’s, that’s it that’s all.

            I do think people aren’t realizing how deep this draft is going to look in a couple years and to have three upside first rounders is a great thing!! In 2003 the first round produced 15-16 Franchise type players, considering we have three first rounders in the best draft since it, I just can’t see us ending up with no less than Two Top.6 forwards (trying to stay conservative for you, Haha), plus Sven Baertschi/John Gaudreau. Thats a very decent start.

          • McRib

            If he had Corey Perry written all over him he would have been taken top 3, probably 1st overall.

            Corey Perry won the Hart Trophy and Maurice Richard. If you expect that from Porier, I don’t even know what to tell you. Wow…

          • McRib

            Corey Perry was drafted 28th overall in a very deep draft much like this season!!!!! At the time of the 2003 Draft most in the Hockey World looked at Anaheim selecting him as reaching, because many felt he should have gone in the second round. They both put up eerily similar numbers their draft years and play an identical up-tempo forecheck high pressure game, thanks to a much sought after plus Size/Skating combination.

            Obviously Corey Perry is best case scenario, but in deep draft years certain players tend to fly under the radar and like Corey Perry I think and so do most out east, Emile Porier is one of them.

            For you to say that someone great should go third overall because they are currently a great NHLer, clearly shows how clueless you are to the Drafting Process!! One of the best players in the NHL Pavel Datsyuk went 171st in the Draft!! Not too mention countless others that you would consider “Steals” something that Poirier is looking like to me.

          • McRib

            I’m not debating its possible. Its just highly unlikely. For every Datsyuk there are about 20,000 fails. Shae Weber went in the 2nd round. Duncan Keith the 3rd (I think). You also could win Lotto 649 because that happens for someone. But anyone who counts on winning the lotto as their retirement plan is an idiot.

            I’m just saying don’t put so much pressure on these kids. Slotting them in as pillars of a rebuild is crazy talk.

            I found it ironic that you say Shinkaruk will probably only turn into Sam Gagner like thats some kind of fail. Realistically that would be considered a home run for any late 1st rounder. Gagner would have led our team in scoring last year quite easily. If any late first rounder turns into a 60pt guy you should do back flips. Also I’m no Coiler expert but I don’t think Gagner even played on the PP very much. For sure not 1st PP. I think I’d be pretty jacked if Porier got anywhere near to Sam Gagner numbers. That would be considered a home run at the end of the 1st round. Perry late 1st is like a once in a lifetime NHL anomaly (like Datsyuk).

  • Robb

    @Lambert

    You are way off on a couple things.

    The first is you are making a deal out of the Lecavalier thing. Feaster was asked a direct question by the mdia as to whetherhe considered Lecavalier postapex. He is not going to publicly cut down Le avalier the day he is bought out. Did he talk to Lecavalier sure… why not. If we could have signed him to a three year deal… why not. He would defintely be worth something a couple trade deadlines from now.

    Monahan is a problem for you really? A guy who played against the toughest comp in the league and who carried hi team most nights. You rather us draft the next Zherdev?

    Poirier looks like a pretty good pick all things considered. From what I saw most GMs arent convinced Shinkaruks skills will translate to the NHL. Eveb Mantha who is just a good shot went ahead of him. His low ranking is more due to his rookie season and has nothing to do with how he projects. You have to trust your scouts and pick from the list regardless what TSN and the media have to say.

    I enjoy your blogs but you are way off here and this blog is an example of exactly what is wrong with sports media in this country.

  • Truculence

    “Meaning that a team which hasn’t drafted particularly well in forever is putting all its faith in internal scouting, and not deviating from its plans no matter what.”

    As opposed to putting their faith in bloggers and independent drafting agencies?

    They pay their scouts for a reason, bud.

  • Robb

    All I could picture was Lambert watching the draft screaming “Outrageous!!Outrageous!!” in a high squeaky voice every time Shinkaruk got passed over by another team.

    Another thing for me was him complaining about Poirier’s highlight reel and how he only has one move, but isn’t Nichushkin’s reel pretty much the same thing as well??(I haven’t seen either reel). Just sounds a little hypocritical to me.

    Oh and you really think Brodie is going to get an offer sheet this early? P.K. didn’t get one last year and how long did it take him to sign? Really not something we’re going to have to worry about either way.

    The whole Vinny thing was pretty stupid too. I mean really if you can get a player like that for the right price you’d be idiotic not to get it done.

    Basically makes me wonder why Lambert writes about the flames so much when he has such a hate on for everything they do. Surprised he didn’t complain about the million bucks they donated to flood relief and how it should have gone to such and such charity.

    Oh and for the other people quit complaining about the draft picks in rd’s 6 and 7, you sound like idiots whining over those picks. Teams are supposed to go off the board there and find the guys that other teams missed. Besides pretty much all of those picks never play anyway.

    • BurningSensation

      “Another thing for me was him complaining about Poirier’s highlight reel and how he only has one move, but isn’t Nichushkin’s reel pretty much the same thing as well??(I haven’t seen either reel). Just sounds a little hypocritical to me.”

      Nichushkin’s highlight reel;

      Shows a ‘sameness’ in how he scores his goals. He comes down the wing with speed, drives the D-man wide or simply bulls his way into the slot, makes a nifty stickhandle and scores. I do REALLY like the move where he walks his defender along the blueline before he drives the lane and eventually makes a backhand pass to Kuznetsov.

      Here’s Poirier;

      http://youtu.be/pIBLICwkIQk

      Which shows (I think) a wider range of skills than Nichushkin’s does. That said, at least some of Nichushkin’s highlights are against either international competition (which is decidedly tougher than QMJHL), or from an actual men’s league (the KHL), so his degree of difficulty is likely higher.