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Contract talks with Andrew Mangiapane aren’t progressing

The Calgary Flames’ training camp unofficially kicked off today with the annual golf tournament. General manager Brad Treliving sat down with Dean Molberg and Brent Krahn on the Sportsnet 960 The Fan morning show and provided a few insights on the ongoing restricted free agent standstill. Regarding forward Andrew Mangiapane, it doesn’t sound like things are going terribly well.

Asked about negotiations with Mangiapane, here’s what Treliving had to say:

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I don’t usually get surprised in this business but I shouldn’t be. Andrew we think is a terrific young player. And we think there’s a great opportunity for him now to grow within our organization. Again, he has his position and he feels strongly in it and hopefully at some point in time he wants to come back and join us. We haven’t started anything, nobody’s missed any time. We think he’s a real good young player but is now…last year was his first time getting his feet wet in the league.

It’s probably not unfair to assume that the Flames are asking for a deal on the low end of Mangiapane’s market value due to (a) the forward’s relative NHL inexperience and (b) the team’s lack of cap space, though Treliving also discussed the lack of salary cap wiggle room and noted that the team would either “find space” or “make space” to get everything under the $81.5 million salary cap.

Later on, he added, asked by Molberg if there’s an order that contracts need to be figured out in – e.g., does Mangiapane’s deal depend on what they give to Matthew Tkachuk?

Nope. We don;’t have a batting order here. I’m surprised to be perfectly honest that Andrew’s not signed at this particularly point in time. But it has nothing to do with waiting. We feel that we’ve given him a very fair position and we continue to work away at that.

Per our colleagues at Puckpedia, Mangiapane is represented by agent Ritch Winter (who runs his own agency, Wintersports). Winter also represents Flames captain Mark Giordano.

Main camp opens with fitness testing next Thursday.

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  • Raffydog

    When did money become the main motivation to play a professional sport? Do kids these days dream about signing that big contract more then winning a stanley cup? I know if I was good enough to play in the nhl, nothing could keep me away.

    • Jumping Jack Flash

      It is easy to say but if you were a professional quality athlete you likely would have had a much different upbringing. One where, you have. been give preferential treatment, you would have been immersed in the sporting culture surrounded by other gifted athletes. Suddenly, your demanding schedule allows you to miss exams, miss assignments, work at your own pace. You are put on a pedestal socially. This helps explain where the entitlement emerges. So you likely are no longer the same version of your self.

      It is hard to imagine that Mangi’s ask is out of line since he has very little leverage. My guess is that Tre is pushing for a 2 way contract and Mangi deserves better. It is a bit of a gamble when Mangi has barely established himself as a fourth liner and could be replaced by Dube or maybe Phillips. Personally , I see a big upside in Mangi and he should bet on himself for 1M for 1 year. His buddy and old linemate, Kevin Leblanc, did just that in San Jose and he had a much more productive year.

    • Pete_R

      I don’t think it is entirely the players fault. I’d imagine the NHLPA wants salaries continually climbing, players collectively probably don’t appreciate ‘team friendly’ deals, because it means everyone else’s comparable contracts are not as good (for the player).

    • TheBigChef


      At the end of the day it is a business for the team, and it is a job for the players. How long does the *average* NHL player stick around in the league? 5 years? Even if we are talking about middle of the pack, average every day NHLers, we are still talking about guys who are in the top 0.02% of all hockey players. Say they get lucky and stick around for 5 or 6 good years at a couple million per year. Most of these guys forewent getting an education to pursue this career. Most will have life-long injuries and broken down bodies as a result. So they leave the game having little to no real world job prospects. I think they should maximize every financial opportunity they can while they can.

      Maybe for guys like Crosby and McDavid it makes more sense to take a lower salary to help the team make a run for the Cup. They are more likely going to have very long careers with big money salaries throughout. Especially guys who have big marketing deals and won’t notice the difference between $90 million and $85 million. But Crosby himself has said that approach only works if everyone does it. For a guy like Mangiapane, there is much less certainty at this point about how long of a career he will have or what his next contract might look like. We don’t know what the number is he is asking for, but I think all players should be paid what the market says they are worth.

      • TheBigChef

        Also, it’s pretty tough to ask a guy who will probably only be getting ~$1mm to take less when that same GM currently has $2.7mm in dead money on the cap as a result of him handing out atrocious over payments to garbage players

  • Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis

    Please don’t trade Mangiapane for peanuts or nothing like Brett Kulak and Paul Byron. Treleving is a a decent GM, but he really has a blind spot for good upside young players who weren’t highly touted. Please don’t let another effective player go for nothing just as he’s about to break stride.

  • MDG1600

    I think the young guns like Mangi are right to push back against the old school mentality that opens the chequebook for has beens like James Neal and tells the young player to wait his turn. If GM’s want to keep the payroll from skyrocketing they should focus on not overpaying UFA’s. I bet a good bonus structure that sees Mangi get an extra $500K if he scores 15 or more goals would get the deal done.

    • Skylardog

      He is not eligible to sign a deal with a bonus.

      Anything over$1.0 is a serious over ask and or overpay. It took him about 30 games just to get a point. Totally unproven…

    • deantheraven

      I agree with your point about not overpaying UFA’s, but if those big paydays come earlier, a lot of teams will be playing 19-23-year-olds to avoid paying big $ to the ones entering their prime. Is it too “old school’ to think that young players should “pay their dues” before getting the Big Jack? Nobody around here is going to take the side of the owners in this business, but us fans will continue to pay through the schnozz to watch them play if owners think they can’t make a profit from this business. What’s a nosebleed seat cost nowadays? I haven’t been to a game since Christ was a cowboy, but I see the prices of enjoying the game live to be out of reach for the average fan. And, fair enough, BT doesn’t really ‘do’ bonuses. I’m also a fan of them. But the PA is not. It’s what takes the “C” out of CBA.
      I don’t know if it’s stars in their eyes or dollar signs, but it seems to be the latter most often. Some will say you can’t blame them for trying to cash in on their talents, but how many millions do you need to feel well-payed for being given the gift of playing a game for a living?

    • Albertabeef

      If Mange is traded or sits out he has to be replaced by someone. Now then that replacement player needs to be paid as well. So Mange’s salary was 705k last season, and by CBA negotiations Tre should have given Mange a qualifying offer of $740,250(105%). So unless we can sign Tkachuk to a value contract, we can use anyone more expensive. It really doesn’t open up cap room for Tkachuk. I can also see Tre sticking hard to that $740250 though.