Flames sign Andrew Mangiapane to entry level contract

When the draft enters its later rounds, teams are less likely to find future NHLers. It’s just a matter of numbers: there are only so many players who can play at the highest level, and if professional management at the highest levels are doing their jobs properly, then most of them are going to be taken sooner, not later.

There are always exceptions, though, and Andrew Mangiapane, 2015 sixth round selection, might be the next among them.

The Flames have certainly seen enough to have faith in him, as they’ve reportedly signed him to his entry level contract.

After being passed over in his first eligible draft, the Flames selected Mangiapane 166th overall in his draft+1 year. It isn’t unremarkable he was passed over as a 18-year-old: standing at 5’10 and 170 lbs. and scoring just 51 points over 68 games isn’t going to make many NHL teams want to take a flyer on you.

Scoring 104 points over 68 games the next season, though? Being the third-highest scorer on your team, and tied for seventh overall in league standings? That’s when your size and age should go out the window – and it did for the Flames, as they used one of their final picks on him.

Since being drafted, Mangiapane has bested himself. He’s scored 106 points over 59 games this season, not only as the Barrie Colts’ second-highest scorer, but as the sixth highest scorer in the OHL – and fourth overall when looking just at even strength numbers.

He’s also been named the OHL Eastern Conference’s most underrated player, best skater, and best shootout shooter, and is putting up numbers that make him look like one of the Flames’ best pure offensive prospects in recent history.

In short: it looks like the Flames got a complete steal in the sixth round of the draft. And when you find those guys, you sign them; keep them in your organization while they continue to grow.

Mangiapane is just a couple of weeks away from his 20th birthday, so he’ll almost certainly be going professional come the 2016-17 season – there’s not much point in bringing him back as an overager when he’s put up back-to-back 100+ point seasons in junior. Stockton will very, very likely be his next stop, but who knows what could happen come next camp?

One thing’s for sure, though: the Flames are lacking in quality wingers. If Mangiapane can help rectify that – and the early returns certainly look good – then Calgary could be one step closer to ending its rebuild phase.

In the meantime, Mangiapane’s immediate concern are the OHL playoffs, where he’ll be a major part of the Colts’ efforts to get past the Mississauga Steelheads in the first round.

  • Denscafon

    Awesome! Well deserved. Maybe he can become something akin to Martin St. louis? haha

    Even if he becomes a good bottom 6 player, that’s great value for a 6th rounder. His ceiling to me is pretty high though.

    • Stu Cazz

      Players of Mangiapane’s size and skill only thrive as top 6 players. If he develops as expected in the AHL there will most certainly be a top 6 opportunity with the Flames….

  • freethe flames

    So a question I always have at this time of the year is can he or any other graduate of the CHL go and play in the AHL? If they can; do they burn a year of their entry level contract? Now what about NCAA grads? How and more importantly why is it so different? For me the Seniors from the NCAA should be treated exactly like the CHL players. I get the underclassmen being different. Could some please explain this to me?

    • Ari Yanover

      If Barrie’s season ends before Stockton’s, then both Mangiapane and Andersson can join the Heat, yes. They can sign ATOs – Amateur Try Outs – to join the AHL team, and it won’t burn a year of their ELCs. Mangiapane’s ELC will kick in next season – although if Andersson makes the jump to the AHL next year, I BELIEVE his might slide due to his birthday. I’m not 100% certain on this though, but it looks like that’s what happened with Emile Poirier.

      NCAA grads can go one way or the other as well. For example, the Penguins signed two of their college prospects, Teddy Blueger and Jake Guentzel, today. But they’re going to their AHL team via ATOs, and will finish their seasons there – they can’t join the NHL team, but they don’t burn a year, either.

      This is different compared to, say, Johnny Gaudreau, Bill Arnold, Kenny Agostino, and Bryce Van Brabant. They all joined the NHL team when they finished their college careers, which burned a year of their ELCs, because they were playing professionally for the Flames at that time. They were ineligible to join the AHL team that season because of this.

      So if the Flames’ season runs longer than Providence’s, and they sign Jankowski, he’ll probably be put on the NHL roster. This means the first year of his ELC will be burned, and he won’t be eligible to go to Stockton until next season.

      I hope this makes sense!

      • The GREAT Walter White

        With the expansion draft on the horizon; does it make sense to keep young players away from the NHL as long as possible so they don’t become eligible to be picked up by an expansion team?


      • Craik

        @freethe flames

        Andersson & Mangiapane are in their 18 and 19 year old seasons respectively. This means that they have to play 10 NHL games to burn the first year of their ELC.

        They can play in the AHL for any number of games and their ELC will “slide” no matter what.

        And Ari is correct that Andersson will be in his 19 year old season next year so his contract would slide both this year and next year (provided he doesn’t play in 10 NHL games)

        The reason college players “burn” (i.e. don’t slide) the first year of their contract is that they are usually at least 20 years old.

        • McRib

          Andersson & Mangiapane are in their 18 and 19 year old seasons respectively.”

          No they aren’t they are both in 19 year old seasons, Andersson was a late birthday draft last year, both were in 19 year old seasons this year. Unless LTE birthday rule changes in new collective bargaining agreement.

  • Flames Fan in Edmonchuck

    If he is a legit second line winger in the making, it sure solves a lot of problems for us…. now… a starting goalie and draft one of the Finns…

      • freethe flames

        WW: Can you explain what you love about in Drouin? He got sent back his draft year, he had an okay rookie year, and has had a rather checkered year.

        • The GREAT Walter White


          Whenever you get a chance to trade a soft third line player for a kid with top 6 potential you take it. We are desperately short top 6 players.

          There are no guarantees. There is risk here. That’s why it’s called a trade and not a mugging that will never happen.

          We can trade Raymond for Drouin, but probably will never happen.
          Buckland looks good on paper right now, take advantage of that.


          • freethe flames

            Potential at least that’s an explanation. I am not as impressed with him as you. He took an extra year to make the NHL than Monny, despite playing on a much better team his numbers were poorer. This year he has been the poster child of the self indulged, that he somehow has the right to be an NHLer, that is a huge red flag for me.

          • The GREAT Walter White

            All your concerns about him are valid. And that is the only reason he MAY be available for something less than a high first round pick.

            Kids develop at different rates. He’s too young to write off.

            Have a look at our top 6 from the last 6 games or so. Gaudreau is a top line player. Monahan is now also starting to look like a top line player. Bennett will be top 6 someday. But that’s it, everyone else is 3 or 4 line on a playoff team.

            We need to upgrade.


          • freethe flames

            We need to upgrade but at what price? There are other potential upgrades out there. There is also development and drafting to be done. Yes I know you don’t like Huska but how many of the Heat players who have been brought up this year have been busts, none that I can think of.

          • cberg

            Although I believe Backlund and Frolik could be considered Top6 players, I get your point. The difficulty in that trade is that a contending team ALSO needs great 3rd liners and shut-down guys, which both Backlund and Frolik certainly are. Having said that, with Jankowski, among others coming soon that might open up a trade possibility utilizing Backlund as the key piece going the other way.

            As for Drouin, I agree he’s likely going to turn out to be a great player, but he certainly hasn’t enamoured himself with his misguided trade demands then sitting out. As you state, that provides an opportunity, and if a good deal could be worked out, then fine, but trading Backlund leaves a big shut-down hole on the Flames that Drouin is never going to fill and before we went that route we’d need someone to step in.

            Before making such a drastic move, I’d be wanting to see what we have in our own up-and-comers, like Mangiapanne, Poirier, Shinkaruk and Klimchuk to name a few….

  • beloch

    Mangiapane’s NHLE:
    2013-2014 NHLE: 19.3
    2014-2015 NHLE: 38.8
    2015-2016 NHLE: 47.1

    Frankly, it’s a bit of a surprise that Mangiapane was passed over in his first draft eligable year. A NHLE of 19.3 stands out pretty well against 7th round competition. I suppose his size and pure-scorer nature might have made scouts thing his chances of making it in pro were too slim. Still, he would have been a respectable 7th round pick in his draft year.

    Then he doubled his NHLE the following season. I have no idea how a kid with a NHLE of nearly 40 sank all the way to the sixth round. That’s just ridiculous. Did this kid punch out a scout’s grandmother or something?

    This season, he took another significant step forward. A NHLE of 47.1 in his 19-year-old season places Mangiapane highly in the midst of the first rounders from his draft class. This is an outrageous steal for the Flames. The odds against a sixth rounder playing in the NHL at all are immense, but this kid looks like he could be an impact player!

    With a NHLE this high, Mangiapane has the potential to skip the AHL and challenge for a spot on the Flames immediately. He could probably use some time in the AHL, but he might not need it. I can realistically see him playing on the Flames before going to Stockton. I’m not a contract wiz so I don’t know if that disqualifies him from playing with the Heat, or having him play with the Heat first might make it harder for him to play with the Flames. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays in the NHL this season.

    • Baalzamon

      I’d argue Conor Garland is even more confusing. Although, unlike Mangiapane, he actually is small (5’8″).

      Garland was a point per game player in his draft year. 54 points in 51 games. He went undrafted.

      Then he scored 129 (!!) points in 67 games last year, and was selected… in the FIFTH round.

      I wonder which one the Flames would have taken if both were available? Interesting thing to think about.

      • beloch

        Garlands NHLE:
        2013-2014 20.9
        2014-2015 37.5
        2015-2016 44.0

        It’s an interesting comparison. Garland is playing in a slightly easier league, but had a slightly higher NHLE in his first draft eligible year. Like Mangiapane, he took a huge leap forward in the following season, but Mangiapane had the edge on him, and continues to do so this season.

        Mangiapane is in a tougher league, has a slightly higher NHLE, and is bigger, so he’s a marginally more promising prospect. However, Garlands is still a huge steal for a fifth rounder. I’m sure a lot of GM’s would love to pick either of these guys higher in the draft if they could have a redux.

    • Bean-counting cowboy

      While I share your excitement, I’m not sure putting him in the NHL right away is best. It’s hard to know what you will get from a prospect at the NHL level coming out of the OHL. It also could send the wrong message to the guys in the A who have been busting their ass for a call-up. I’d like to see how he stacks up against Poirer, Shinkaruk and the like next year in Stockton.

      • cberg

        I agree with the Stockton comment, but reality is if you can play, you can play. Guys can get dispirited, but its up to them to work through it and fight their way to the NHL.

        Were we having this same conversation about another small guy with tantalizing potential, Gaudreau?

        • Bean-counting cowboy

          I don’t disagree, I’m just not sure Mangiapane has proved anything more than any of those other guys. NHLE isn’t the be-all/end-all. Guys adjust differently to the pro ranks.

          If he goes to Stockton and starts out-scoring his competition and shows he is clearly better then call him up next year, in the meantime… let him earn it. It’s not like he is a highly touted first round prospect that the org might feel fan pressure to put in the NHL given strong junior scoring results (Baertschi?). Besides this management group is smarter than that.

          The right place for him is the A in my opinion.

          • freethe flames

            I can only speak for myself, while I have him penciled in, I am totally on side with him earning the spot and if that means time in the AHL I am all for that. Everyone needs to earn their spot; but they need to be given the chance.

  • StarIV

    DeBrincat is an intriguing player. At 5’7″ he is a small player, and the Flames already have Gaudreau and Mangiapane on the small side. There is no arguing his skill: he leads the OHL in ES goals/GP in his draft year. If available, would it be a good idea to take him later in draft? Dal 1st round/cgy 2nd round/dal or fla 2nd round or later? I believe I saw Craig Button rank him at 20 in the rankings that he released earlier today.

    If he’s still available late in the 2nd round, I think it’d be hard not to draft him. You could always trade a player later anyways.

  • RKD

    I sure hope and would bet 29 other GMs will regret passing on Mangiapane. Love seeing him on a chart between guys like Strome and Marner. I think scouting has really improved with the Flames in picks with Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, a wrong choice could really hamper an organization’s rebuild. His NHLE is 47.1 using his latest results but that is hard to predict. Monahan’s NHLE was 33 and 35 and he’s basically doubled that in the NHL. This guy will really help us add some offence. In the future the lines could look like: Gaudreau-Monahan-Frolik, Shinkaruk-Bennett-Ferland Mangiapane-Backlund-Jooris Bouma-Stajan-Hathaway or something like that. So many tantalizing combinations!

    • freethe flames

      I don’t agree with your player deployment; you also omitted the possibility of drafting someone this year who can step in and play.(although we need to wait for the draft lottery to determine the likelyhood). I would go with something like this:

      Johnny/Monny/ First rounder (40/60 split zone starts)
      Ferland/Bennet/Mangiapane (25/75 split zone starts) (Bouma/Colborne/Shinkaruk)Backs.Frolik(90/10 zone starts)
      (Bouma?Colborne)/Grant/Jooris(Hathaway?)(80/20 zone starts)

      This does not include any of the guys who I think will be pushing for jobs next year; Agostino, Hamilton, Poirier (yes I still believe in him), Shore, and even Janko(later in year)

      I like and respect Stajan both as a person and as a player but it seems that the pace of the game is passing him by.

      But even with that I believe we still need another top 6 forward to push Ferland. Ferland is a guy who both excites me and frustrates me. He has all the tools but I’m not sure he has the tool box to be a top six forward.

      Defensive core: I would be fine with the 6 playing right now with Eng’s as the 7th. Which means Smid (hopefully retirement or LTIR) and Wides(Trade or buyout) need to go. There are several guys in the minors who can act as the replacement guys.

      Goaltending: The big question mark. Ortio should be resigned and given a chance to compete for a job. Sign or acquire one of the following: Elliot, Raanta, Enrothe as these are guys we can afford(no more than 2/3 year deals). Ramo would also be an alternative if he was healthy.

      Unless the NHLPA invokes it’s guaranteed raise pushing the salary cap to @$74m there is not much else the Flames can do.

      • RKD

        I did omit some guys, I would have left Stajan out but I don’t see how they can get rid of his contract. If they draft top 3 then I could see the top draft pick ahead of other guys for sure. If the Flames sign him Janko will go to the AHL most likely, unless he dazzles the team at camp. I think the jury is still out on guys like Poirier and Agostino, we need to see more of them. They have a lot prospects but a lot will be weeded out and only a few will probably be everday NHLers and fewer in a top six role.

  • BlueMoonNigel

    Part of this offseason, Magpie will spend at Tie Domi’s “Little Big Man Camp.” The camp is aimed at men 5’10” and under who have the talent and aspirations to seriously pursue a pro hockey career.

    Essentially, it is a crash course on how to survive and thrive as a small player in the land of the giants. Tie’s approach to the camp is pretty raw. It’s the law of the jungle: kill or be killed. To that end, he has his campers in the weight room for a couple of hours a day to pack some extra beef on their frames. He also has them engaged in combat sports every day. One day they could be in a boxing ring. The next day might be a judo domo and the day after that an octagon. The combat sessions end with Bengal bouts, where players pair off and fight each other. The winners advance and continue to scrap until a champion of the day is crowned. On ice sessions involve how to throw a check and take a check, how to get yourself extra space when crowded by larger players, using your stick and elbows to neutralize bigger players. (In past years, Theo Fleury has often showed up as a guest instructor for this section of the course.) Not only will Tie teach the players how to use their stick and elbows as peacemakers, he will teach them which pleading strategies to referees work when they get caught and which ones will get them tossed in the sin bin.

    Tie knows hockey. For a shrimp with limited skills, he became one of Canada’s most famous hockey players. There isn’t a city, town, village or hamlet in this country where the long-retired Domi can’t go to without being instantly recognized and swarmed for chat, photos and autographs. In addition, the training techniques taught in the camp were also used in the training of current NHLer and future NHL superstar Max Domi. Don’t let Max’s Laby Bing style fool you, he is tiger under her docile shell. Was voted as one of the Top 5 toughest players in the OHL in his final year. Amazing for a kid who seldom scrapped.

    Magpie will only be better from the experience of working with the legend Tie Domi.