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Assessing the Flames’ summer of change

The Calgary Flames have had a busy offseason. Since being eliminated from the playoffs on April 19, Flames general manager Brad Treliving has been one of the busiest executives in the entire National Hockey League. As the dust begins to settle and we dwell in the dog days of summer, it’s probably worthwhile to review just how much change the Flames have endured over the past three months.

Reserve list changes since the end of playoffs

Position In Out
Goalies Mike Smith (trade)
Eddie Lack (trade)
Chad Johnson (trade)
Brian Elliott (UFA)
Tom McCollum (trade)
Defense Juuso Valimaki (draft)
Travis Hamonic (trade)
Josh Healey (UFA)
Ladislav Smid (UFA)
Brandon Hickey (trade)
Deryk Engelland (exp.)
Kenney Morrison (UFA)
Ryan Culkin (UFA)
Keegan Kanzig (trade)
Dennis Wideman (UFA)
Michael Kostka (UFA)
Forwards Adam Ruzicka (draft)
D’Artagnan Joly (draft)
Filip Sveningsson (draft)
Zach Fischer (draft)
Spencer Foo (UFA)
Marek Hrivik (UFA)
Luke Gazdic (UFA)
Ryan Lomberg (UFA)
Alex Chiasson (UFA)
Lance Bouma (buyout)
Brandon Bollig (UFA)
David Wolf (UFA)

The goaltending changes are fairly straightforward: the Flames moved out Elliott (who seemingly lost the organization’s confidence in the playoffs) and replaced him with Smith. Johnson chose to explore other options presumably because he wanted to have a bigger role (and that wasn’t going to happen in Calgary once Smith was acquired), so the Flames replaced him with Lack. McCollum was only in the organization for expansion purposes and was shipped to Detroit to be minor league depth. In addition to the listed changes, both Tyler Parsons and Nick Schneider enter the entry-level system as their deals begin to run this year regardless of where they play.

The Flames made a lot of changes on the blueline, adding a trio of new faces and really culling the depth of the organization (in terms of clearing out a lot of the older, bigger, slower guys). Virtually everyone remaining under NHL contract in the system seems to have some NHL upside, which couldn’t be said for a lot of the guys who departed. Aside from the departures and additions, this season is the first where Rasmus Andersson and Oliver Kylington’s contracts begin to run.

Among the forward ranks, there was surprisingly little movement, aside from a forward-heavy draft class. Wolf’s NHL rights expired. Hrivik functionally replaces Vey (whose rights the Flames retain), while functionally Gazdic replaces Bollig. Adding Foo and Lomberg brings the club a bit more organizational depth.

Free agency rundown

Here’s a quick rundown of what’s happened with the Flames’ free agents of various types.

Group 2 (Restricted Free Agents)

  • Sam Bennett
  • Micheal Ferland – re-signed (two years, $1.75 million AAV)
  • Garnet Hathaway – re-signed (one year, two-way $650,000 AAV)
  • Brett Kulak
  • Curtis Lazar – re-signed (two years, $950,000 AAV)
  • David Rittich – re-signed (one year, two-way $725,000 AAV)
  • Linden Vey – signed with Barys Astana (KHL), Flames retain NHL rights for two seasons
  • Tyler Wotherspoon

Bennett, Kulak and Wotherspoon are still unsigned.

Non-Group 2 (RFA, but not eligible for offer sheets)

  • Jon Gillies – re-signed (one year, two-way $725,000 AAV)

Gillies was qualified, but because he only had two seasons of pro hockey under his belt (ala Johnny Gaudreau) he isn’t technically eligible to receive offer sheets.

Group 3 (Unrestricted Free Agent)

  • Brandon Bollig – signed with San Jose
  • Brian Elliott – signed with Philadelphia
  • Michael Kostka
  • Ladislav Smid – signed with HC Liberic (Czech Extraliga)
  • Dennis Wideman
  • David Wolf – signed with Adler Mannheim (DEL)

I wouldn’t be shocked if Kostka came back on an AHL deal, but otherwise none of the departures here are overly shocking.

Unrestricted Free Agents (Group 2s that were not qualified)

  • Alex Chiasson
  • Ryan Culkin
  • Kenney Morrison – signed with the Chicago Wolves (AHL)

I could see Chiasson coming back at a low cap hit, but it depends on whether the Flames can find a cheap upgrade on the free agent market.

American Hockey League contracted players with expired deals

  • Matt Frattin – signed with Kunlun Red Star (KHL)
  • Mike Angelidis – signed with HC Bolzano (EBEL)
  • Kayle Doetzel – re-signed with Stockton
  • Jamie Devane – signed with the Ontario Reign (AHL)
  • Stepan Falkovsky – signed with Los Angeles
  • Mikkel Aagaard
  • Keith Aulie
  • Roman Dyukov – signed with Dynamo Minsk (KHL)
  • freethe flames

    Moves that need to be done: Bennett, Backlund, Kulak, Spoon and 1 UFA forward(maybe).

    Moves I would like to see: 1 trade upgrading the RW depth of this organization w/o disrupting the core. ( I include both Bennett and Ferland in this for at least this season) However in saying this I am fine with standing pat and seeing if Poirier can rebound, Lazar and show that he is worth the trade and if Foo can live up to the hype. Yesterday in the thread there were many RW options thrown around by the FN; none of them have an NHL resume to speak of but they have the potential to fit this organizations needs. Currently we seem to have a surplus of LW, D and goalie prospects. It will be interesting to see if BT gets anything done.

    Also can anyone tell me who the Flames and others can send to the Penticton Tourney?

    • freethe flames

      Term and money? I suspect that he and his agent have him valued much higher than the organization does. It seems simple to us fans sitting on the sideline that a bridge deal makes sense and probably will be the outcome but that does not mean that is how the two parties see it. Personally I would have like to have seen both he and Ferland done before FA which is why I’m hoping for a Back’s deal to be done this offseason leaving little work for next year.

      • piscera.infada

        I suspect that he and his agent have him valued much higher than the organization does.

        I wouldn’t be so sure (from a dollar perspective, anyway). Functionally, I’m not sure how much leverage Bennett’s camp actually has. Contrary to popular belief (it seems), I feel Treliving should be trying to get him on a three to four year deal with a very reasonable cap-hit–effectively taking him to the end of the Brouwer, Frolik, Hamonic, and Brodie contracts. It would give you flexibility on a potential extension, should he turn into the player the organisation hopes he will.

        From the player’s perspective, you’re best off pushing for a one-year deal. Hopefully re-establish some leverage, and you get arbitration rights.

        • freethe flames

          I agree with the idea of an extending him till the end of Brouwer deal but it would need to be an overpay to buy that year of contract arbitration; how much more per year?

          • piscera.infada

            I guess it’s only an overpay because Bennett will want a one year deal, not because of arbitration–he still gets arbitration rights after a three year deal. I also don’t think that the “overpay” in this case would be fundamentally excessive. If we peg a one year deal at around $2 to $2.25 million, I’d be looking at around somewhere between $2.75 and $3 million on a term greater than 2 years and less than 5 years. I figure that’s why most people settle around the 2-year, $2.5 million dollar deal. It just seems that a 3 to 4 year deal affords Flames’ management the most flexibility. You end up with a pretty clear picture of not only what Bennett is, but also what the rest of your roster and cap-situation is vis-a-vis the potential loss or extension of Brouwer, Hamonic, Brodie, Backlund, and Tkachuk.

            As such, I see that being the major sticking point in negotiations. I don’t feel the dollar value actually changes significantly from a Flames management perspective, but Bennett is a break-out season away from being underpaid should he sign any deal longer than one year. Now truthfully, I’m a bit biased in favour of Bennett (I like the player more than most), so I think the Flames would be wise to try and take advantage of his lack of leverage now.

    • Jumping Jack Flash

      I was thinking the same thing but I also had that uneasy feeling with Johnny last year. I wonder If there was any truth the rumour that Bennett was unhappy with his usage at the end of he season.

      I hope we keep him but if he needed to be moved like a Drouin situation…. Then I would bundle him with Gillies + for Simmonds. Philly would love Bennett to put with Konechny.

      • Carl the tooth

        Bennet will be better than Simmons .not sure where the question mark is on this kid for one he started off with a major shoulder surgey and wrote off his first year only to come back dominate ohl 40 points in 20 then did very well jumping into NHL playoffs to start . Miss usage by Hartley .then Brouwer didn’t help his case last season or Johnny and mony or anyone really . He still has 30 goals in his first two seasons on a 3 Rd line had a 4 goal game in his rookie year . Backlund was no where near as good defensively as bennet is at this point or faceoffs . Kids got tons of hart and determination it’s inevitable he will be the secondline centre then he may even become the no.1 . Future captain written all over him . Fast and is about to break out this season

      • Carl the tooth

        No way would we want that trade . Bennet and tkachuk will be top players on flames there already very well respected around the league tough real hockey players

  • The GREAT WW

    IF Poirier rebounds and plays well, I would like to see a McCarron trade with the Habs asap, both are late first round picks that are off to a slow start….

    WW

    • freethe flames

      WW I was wondering when you would bring McCarron up; you had mentioned him a lot the last two years and I was surprised when you mention Virtanen a day ago w/o mentioning McCarron. I wonder if a Poirier/Kylington for McCarron could be done?

      • The GREAT WW

        Huge Overpay….
        I really like McCarron’s game but he is off to a very slow start in the NHL.
        Both he and Poirier could use a change in scenery I think.

        WW

      • McRib

        McCarron can’t skate at all, he’ll never be an NHLer, whereas Poirier can skate like the wind. I wouldn’t trade for McCarron straight up even if they sweetened he pot.

        • McRib

          Poirier has also always had better numbers, I don’t know what you guys are talking about with “McCarron is a better player”. Poirier has always been better than McCarron at every age, since they were drafted. Poirier AHL PPG at 20 Years old 0.76, McCarron 0.66. Have any of you actually watched McCarron play? He is the softest 6’6″ player I have ever seen, he just loses fights all day. Poirier plays with much more regular intensity and an effective physicality.

          • McRib

            McCarron played on stacked teams in London and Oshawa, whereas Poirier STILL outscored him with little to no help in Gatineau. McCarron has never finished Top. 5 in scoring on any team he has ever played on. You’re guys are out to lunch today.

        • Mr. J

          Of course I care. You are talking about Travis hamonic aren’t you! Last two seasons he is a combined -26 with 8 goals. So which is he a solid stay at home d man or a offensive juggernaut? Hope he was worth all those draft picks.

          • Jumping Jack Flash

            Another brilliant comment from one of our resident Oiler trolls… it is as if they share a brain. Which troll gets to use it today so we can jump forward to some insightful and riveting dialogue.

        • Mr. J

          you avoided the question. Anyways who is really thinking about Russell when we have Mcdavid, Draisailt, Lucic, Maroon, Kassian, Nurse, Caggiula etc etc. Not so sure why the hate for Russell anyways. He played his heart out for you guys and did a good job. Now he’s doing the same for the oil. If you have ever played the game of hockey than you know you need a guy exactly like Russell on your team. Does whatever it takes to block a shot, never gets beat 1 on 1 and is all about one thing… the Team.

          Kinda like that Jonny guy who is all about the team lol

          • TriPPiNvdUb

            @Mr. J go watch Russell against the ducks in the 2015 2nd round playoffs and you will see why we love/hate him so much. Heart and soul guy with out the physical attributes to back it up.

          • Mr. J

            @TriPPiNvd First off let me read you the 6 d men you had playing in those playoffs. Schlemko, Russel , Wideman, Brodie, Diaz, Engelland…
            Flames had Russell playing top pairing minutes!!! He averaged 27 mins per game!!!!!! Never would he play top pairing minutes like that in Edm. Also that was the same ducks team that swept you guys this year… meaning that is a pretty good ducks team and you can’t put the blame on one guy. He was setup to fail because he is not a top pairing d man. Last thing…. Russell’s last year in Calgary he finished with 34 points and the most important stat… +18

            Still don’t get why flames let this guy go.

          • Carl the tooth

            Push over lol why do you think flames fans are bitter sweet . We got swept technically. We also got screwed in two games with a goal that was disallowed that. It’s us a game and a goal allowed that should not have counted that lost another . But everyone could see flames pressed the play and outplayed the ducks . Outshot.outchanced . Shady goaltending by Elliot . Getzlaf was too busy being chased around by bennet to have any impact but he dominated Soilers .the ducks took it to edm but were on there heels playing flames . Now flames have a legit no. 1 goalie played for team Canada .named to allstar team . Read up first k . Why do you think trevling went all in .anyone can see that when flames are playing to there potential there easily one of the top teams in the league and will only get better every year while Soilers windows will be closed start of next season when your. Interacts kick in and have more ufas and rags that you can’t trade or afford to keep .yikes !!

          • Flint

            Wait. You have Draisaitl? Uhh… Not yet you don’t. Oilers fans like you are here cause you’re upset that the Flames are better this season vs last and the Oilers are worse. Even if/when Draisaitl signs and stays with the team (and yes it is very, very likely but not 100%). You’re still marginally worse than last year on paper with your changes. Without Draisaitl you’re massively worse, and nothing in life is 100% until it is 100% – which Leon being an Oiler is not yet.

        • Carl the tooth

          When your adding 2 top 4 defenceman to an already elite defence core it’s a bit of an addition. Your addition an old injured sekera and russel for 16 mill 4 years .hamonic stone smith were on bad teams and now jumped on the freight train !!! Who is Soilers no. 1 defenceman ohhh yeah that’s right don’t have even 1 lol

          • Ryan68

            The Oilers actually have a pretty decent defense. In all honesty they might have the best forward corps in the league. Along with very good goaltending. Putting one’s head in the sand isn’t going to do anybody any good. The Flames got swept in the playoffs. And the Oilers swept us last year. If we think we’re better because we say so, realistic improvement might be further away.

      • Puckhead

        If you’re a Flames fan you would know – which you are not. I have my opinions on all the players listed and they all are good to great players that fill their role.

        Now go crawl back in your πŸ•³

        • Mr. J

          When is the last time you have heard a 35 yr old start to play his best hockey? I’ve already posted hamonics stats so I rest my case on him. Not sure who Valimaki is, Foo is nobody at this point. So I don’t see a whole lot of great additions that some speak of.

          • Atomic Clown

            I’m sorry, but Edmonton resigned Russell. Not for one year, or two, but 4. At $4 million per season. That’s subtraction by addition, and up there with one of the most laughable deals I’ve seen, alongside the Clarkson contract

          • Mr. J

            Atomic Clown great name, makes sense after that post. So it’s that rare that an NHL defenceman signed a 4 year contract at the age of … Wait for it….. 30 !!! How unprecedented lol

            Just an FYI atomic clown to your comparison of clarkson and Russell contract
            Clarkson- 7 yrs, 5.25 mill annually
            Russell- 4 yrs, 4 mill annually

            Good comparison lol

          • Mr. J

            Trevy is that the same cap that every other team deals with? Oh ok. Lol

            And I like that name “the goon squad”. I’m gonna have to use that. I’m sure the oilers would take that as a compliment. We know one thing is for sure. The way the flames are currently built the last team they would want to play is a goon squad. Not to mention a goon squad with two top 10 points getters in the entire league!! Let the season begin!

          • wot96

            Flames don’t need him to play his best hockey. They need him to do what he has done and a number of older goalies do well, Tim Thomas springs immediately to mind. Hamonic will likely bounce back. Worst case, he doesn’t drag Brodie down the way Wideman and Engs did. Foo was the nobody the Oilers sought, and didn’t get. Don’t worry about Valimaki, you’ll figure it out and whine about it – for about ten years.

          • ALL THE WAY IN

            I’m gonna make this quick because I’m at work and you’re most likely unemployed. Your defense sucks, your goalie is pretty good but is racking up some hard miles. Outside of McDavid and what he does for your team, you better pray to GOD that he stays healthy or you’ll be in line for ANOTHER 1st overall pick.

          • Mr. J

            Fridays off πŸ™‚ will keep it short as well. Your defence is beyond overrrated. Your forward group is non existent. You still have no goalie. Your team is easily pushed around. Just ask Ana and edm lol

            Also last year was Talbots first season he started more than 55 games lol hardly hard miles on his body. You would think a team that had a beast like Kipper would know what hard miles are.

      • 666

        Hamonic is the only great addition i believe. Foo is a nice addition with boat loads og potential. Smith and Lack are both lottery tickets..the verdict is yet to be determined.

        • Just a Fan

          You are correct. The success of the summer depends on Hamonic. Is he the Hamonic from 3 years ago or the Hamonic from last year? All those knee surgeries are a concern.

    • Carl the tooth

      Flames additions and Soilers subtraction. Bye eberle and rienhart lol you wanna talk about wasted draft picks atleast we have a top 4 defenceman to show for it .

      • Carl the tooth

        mr . J. Name 10 centres to score over 100 goals there first 4 seasons ? Monahan there’s one . Johnny gadreau 3 time allstar to start his career over 200 points hobey baker . Giordano .hamilton was like 7 th in defence scoring .brodie will get payed his next contract so will haminoc. Just a good gm good management . Smith allstar .worlds . Tkachuk phenom generational talent a real hockey player . If an allstar is skating around the boards on the perimeter too scared to go to the slot then you got them in spades . Backlund selke conversation .gio.hamilton Brodie have all been mentioned for a Norris. Sorry how many number 1defenceman do you have on Soilers weak core . That will only get worse next year etc . Same with your forwards lol losing a top 6 player every year for nothing lol look what cherrelli did for Boston ( arguing trade .boston has nothing to show for that trade .lol we love your gm as much as ours lol

        • Carl the tooth

          How many points does mcdavid need every year to justify his contract ? Draidle ? So if Johnny and mony continue where they left off being one of the top duo for the last half of season and Johnny puts up 85 point scoring this year easily a with in his capabilities oh yeah I forgot about that trophy Johnny just won despite his injury missing 10 games oooooops he’s a secret allstar I guess lol

  • Baalzamon

    Really starting to look like Freddie Hamilton is going to be waived and demoted. Stockton needs centers BAD.

    Lost: Vey, Angelidis (Europe), Jankowski (graduation–probably); Gained: No one.

    Basically Stockton’s center depth goes Pribyl, Lomberg, Pollock, Aagaard (two of whom are converted LWs). That’s not good enough.

    If Jankowski graduates (which seems likely) Hamilton gets sent down. Or maybe Shinkaruk moves back to the middle… haha.

  • Just.Visiting

    Happy to have Chiasson back if Brouwer gets moved. Otherwise, bringing Chiasson back just adds to the log jam problem at the bottom end and makes it more difficult to advance prospects who have higher ceilings. That he doesn’t have a home yet reinforces why this would not be good asset management.

  • everton fc

    I hope they re-sign Aagaard. I think he’s a real sleeper.

    As for Bennett – 3yrs @ $2.75/year – play Versteeg on his left side, Foo on his right (they can’t put Brouwer there, or they are potentially ruining this kids career). I believe, based on someone’s posting of Conroy’s comments about Foo, that they see him in Calgary to start the season. And I think Bennett is indeed a centre, though I could see the team slotting him on LW and putting Jankowski or Lazar in the pivot, w/Versteeg on RW. Not saying I agree – part of me wonders if Jankowski will be back in Stockton. Which wouldn’t be good, as he’ll be 23 when the season starts.

    Or… could the delay mean they are shopping Bennett? Makes you wonder. I hope we sign him. I like him. His scrap w/Trouba showed a lot of heart. He’s a tough kid, but a kid who needs to add some muscle to that lanky frame of his.

    • Jumping Jack Flash

      They definately can’t put last years version of Brouwer with Bennett but they could develop chemistry. This would be similiar to when we tried Ferland on the top line several times before it clicked.

  • Flames8

    The amount of problems that would disappear if Brouwer was gone… somebody’s development will be stalled because of him this year unless he has a bounce back season. Janko shouldn’t play with him, as well as Bennett, Foo, or Lazar. Unfortunately one of them most likely will be stuck with him. I’d love to find a way to keep Lazar away from him. Seeing him play with confidence could be his big difference. Brouwer may potentially wreck that for the kid. And it seems like that’s the line configuration most likely

    • everton fc

      Brouwer to Vegas. Make this happen, BT!

      Actually… I have funny feeling Brouwer bounces back. No statistical evidence, of course. Just blind hope! πŸ˜‰

      • Carl the tooth

        Lol blind hope it’s called depth something Soilers don’t have any of . Blind hope would be putting all your eggs in one basket hoping they don’t break . If talbot or mcwaste get injured you won’t even make playoffs .soilers will be lucky to place 3 rd in pacific.if it weren’t for Soilers fluky start that won’t happen this year .soilers were a mediocre team at best

    • freethe flames

      He may bounce back if not he will end up getting the Wideman treatment. I suspect Brouwer will get 15-20 games to show he still has it and if he does then great but if he doesn’t then we have to hope the season is not lost. Is it possible to see lines something like this: Johhny/Monny/Ferland, Tkachuk/Backs/Frolik(although I would like to see Janko on the lW), Versteeg/Bennett/Lazar(is this where Brouwer will be pegged to see if he has a bounce back year?), and Stajan/Janko/Foo(Poirier).

      • freethe flames

        While you and I may agree on this I always thinks that a guy like Brouwer will be given the benefit of the doubt even if he does not earn it. Unless the preseason proves something different from the end of the year last season then Brouwer should be eating popcorn or get the Bollig treatment but I just don’t see it happening.

        • Carl the tooth

          an under achieving start maybe . Flames were one of top teams from nov . We didn’t need additions just a bonus .foo bonus . Haminoc.stone over wideman.ellglend . Hmmm I’d say flames got better .smith over Elliot . We didn’t lose a top 6 player (eberle ) .bennet and ferlund breakout seasons? It’s inevitable.

      • All hail King Connor!

        So they are going for it?? What additions put them over the top? They are all question marks coming off underachieving seasons. Blind hope indeed.

        • Puckhead

          Translation: Yo! Man Crush πŸ’•here with a crappy new name. My Fancy Ass Jeans are simply marvellous and I’ve got my rainbow flag flying proudly on my Miata. Chow dudes and best of luck this season!

        • TheoForever

          Haha, blind hope is to believe that Talbot can bailout your bottom 10 NHL defense every night for yet another year. Coiler d allowed insane amount of high danger and 2ndary chances, and that d has gotten worse. If you only had a #1 dman, or a #4 dman, for that matter.

          • Southboy

            Actually they had more high danger scoring chances than they aloud, where we were a net negative in that regard. But with the addition of Hammonic, and stone playing his proper 5th D role we should be able to turn this around.

          • TheoForever

            I’m concentrating on oiler d, it is a weakness and an easy target. πŸ™‚
            MickyD covers a lot of warts, no doubt, I still think they are going to be worse than last year.
            As for Flames, you are right with the dmen we just replaced, we should get a lot better in all aspects.

    • Baalzamon

      Under. They had trouble generating scoring chances last season. While that should be better this year they just aren’t a high event team (in spite of what you’d expect given their top defensemen). The Flames were sixth best at preventing chances against (8th best at preventing high danger chances) last season, but they were 8th worst at generating chances (7th worst at generating high danger chances).

      Again, I expect the Flames will be better in both categories next year, but Calgary games won’t be that high-scoring.

      • where.is.ville?

        The Flames really need a first line scorer! So much effort has gone into the back end, which is great, but they lack consistent and dangerous scoring. Bundle up a bunch of top prospects and get a proven scorer. Bennett and Ferland have yet to prove they are everyday NHLers – too inconsistent!

        • Trevy

          Sooo glad you’re not our GM and if you bothered to look, we were in the middle of the pack for scoring with a first year coach. Hardly something to “package up a bunch of prospects” reaction! Maybe you should be Chia’s assistant

        • TheoForever

          Benny and Ferk have proven to be everyday NHL players. What they have not proven is that they can be top 6 in the NHL, but both can play 3rd line minutes and there is 0 doubt they can play 4th. Every team would add those guys to their rosters. Do you think if they were waved nobody would pick them up?

  • TheoForever

    This is funny, bunch of coiler trolls in every single thread.
    If we combine their IQ’s, then we would have a very smart chimp.
    Coiler review: bottom 10 d in NHL, no #1 and no#4 dman, Sekera out, big chunk of offense gone, no prospects, bad contracts, carried by Talbot, trinity of suck advising Chia, what could go wrong.
    Oiler regression in 2 months as coilers descent to their natural resting position as perennial bottom feeder.

    • Puckhead

      In a sick way, the presence of trolls is very encouraging because it proves that the team has made positive moves and is headed in the right direction.

      Go πŸ”₯ Go!!!

      • Trevy

        Was just going to say the same thing. They have two good forwards and a goalie that stood on his head last season. Looking at their lineup as is and I have to laugh, no wonder they’re flocking to FN. Misery loves company. I’m actually hoping Maroon does well again in his final year and asks for Lucic money. Nothing like seeing two old, slow, overpaid bafoons drag this team into cap hell

        • TheoForever

          You don’t have to worry about Maroon asking Oilers for more money, there isn’t enough that would make him stay. His family refused to move to dump, aka. Edmonton, so he is gone at the end of the year for personal reasons. Enjoy……… πŸ™‚

  • The GREAT WW

    Wow; Chiarelli made a mess of this Drysaddle negotiation, his timing could not have been worse….
    Let’s see how slippery Pete gets himself out of this one (and convince the Oilers faithful that he has made a good deal…).

    WW

        • Juan Valdez

          If Drai gets 10+ then the NHL is headed towards another lockout and the Oilers will be in a situation like the Blackhawks where their success and failure is basically in the hands of their two star players. The Oilers window of contention is now, but unfortunately they don’t have the depth to beat a team that can role all four lines (i.e. Nashville). If McDavid, or Talbot get injured for a significant period of time then they might as well kiss the playoffs goodbye.

          • TheoForever

            So true. I’m actually looking forward to it, except the lockout part.
            Oilers screwed the drafting system and now they are working on the salary system.

          • Mr. J

            I love all the concern on FN about the Oilers! I know it sucks having superstars on our team lol what to do what to do. Calgary doesn’t know anything about superstars since Iggy and Kipper days. Or is Jonny a superstar? Idk he cries a lot on the bench when things don’t go his way.

            Worried much? Smell another sweep coming on?

          • TheoForever

            Well, Mr.J you are on the FN board, you created a password just to login and troll. That’s as insecure and pathetic as it gets, shows concern on your part. Because, deep down you recognize that Chia hasn’t improved the team and Flames are improving,…… tell me I’m wrong.

          • Mr. J

            You are wrong Theo. Lol this is for fun. Took less then 5 seconds to create that password. Let’s speak about insecurity for a second…. You notice how when a real flames fan on this website comments in a constructive criticism sorta way or is just being a realist. You notice how everyone else hits the trash button!!!!! Lol now that’s insecure. Then someone posts “we are winning the cup in the next 3 years” and gets all cheers lol.

            Wheuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!

          • TheoForever

            J – creating password is easy, the reason behind it is sad and funny at the same time.
            The consensuses is we are improving. Our GM says the rebuild is over and the time has come to be a playoff team, he said we are going to be in contention, whatever that means. The only team living in the fantasy land is yours, year after year after year including 10 years of suck, you have been talking about how bright your future is, it was always next year, one more top pick and next year, rinse and repeat.

            The level of arrogance coming from your fans is astonishing…., also amusing……..
            One lucky season with everything going right, riding Talbot, soft schedule, oil makes the playoffs, and all we hear is we are winning the cup, well lets see if you can repeat the playoff appearance first.

            This is what I get from every post by you people:
            1. Flames gave up future in Harmonic trade, they are done and cupboards are empty.
            Reality of course is that, our prospects rank miles ahead of yours and you gave up same for Reinhart with 0 to show for.
            2. d is not weaker because Sekera is out we have lots of internal options.
            Reality: bottom 10d with Talbot standing on his head, no #1 dman, Russell #5 playing as #3.
            3. offense is not weaker because of Ebsy, addition by……….., strome is going to be great, what offense, 50 points with mickyD.
            4. We are getting better because of mickyD.
            5. We have mickyD.
            6. Flames $^^&&&*, and profanities towards our players.

            Thanks for coming…………, personally I’m having fun.

  • TheoForever

    Anyone interested in how the hockeynews sees the front offices of NHL teams: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/front-office-confidence-rankings-part-2-fans-weigh-in-on-how-each-team-is-doing
    The recap: Flames #7 – Oilers #15
    Roster Building: #6—————–#11
    Cap Management: #6—————–#21
    Draft/Develop: #10————– #16
    Trading: #6—————–#21
    Free Agency: #9—————-#13
    Vision #5—————-#8

  • freethe flames

    A “Summer of Change?”
    In net: out Elliotte and Johnson; in Smith and Lack; until proven otherwise a wash.
    On D: out Wideman(played as a 4-7) Engs (played as 5/6) Stone (played as a 4) in Stone as a 5, Hamonic as a 4, Kulak as a 6; on paper a significant upgrade.

    Forward: Out Bouma (addition by subtraction); in ???

    This team made the playoffs after a terrible start by the entire team. Will this team be better? A lot depends on the internal growth of the forwards; I suspect that both Johnny and Monny will be better.(10-20 points each) Ferland if plays the entire season on this line will be 5-10 goals better. Backs and Frolik +/- 5 points and Tkachuk plus 10-5 points.Versteeg +/- 5points, Bennett needs to be 10-15 points better. The a lot depends on who can push the pile: will Lazar prove to be worth the trust that BT has put in him? Can Janko have the kind of success in the NHL that he showed in the AHL? Can Brouwer bounce back and if he doesn’t will he get in the way of other players? Is Foo capable of being an NHL player? What about the likes of Shinkaruk/Klimchuk/Poirier can they finally live up to being former first rounders? Are we better; I think so if for no other reason because of the improved D. But nothing I think or others think matter? No the only thing that matters is when training camp opens and the season begins. Other teams have made changes and it is silly to not accept that but the teams I am most concerned about are the twp teams that made the conference final.

  • oilcanboyd

    Looking forward to World Juniors summer showcase in Michigan starting Saturday. SIX Flames will be on USA Blue (Adam Fox), Canada (Dillon Dube, Mathew Phillips), Finland (Eetu Tuuola, Jusso Valimaki), Sweden (Linus Markstrom).

    Games televised on TSN. Two USA Games featued today, July 29th.
    Looking forward to Canada vs Finland Wednesday, August 2 at 1100 AM!

  • Albertabeef

    I just thought that we could have four similar lines in 2018-19
    JG Mony Ferly
    Phillips Backs Frolik
    Mangiapane Benny MT
    Lomberg Janks Foo

    Little lefties lines. πŸ™‚ if we move Chucky from the 3M line why not throw in the “Baby Faced Assassin” in his place. Love Phillips nickname here in Vic. Him and Mang could make Johnny a nice trade piece. I’ll take Tatlor Hall and two first round picks and a second round too please. Nothing less than that for Johnny. You know LeClair is talking to him about it at Johnny’s charity golf thing. Might as well strike while the iron is hot. Just got a bad feeling we are gonna loose him for nothing later on.

    • freethe flames

      I doubt Phillips will be ready in two years. The others are possible. Let’s not forget that we still have to find out if Shinkaruk and Klimchuk both LW can play.

    • Carl the tooth

      King who? King tkachuk !!!! You mean .no experience coming in yet .no.2 in NHL in Corsi/60 possession stats and he will steam roll your whittle connor first chance he gets . Watch and learn

      • Carl the tooth

        Only 2 more wins than flames .take away the first month of last year and flames were by far the better team stats don’t lie . Now your minus eberle and flames added . flames will not start the opening game with grossman this time . Lol no wideman. No smid.no bouma .

  • All hail King Connor!

    You guys are awesome. A record 30 posts about Draisaitl in a row without an Oiler fan around. You know what else is awesome.? McDavid and Draisaitl!!

    • The GREAT WW

      I’m glad a couple of your welfare Suck&Luck trophies worked out ok (unlike Yak, RNH, Hall).
      Guess how many top 3 picks the Flames have had in their history?

      WW

      • oilcanboyd

        Without much activity by Chiapet this summer, oil are bound to backslide next season…
        What is interesting about the 6 Flames in the World Junior summer tournament in Michigan starting today is that the tournament features tons of first and high second round picks, five of the six in the Calgary contingent were chosen outside of the top 50.

        It’s an indicator that Brad Treliving potentially might have found some late-round gold. Good times will keep on going!

        • TheoForever

          No, they haven’t it is summer and coiler trolls are in force like they have been for the decade of suck. See, it is the same. Oilers bragging how great they are going to be. Last season was a fluke, and you are about to regress, stats support, and funny moves by Chia enforce it.

      • madjam

        About as many as Flames Stanley Cups I suppose . Oilers have a long and storied past , while Flames traditionally go for it every year and traditionally/predictably fall short becoming constant also rans .Flames to throw this season trying to draft another Tkachuk to lineup – sorry , I forgot , they already gave away that first pick . Flames have to worry about L.A . , Arizona and Canucks catching up to them this year . Johansen gets 8M , so Sam should get 5-6M (bargain) , after all ,Flame fans think he is better than Draisaitl who is likely to get Johansen money plus . Have fun with it WW .

        • TheoForever

          So, $10 mill for Drysaddle, make it 8×10. I just came across a poster from 2015-2016 coiler season promo titled ‘The future looks bright’. The players featured were: Yak, Ebsy, Hall, RNH, micky D,… had a good laugh. Storied past I love that expression when comes to coilers. 10 years of suck, deliberate tanking, the biggest embarrassment in pro sports, delusional fans, NHL had to change drafting system because of oil.
          Every summer stories were written, how this year will be different, and finally they make the playoffs once in 12 years, notice the number for you are not making it this time. Oiler regression in 2 months……

    • Trevy

      Too bad that’s all you got left going for you in your forward group! Those two along with that buffoon Lucic and RNH, who has yet to play a full season, have you guys handcuffed for the next several years that the best you can do is sign the likes of….Jussi Jokinen!? What a joke

        • Trevy

          Agreed…and what’s the most comical part, is Coiler fans actually think Lucic will get better! Please keep signing big, slow guys Chia. You obviously haven’t realized the game is about speed and skill. You lucked out with McDiver but you have pretty much nothing on the farm ready to make a jump. Go to ON and read one of their latest articles. Even they’re realizing there’s going to be tough times ahead!

          • Ryan68

            Having a talent like McDavid is a problem every GM wants. As a Flames fan I don’t know where you think McDavid is a diver. I’ve never seen him dive. He’s a singular talent. Literally in a class by himself. And I would trade ANY 3 players from our team for him. Thinking that there’s anyone on our team that compares is just silly. We need a No.1 centre. Until that is addressed we’re going no where.

  • Carl the tooth

    Hello mr. J Let me spell this out for you flames already had a top end defence core before we landed hamonic and stone. Out of all the goalies available mike smith is by far the best option . We don’t need him to be an allstar just mediocre will be fine . Flames lost nothing in expansion draft and picked up the top NCAA ufa prospect that you wanted soooo bad but now he’s apparently nothing . You lost eberle to downgrade to strome . Rienhart gone . Sekera hurt . Who’s gonna take over your net if talbot gets hurt brossiot lololol . Now let’s take away your fluke start and flames horrid start yet only finished with 2 wins more . Despite flames new coach new system. Lots of new players . No camp for Johnny and mony . Now flames have no distractions ( wiseman ) johnnys contract . Flames have upgraded and Soilers have gotten worse . Let the season begin . We have tkachuk ! Watch a real player . Mcsmash is face can’t even keep his head up when he falls down … come on put yours arms out perimeter lady .

  • Carl the tooth

    Mr.j Blind hope lolol overrated defence lol let’s check the stats on gio Hamilton Brodie Hamonic stone . To your klefbum lardson sekara who’s hurt for first half at least . Russel nurse benning and who ever else it don’t matter …..Stats don’t lie. Lol what a joke . Not even in the same category there sonny . Yeah we hate it when all our d put up 40-50 points per year lol and we got these elite prospects that will filter in the next 3. Years . As far as the draft picks we traded away . We don’t need them right now anyway flames have plenty of prospects that are ready to play . When Adam fox . Anderson . Klington . Valamaki. Are ready we. An trade haminoc and stone back for even more assets .like we will get a 1 rst rounder for stone or our picks back for hamonic . Our picks will end up being later rounds cause flames will finish in top 10 for next decade lol don’t forget about Tyler parsons next Carey price and gillies . Soilers will continue to get worse . Nuge is next out with little to no return. Lucic lol how’s that contract . And the thing about russel is yeah he will do whatever it takes to stop a goal but he spends too much time defending he gives up the blue line easily 4 mill lol hmmm that sounds overrrated.

    • Ryan68

      All the prospects in the league aren’t worth McDavid. It’s funny, if you look at the Oilers’ blog their fans are all doom and gloom. If you come on the Flames’ site you’d think they were the ’76 Canadiens. I guess the Oilers’ faithful are so used to losing, they don’t know when they’re winning. Our fans…just seem delusional.

    • Trevy

      Haha…and this represents the trolls best comeback response! Please, don’t go away, you guys are too easy. Were you high fiving your stuffed animals when you posted that??

      • TheoForever

        I’m starting to like those trolls too, they can be easily refuted by just looking up a fact or two.
        Considering, how terrible and storied this franchise is, there is a lot of material.
        It must be difficult to troll when reality isn’t on their side.

        • madjam

          I suppose the next troll you will follow is , why the injured Eskimos are ahead of your Stampeders . Despite Eskies losing their best defenceman (Sherritt) and Running Back (White) for the year , they have injured their second running back (Van) , best receiver (Bowman) and both kickers from last game . Despite all that , Eskies are still a perfect 5-0 . Like the Oilers , the Eskimos have depth to remain at a high level of play .

          • TheoForever

            Don’t care about CFL, would have to check who is doing what.
            Your forward ranks are not deep, your prospect pool is one of the worst in NHL.
            Your #2 prospect Yamo, would have hard time cracking our top 10.
            Your D is bottom 10 in the NHL, even with Sekera and without him, hahaha. No #1 dman, Russell will have to play as #3 while he is a #5 dman, average #2 dman in Larsson, Klefoot is as good as Brodie, except Brodie had a bad year.
            Lets see if Talbot can continue to stand on his head because he will have to.

          • Puckhead

            Any true fan knows that CFL teams are voodoo and any team that makes the playoffs could walk away with the Cup. Stats be damned when it comes to football. The CFL is one sport that I will never debate.

  • Ryan68

    The Flames are never going to contend until they get a legitimate No.1 centre. I don’t see where all this improvement comes from. Smith is 34 years old and goes good season/bad season. Hamonic didn’t play well last year. Foo is a maybe, and he isn’t going to solve the problem at centre. The big dogs in the west are still better than the Flames. And sad to say, the Coilers are one of those teams now. Just being a realist. We already had a good defensive corps. We needed a goalie and a centreman, and I don’t think either need was addressed.

    • freethe flames

      Smith is 35. Monahan has the best stats of anyone from his draft class and should therefore be considered a #1 center; he is not elite but fits the bill. I agree that BT has not addressed the needs up front and must conclude that he thinks there will be internal growth. Here’showI think the internal growth will occur; Both Monny and Johnny will score 10-20 points more, Ferland playing with them will be around the 20 goal mark. Tkachuk will improve on his rookie season. Backs/Frolik/Versteeg will all be +/- 5 points of last year. The key here is how the following players develop; Bennett needs to be 10-20 points better, Lazar needs to prove he was worth the gamble and score 20-30 points(replaces Chaisson #’s) and one of the other forwards Janko/Foo/Hrivik/Poirier/Shinkaruk/Klimchuk can become regulars and have an impact offensively. I honestly believe if given the right opportunity a guy like Janko can have an impact this season.