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Setting Expecations: Sven Baertschi

Christian Roatis
10 years ago
 
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I recently conducted a fan Q&A and the question of "How many points will Sven Baertschi get next season?" came up. I predicted his total would land around 50 but wouldn’t really be disappointed if it ended up being slightly below that. Some agreed with me while others thought that 50 points was a little too large of total to expect out of guy in his circumstance.
The idea however intrigued me. How many points can we realistically expect out of a 20-21 year old who just recently tore up the Western league but with only 25 NHL games under his belt?
Obviously we can’t accurately predict a precise point total for Baertschi, but we can use history to approximately gauge what an appropriate expectation would be. In order to do this I took a look at past performances by NHLers in their 20-21 year old season using the 04/05 lockout as a starting point to see which group of players Baertschi could best compare to.
I looked at factors like NHL games played prior to their turning 21, their performance in their final year of pre-Pro hockey action and how good their NHL squad was that season to try and identify a pattern that would help predict future performance. There are , of course, many factors that will directly affect Baertschi’s final point total including injury, luck and role, but for this little "experiment" we’ll assume he plays 82 games.
For me, the minimum point total I’d like to see out of Baertschi in a full seasonn without feeling disappointed would be 35 (maybe more for some of you or maybe less) which works out to a point per game average of 0.427. I used that as the minimum PPG average for eligibility on the chart.
I also required the player to be within range of Baertschi’s age (20 to 21) and have 50 games played that year (that eliminates anyone from this past 48 game season or who pumped out points in a limited amount of games). Since the 2005/06 NHL season there have been 55 guys who fit those qualifications.
Take a look: 
 Bolded: Comparable to Baertschi
Player
Season
GP/PPG
Points/82 games
# of NHL Games pre 21 Year Old Season
Team’s Final Season Rank
PPG in Last Pre-Pro Season/ League
Sidney Crosby
2008/09           
77/ 1.338
109
213
8
2.709/QMJHL
Evgeni Malkin
2007/08
82/ 1.293
106
78
4
1.021/Russia
Eric Staal
2005/06
82/ 1.220
100
81
3
1.485/OHL
Alexander Ovechkin
2006/07
82/ 1.122
 
92
81
27
0.730/Russia
 
Steven Stamkos
 
2010/11
82/ 1.110
91
161
8
1.721/OHL
Patrick Kane
2009/10
82/ 1.073
88
162
3
2.500/OHL
Niklas Backstrom
2008/09
82/ 1.079
88
82
4
0.889/SHL
Rick Nash
2005/06
54/ 1.000
82
154
25
1.333/OHL
John Tavares
2011/12
82/ 0.988
81
161
27
1.857/OHL
Jordan Eberle
2011/12
78/ 0.974
80
69
29
1.860/WHL
Paul Stastny
2006/07
82/ 0.951
78
0
14
0.872/NCAA
Patrice Bergeron
2006/07
77/ 0.909
74
152
23
1.043/QMJHL
Jonathan Toews
2009/10
79/ 0.895
73
146
3
1.353/NCAA
Phil Kessel
2008/09
70/ 0.857
70
152
2
1.308/NCAA
Jamie Benn
2010/11
69/ 0.812
67
82
16
1.464/WHL
Anze Kopitar
2008/09
82/ 0.805
66
154
26
0.426/SHL
Devin Setoguchi
2008/09
81/ 0.802
66
44
1
1.181 /WHL
Nathan Horton
2006/07
82/ 0.756
62
126
21
1.259/OHL
Nikolai Zherdev
2005/06
73/ 0.740
61
57
25
0.200/Russia
Pierre-Marc Bouchard
2005/06
80/ 0.738
60
111
22
2.029/QMJHL
Alex Radulov
2007/08
81/ 0.716
59
64
17
2.45/QMJHL
Ryan Getzlaf
2006/07
82/ 0.707
58
57
3
1.060 /WHL
Adam Henrique
2011/12
74/ 0.689
56
1
8
1.426/OHL
Kyle Okposo
2009/10
80/0.650
53
74
26
0.611/NCAA
Bryan Little
2008/09
79/ 0.646
53
48
27
1.877/OHL
Wojtek Wolski
2007/08
77/ 0.623
51
85
11
2.286/OHL
Derek Stepan
2011/12
82/ 0.622
51
82
2
1.317/NCAA
Sam Ganger
2010/11
68/0.618
51
223
30
2.226/ OHL
Alex Steen
2005/06
75/ 0.600
49
0
18
0.34/ SHL
Jordan Staal   
2009/10
82/ 0.598
49
245
9
1.000/ OHL
Tyler Ennis
2010/11
82/ 0.598
49
10
15
1.393/ WHL
Jeff Carter
2006/07
62/ 0.597
49
81
30
1.345/ OHL
Thomas Vanek
2005/06
81/ 0.593
48
0
5
1.342/ NCAA
Jakub Voracek
2010/11
80/ 0.575
47
161
24
1.906/QMJHL
Marcus Johansson
2011/12
80/ 0.575
47
69
16
0.476/SHL
David Perron
2009/10
82/ 0.573
47
143
16
1.186/QMJHL
TJ Galiardi
2009/10
70/ 0.557
46
11
2
0.972/WHL
Mike Richards
2006/07
59/ 0.542
44
79
30
1.349/OHL
Corey Perry
2006/07
82/ 0.537
44
56
3
1.712/ OHL
Peter Mueller
2009/10
69/ 0.536
44
153
4
1.529/ WHL
James van Riemsdyk
2010/11
75/ 0.533
44
78
3
1.111/ NCAA
Travis Zajac
2006/07
80/ 0.525
43
0
6
1.022/ NCAA
Michael Frolik
2009/10
82/ 0.524
43
79
28
1.444/ QMJHL
Wayne Simmonds
2009/10
78/ 0.513
42
82
8
1.161/ OHL
Patrick Eaves
2005/06
58/ 0.500
41
0
2
1.333/ NCAA
Steve Bernier
2006/07
62/ 0.500
41
39
7
1.044/ QMJHL
Brandon Dubinsky
2007/08
82/ 0.488
40
6
8
1.314/ WHL
James Neal
2008/09
77/ 0.481
39
0
22
1.444/ OHL
Guillaume Latendresse
2008/09           
56/ 0.464
38
153
13
1.627/ QMJHL
Andrew Cogliano
2008/09
82/ 0.463
38
82
21
1.316/ NCAA
Milan Michalek
2005/06
81/ 0.432
35
2
11
0.174/ CZE
Sven Baertschi
2013/14
?
?
25
Bottom 10
2.000/WHL

 Observations

– Six out of the Eight players that scored at a point per game pace or better in their 21 year old season played on Top 8 NHL teams, and every one of them are currently elite players.
– With the exception of a few, every player that scored at a 0.432 PPG pace or better is currently a well established NHLer if not an above average one.
– Team Rank doesn’t appear to be a big influence on point production. The quality of line mates and competition is different on a case to case basis.
– Every single guy except Michalek scored at a CHL equivalent PPG basis in their final junior year.
At this point, the best comparables for Baertschi would be players with similar NHL experience prior to his 21 year old season, and scoring performance in their final pre-Pro season. There are a number of guys that scored within 0.500 of Baertschi’s 2.00 PPG average in the CHL, but most of them had much more NHL experience to that point in their career’s than Sven does.
Finding players with similar pre-21 GP was a lot tougher and although NHL experience in valuable, you can’t disregard Baertschi’s tremendous 2 PPG WHL season when finding comparables, so I narrowed down players who had similar numbers in both columns.
There were five guys on the chart above that best fit that criteria: Jordan Eberle, Alex Radulov, Bryan Little, Corey Perry and James Neal. All of them are quality players (even though Radulov isn’t in the NHL he’s still a special player). Ignoring stuff like size and nationality, all of these guys had a lot in common with Baertschi at this point in their careers. From the games played to the points they put up in Junior, there are many similarities to be found between Sven and the six bolded gentleman listed.
The one thing that does maybe cripple this style of predicition (aside from luck, which is impossible to predict) is the quality of teammates that the comparables played with. Eberle had equally talented young gun Taylor Hall at his side all throughout his 20/21 season, while Perry had Ryan Getzlaf.
Bryan Little spent a lot of time with Mr. KHL, Ilya Kovalchuck – who scored points during his time in the NHL like it was nobodies business – during his 21 year old season and no doubt benefited greatly from it. Thomas Vanek too saw sometime with Chris Drury and Danny Briere who were both high level NHLers at the time.
Baertschi, on the other hand, will at best be surrounded by Mike Cammalleri, Mikael Backund, Matt Stajan, Lee Stempniak or Jiri Hudler – not terrible, but certainly not a collection of all stars. Alex Radulov actually found himself in similar circumstances in Nashville, not playing with the greatest of line mates and emerged as a difference maker himself. Hopefully Baertschi is able to take a similar road this season and doesn’t pull a Patty Eaves – who only bested his 21 year old season point total once during his 9 year stay in the NHL – and become a support player.

Conclusion

Regardless of all this, if we were to average out the chart, it would give us a PPG average of 0.685 which translates to 56 points in 82 games. Pretty close to my random prediction of 50. I’m sure every Flames fan would be pleased if this were the actual result of Baertschi’s 2013/14 season but chances are it won’t quite end up being this high since the average skewed by outliers like Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Steven Stamkos and Alex Ovechkin.
Using history like this is nowhere near an exact science and for all we know it could be completely off, but it is something. There are also factors like injury and the aforementioned line mates that could hinder Baertschi’s production, but history has shown that players that come into their 21 year old season under similar circumstances to Baertschi, tend to do pretty well.
What is your expectation for Sven Baertschi in 2013/14?

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