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Why can’t the Flames focus on successful NHL and AHL teams?

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Stockton's Finest
5 years ago
Throughout this past season, I was able to provide FlamesNation with a firsthand look at their AHL team, the Stockton Heat, in their pursuit of the Calder Cup trophy. I wrote about players, their progress, their strengths and weaknesses, and where they would fit in if (and when) called up to Calgary.
When I questioned some of the moves Calgary made down the stretch, and their impact on the Heat’s playoff run, the overwhelming response I received from posters was: “The purpose of Stockton is player development; they are there to support Calgary. It is not to field a team to make a Calder Cup run. Making the playoffs is a bonus and not a priority.”
My question to all of you is: Why can’t we have both a player development and winning farm system?
I know call-ups are inevitable and necessary, but bringing someone up for a week or two just to have them eating better popcorn does not seem productive. It seems counterintuitive to their development. I would think being in a playoff chase would enhance their development and drive. Most fans in Stockton are excited when one of their own gets promoted and we get to watch them in the Flamin’ C jersey, but to see them called up and not on the ice is frustrating, I would imagine for both the players and the Stockton fans. I know NHL paychecks are a factor, but ice time is also important.
Would it be more beneficial to the Flames to have players who have won a championship bring that winning attitude and energy from the minors to the big club? Is building a winning tradition throughout the organization that impossible to do? In my opinion, the answer to this is a resounding NO.
Below I list the playoff records for a number of NHL teams and their AHL affiliates from the 2011-12 season until this year, along with the AHL player impact for the previous three Cup finals. For those who state that some franchises “stack their AHL teams with established older players,” the lists shown will dispel that myth.
To start off, the 2015 Stanley Cup pitted Chicago versus Tampa Bay. Here is a look at the players (and coaches) who have not only been in the AHL, but also came through their respective systems. This also shows which players have hoisted the Calder Cup.
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Thirteen players came through Syracuse (and Rochester) on their way to Tampa, while 12 players made their way to the Blackhawks after being an Ice Hog. A combined five players and one coach have lifted the Calder Cup as champions.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Chicago Blackhawks2011-121st round2011-12Missed playoffs
Chicago Blackhawks2012-13CHAMPS2012-13Missed playoffs
Chicago Blackhawks2013-143rd round2013-14Missed playoffs
Chicago Blackhawks2014-15CHAMPS2014-152nd round
Chicago Blackhawks2015-161st round2015-16Missed playoffs
Chicago Blackhawks2016-171st round2016-17Missed playoffs
Chicago Blackhawks2017-18Missed playoffs2017-183rd round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Tampa Bay Lightning2011-12Missed playoffs2011-12CHAMPS
Tampa Bay Lightning2012-13Missed playoffs2012-13Finals
Tampa Bay Lightning2013-141st round2013-14Missed playoffs
Tampa Bay Lightning2014-15Finals2014-151st round
Tampa Bay Lightning2015-163rd round2015-16Missed playoffs
Tampa Bay Lightning2016-17Missed playoffs2016-17Finals
Tampa Bay Lightning2017-183rd round2017-182nd round
altThe 2011-12 AHL champs, the Rochester Americans, Tampa’s AHL team.
In 2016, the finals saw the Penguins take on the Sharks. Here are the players from these teams and their AHL playoff appearances. All but two players from the Penguins (Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin) came through the AHL, with 13 players coming from within the organization. Meanwhile, 11 Sharks played for their AHL squads in Worcester, Massachusetts and San Jose.
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NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Pittsburgh Penguins2011-121st round2011-122nd round
Pittsburgh Penguins2012-133rd round2012-133rd round
Pittsburgh Penguins2013-142nd round2013-143rd round
Pittsburgh Penguins2014-151st round2014-152nd round
Pittsburgh Penguins2015-16CHAMPS2015-162nd round
Pittsburgh Penguins2016-17CHAMPS2016-171st round
Pittsburgh Penguins2017-182nd round2017-181st round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
San Jose Sharks2011-121st round2011-12Missed playoffs
San Jose Sharks2012-132nd round2012-13Missed playoffs
San Jose Sharks2013-141st round2013-14Missed playoffs
San Jose Sharks2014-15Missed playoffs2014-151st round
San Jose Sharks2015-16Finals2015-161st round
San Jose Sharks2016-171st round2016-173rd round
San Jose Sharks2017-182nd round2017-181st round
In 2017, Pittsburgh again battled their way to the finals, this time against the Nashville Predators. Here is an interesting fact about the Milwaukee Admirals: they have been Nashville’s affiliate since the Predators came into the league in 1998. The Penguins’ AHL team has called Wilkes-Barre home since 1999.
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NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Nashville Predators2011-122nd round2011-121st round
Nashville Predators2012-13Missed playoffs2012-131st round
Nashville Predators2013-14Missed playoffs2013-141st round
Nashville Predators2014-151st round2014-15Missed playoffs
Nashville Predators2015-162nd round2015-161st round
Nashville Predators2016-17Finals2016-171st round
Nashville Predators2017-182nd round2017-18Missed playoffs
A whopping 19 players from Milwaukee took the trip down south to Nashville. Even without getting out of the first round, it still provided valuable experience for the Predators.
In addition to those championship teams, here are some additional franchises that have had success in both leagues, including this year’s Calder Cup Champions, the Toronto Marlies.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL SeasonFinish
Boston Bruins2011-121st round2011-12Missed playoffs
Boston Bruins2012-13Finals2012-132nd round
Boston Bruins2013-142nd round2013-142nd round
Boston Bruins2014-15Missed Playoff2014-151st round
Boston Bruins2015-16Missed Playoff2015-161st round
Boston Bruins2016-171st round2016-173rd round
Boston Bruins2017-182nd round2017-181st round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Detroit Red Wings2011-121st round2011-12Missed playoffs
Detroit Red Wings2012-132nd round2012-13CHAMPS
Detroit Red Wings2013-141st round2013-142nd round
Detroit Red Wings2014-151st round2014-153rd round
Detroit Red Wings2015-161st round2015-162nd round
Detroit Red Wings2016-17Missed playoffs2016-17CHAMPS
Detroit Red Wings2017-18Missed playoffs2017-181st round
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The 2017 Calder Cup champion Grand Rapids Griffins.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Los Angeles Kings2011-12CHAMPS2011-121st round
Los Angeles Kings2012-133rd round2012-131st round
Los Angeles Kings2013-14CHAMPS2013-141st round
Los Angeles Kings2014-15Missed playoffs2014-15CHAMPS
Los Angeles Kings2015-161st round2015-163rd round
Los Angeles Kings2016-17Missed playoffs2016-171st round
Los Angeles Kings2017-181st round2017-181st round
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The 2015 Calder Cup champion Manchester Monarchs.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Toronto Maple Leafs2011-12Missed playoffs2011-12Finals
Toronto Maple Leafs2012-131st round2012-132nd round
Toronto Maple Leafs2013-14Missed playoffs2013-143rd round
Toronto Maple Leafs2014-15Missed playoffs2014-151st round
Toronto Maple Leafs2015-16Missed playoffs2015-163rd round
Toronto Maple Leafs2016-171st round2016-172nd round
Toronto Maple Leafs2017-181st round2017-18CHAMPS

2017-18 Stanley Cup

This year’s Stanley Cup Final saw the Washington Capitals defeat the Vegas Golden Knights in five games.
Even Vegas, who took over the Chicago Wolves, made the Calder Cup playoffs in their first year. Yes, I know that Vegas shared the Chicago Wolves with St. Louis, but the affiliate agreement is with the Golden Knights and not the Blues.
Side note: In 2018-19, St. Louis takes over the San Antonio Rampage from Colorado, as the Avalanche moved their team closer and elevated the ECHL Colorado Eagles to the AHL. The Eagles won the Kelly Cup this season.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Washington Capitals2011-122nd round2011-121st round
Washington Capitals2012-131st round2012-131st round
Washington Capitals2013-14Missed playoffs2013-14Missed playoffs
Washington Capitals2014-152nd round2014-152nd round
Washington Capitals2015-162nd round2015-16Finals
Washington Capitals2016-172nd round2016-172nd round
Washington Capitals2017-18CHAMPS2017-18Missed playoffs
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Vegas Golden Knights2017/2018Finals2017/20181st round

Unsuccessful franchises

Now for a look at a few teams that miss the playoffs regularly and their AHL teams during the same time frame. None of these teams have had any lasting success at either the NHL or AHL level in recent years.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Buffalo SabresNo Appearances2011-121st round
2017-181st round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Carolina HurricanesNo Appearances2012-131st round
2016-171st round
2017-182nd round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Colorado Avalanche2013-141st roundNo appearances
Colorado Avalanche2017-181st round
 
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Florida Panthers2011-121st round2011-122nd round
Florida Panthers2014-15Missed playoffs2014-151st round
Florida Panthers2015-161st round2014-15Missed playoffs
The remaining teams had so-so records, including the Dallas/Texas Stars. Dallas has found its way to the Stanley Cup playoffs twice in this timeframe while the team to the south of them (Texas plays in Austin) has qualified for the Calder Cup five times, winning the Cup in 2013-14 and losing in the finals this year.

The Flames

The Flames’ AHL team resided in Abbotsford (2011-14) and Adirondack (2014-15) until the 2015-16 season before moving west to join the newly formed Pacific Division as the Stockton Heat. With only five appearances in a combined 14 attempts, both NHL and AHL levels need to improve.
NHL TeamSeasonFinishAHL TeamFinish
Calgary Flames2011-12Missed playoffs2011-122nd round
Calgary Flames2012-13Missed playoffs2012-13Missed playoffs
Calgary Flames2013-14Missed playoffs2013-141st round
Calgary Flames2014-152nd round2014-15Missed playoffs
Calgary Flames2015-16Missed playoffs2015-16Missed playoffs
Calgary Flames2016-171st round2016-171st round
Calgary Flames2017-18Missed playoffs2017-18Missed playoffs

Conclusion

My research shows that you can have success at both levels and do not need to sacrifice a winning attitude solely for player development. In fact, it appears that those teams that have playoff-bound NHL teams also have successful AHL teams, with the exception of the Blackhawks.
The Flames need to find a way to build up the entire organization from ECHL to AHL to NHL. Most of these teams have longstanding commitments to their AHL cities, choosing not to move the franchise every five years or so. Only time will tell, but it would be nice to have long-term deal in place in Stockton to build some history and tradition.
With the recent free agent signings and drafts, it appears the Flames are heading in the right direction. Playoff runs in Stockton should become a yearly ritual, not an exception. A Calder Cup for Stockton will set the table for a Stanley Cup (or two) in Calgary.

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