Random Thoughts – Let’s Talk Hartley

 

 

There isn’t a lot to talk about in Flamesland these days. The injuries have piled up and, predictably, so have the losses.

Perhaps the primary bone of contention is the coaching, thanks to Bob Hartley’s predilection for controversial or at least counter-intuitive choices now and then. The focus on the Flames bench boss will likely increase in the wake of Scott Parker’s recent accusations in the Denver Post, to say nothing of the continued scratching of assets like Sven Baertschi.

– In case you missed it, former Avs enforcer Scott Parker was recently interviewed by Adrian Dater because he is suffering from post-concussion symptoms. During the interview, Parker claimed that Bob Hartley was a bully of a coach who constantly threatened to send him down and demanded he play through injury:

"He would call me a (expletive), say that Hershey (the Avs’ former minor-league affiliate) would be my next stop, where I’d be ‘smelling chocolate fumes all day long.’ I remember I thought I had a broken foot and told him about it, and he called me a (expletive) and said Hershey would love me," Parker said. "Nobody needed to question my commitment to doing my job. But I was just constantly belittled by Bob Hartley. I really have no respect for the man."

Hartley, now coach of the Calgary Flames, declined to comment when informed of Parker’s remarks. The pressure Parker describes might not be as prevalent in today’s NHL, as fewer teams employ a self-described "enforcer," but it still exists.

"If you’re hurt, it doesn’t matter. You’re made to think ‘I have to fight, or I’ll lose my job,’ " Parker said.

To some degree I’m guessing this describes the general treatment of fighters in hockey – all of them exist on the fringes of the roster and need to "justify" their existence by playing through pain and dropping the gloves.

That said, this accusation has to be at least somewhat worrying for Flames fans. While it can be argued that NHL coaches have used aggressive tactics to push and motivate their players since time immemorial, it’s also obvious that this brand of discipline can alienate players and should be used strategically and sparingly at best. 

It’s also worrying because Hartley has begun to turn the stink-eye on a couple of the organization’s younger assets in Mikael Backlund and Sven Baertschi. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes and if Hartley is giving similar tongue lashings and ultimatums to them as he did to Parker, but it would be terrible to see one or both of them soured by a placeholder coach.

– Related: I call Hartley a placeholder because I don’t see him sticking around beyond his initial contract with the club. Most coaches don’t outlast extended rebuilds and I haven’t seen anything on the ice in his first 60-or so games that would suggest he is above average relative to other bench bosses. The team is about as bad as one would expect, his need to have an enforcer dressed every night is archaic and indefensible and it’s clear he likes to play favorites with his roster decisions, sometimes to the detriment of the club. Of course, all coaches obviously play favorites to some degree. It’s just that the best coaches preferences also tend to more or less line-up with reality, however. Hartley, however, seems to grade on a steep, subjective curve.

– The series of starts given to Reto Berra during November has to be one of the most bizarre string decision making I’ve seen in the NHL this year. Beginning November 3 and stretching to Nov 29, Berra played in 11 games, which means Hartley used him almost exclusively. The Swiss goalie managed just four quality starts over that period and currently sports an .888 SV% – both of which are terrible results.

Berra struggled qualitatively as well. Although he made a few highlight reel saves during that period, he also had obvious problems on a nightly basis: tracking pucks through traffic, over-committing on initial plays and frequently losing his net.

It’s entirely possible these are the struggles of a talented guy who is just trying to find his feet at this level, but Berra’s performance is in practice not materially different than the play of many of the guys the team has banished since they began to look for Kipper’s replacement (Leland Irving, Joey MacDonald and Danny Taylor). What’s more, the organization has an alternative in Karri Ramo who has better results in a better league and is signed for an extra season after this one, whom Hartley ignored for an entire month of play.

To be fair to Hartley, Ramo had his own struggles at the start of the year, but then again, Berra hasn’t really done anything noteworthy to be granted such a high degree of confidence.

– I’ve defended Mikal Backlund a lot the last few years and I bristle at his treatment at the hands of Hartley this year. That said, Backlund’s offensive game has gone backwards so far this season, particularly in the last week or two.

At his most tentative, Backlund gets rid of the puck way too soon when he’s in the opposition’s end, usually throwing prayers at the net from the shallow end of the offensive zone. Last year and the beginning of this season he was starting to hang on to the puck with more authority, even driving the net and looking for ways to deepen the cycle. He has looked exceptionally nervous recently to my eye, however, and a lot like the kid who was surprised to find himself on NHL ice a few years back.

Backlund has the raw skills that should help him get results, but it’s pretty clear he’s never going to be a true point-getter at this level. He’s better than he’s shown recently though and his struggles aren’t simply because he doesn’t always get to play with good players in offensive situations.

Backlund is good enough at other things like positioning, skating and anticipation that he’s almost always useful, but he’ll never get over the hump in this org without a least some offensive bite to his game.

– In one way, the above observation may vindicate Hartley’s ambivalence towards Backlund this year. In another, they are an indictment of the coach – Backlund’s game has regressed under Hartley’s tough love this season and if this coaching staff has one key objective guiding their efforts this season, it should be to develop and improve guys like Backlund. Not push them backwards.

– I am growing more and more fearful Hartley has taken a genuine dislike to Sven Baertschi and the organization will have to make a choice between the two down the road. Baertschi has some gaps in his game to be sure, but the Hartley seems quick to punish and slow to reward the youngster this year. If this is a tactic desgined to make him a better NHLer then so be it, but I have visions of Greg Gilbert and Marc Savard dancing in my head with each new healthy scratch.

Picking coaching over exceptional talent has a way of blowing up in a franchise’s face sometimes.

  • Craig

    I started out this year on Hartley’s side big time because of how hard the team played at the start of the year. But as the year goes on I just feel deeply frustrated by the team.

    My biggest worry is that a lot of this is led by Brian Burke… That’s an even scarier thought than it just being Hartley.

  • Craig

    I started out this year on Hartley’s side big time because of how hard the team played at the start of the year. But as the year goes on I just feel deeply frustrated by the team.

    My biggest worry is that a lot of this is led by Brian Burke… That’s an even scarier thought than it just being Hartley.

  • Craig

    I started out this year on Hartley’s side big time because of how hard the team played at the start of the year. But as the year goes on I just feel deeply frustrated by the team.

    My biggest worry is that a lot of this is led by Brian Burke… That’s an even scarier thought than it just being Hartley.

  • RexLibris

    On my way home from work today I heard an interview with Stamps assistant Coach Dave D and it made a lot of sense to me; in it he said: “You can’t treat every player equally but you can treat them honestly and fairly. Players know they have a role on the team and you can’t tell the third string back up he can beat out the starter for the next game; they know it’s lie.” (The last part is not an exact quote but close to what he said)

    If we are going to examine Hartley’s treatment of Backs and Sven lets use that criteria.

    Sven’s first sit down was because they wanted him to play better in all three zones and better defensively. From my perspective I feel he responded reasonably well and has played better in all three zones on most nights.(he’s minus 3, monahan is minus 7) Then they sat him again and from what I gathered they wanted him to play more creatively and again I thought he responded reasonably well. I don’t have a clue what he was told since then. Is that being honest and fair? Only Sven and the coaching staff can answer that.

    Back’s is even more confusing. They tell him they want more out of him offensively and they play him with McG, hardly an opportunity to respond to there request. Meanwhile they say Colborne is likely to be a defensive center and play him in the 2 or 3 whole, is that consistent.

    Ramo is another oddity; he win’s the starting job out of camp and then becomes the back up. not sure the logic there. Berra is number out of camp and when he comes up is played as the defacto number one without having allowing Ramo a chance to be a number one. Playing once evey 4 or 5 games is not the pattern of a starting goalie.

    So my question is has Hartley treated these 3-5 players fairly, many of us would doubt it. Has he treated them honestly only the players and the coaching staff can answer that one.

  • Craig

    On my way home from work today I heard an interview with Stamps assistant Coach Dave D and it made a lot of sense to me; in it he said: “You can’t treat every player equally but you can treat them honestly and fairly. Players know they have a role on the team and you can’t tell the third string back up he can beat out the starter for the next game; they know it’s lie.” (The last part is not an exact quote but close to what he said)

    If we are going to examine Hartley’s treatment of Backs and Sven lets use that criteria.

    Sven’s first sit down was because they wanted him to play better in all three zones and better defensively. From my perspective I feel he responded reasonably well and has played better in all three zones on most nights.(he’s minus 3, monahan is minus 7) Then they sat him again and from what I gathered they wanted him to play more creatively and again I thought he responded reasonably well. I don’t have a clue what he was told since then. Is that being honest and fair? Only Sven and the coaching staff can answer that.

    Back’s is even more confusing. They tell him they want more out of him offensively and they play him with McG, hardly an opportunity to respond to there request. Meanwhile they say Colborne is likely to be a defensive center and play him in the 2 or 3 whole, is that consistent.

    Ramo is another oddity; he win’s the starting job out of camp and then becomes the back up. not sure the logic there. Berra is number out of camp and when he comes up is played as the defacto number one without having allowing Ramo a chance to be a number one. Playing once evey 4 or 5 games is not the pattern of a starting goalie.

    So my question is has Hartley treated these 3-5 players fairly, many of us would doubt it. Has he treated them honestly only the players and the coaching staff can answer that one.

  • The Last Big Bear

    The scratches are baffling. The line combos are baffling.

    But giving Berra an extended look, regardless of results, is exactly what a rebuilding coach should do. And it’s exactly what everyone is calling for him to do with Sven.

    Meanwhile, Sven is getting 13-14 mins per night, in a slightly sheltered role, with about 60% OZone starts. Those are exactly the kind of minutes I would want to see for him. So other than the scratches, I think the actual TOI he’s getting is perfect.

    Backlund is getting boned. He really just needs to forget about defence for a couple games and put the biscuit in the basket a few times, because if he doesn’t prove he can produce he’s going to be flipped for spare parts.

    Frankly, we just don;t have enough information to say whether Hartley is doing a great job or a terrible job. Chances are the truth lies somewhere in between. Which is all you can ask from a guy who really is a placeholder coach.

    • RedMan

      No problem with the total ice time or the zone starts it is that Sven should be run out on the second unit power play every time he is in the line up. Currently he is 9th in total time and time per game among the forwards. I firmly believe that for the pure skilled players to develop they need power play ice time consistently with the extra time and space to show what they can do and to keep the confidence up.

      Playing skilled rookies on the power play is something that the Flames organization historically does very poorly. The power play is not good anyway might as well see what Sven can do on it.

  • The Last Big Bear

    The scratches are baffling. The line combos are baffling.

    But giving Berra an extended look, regardless of results, is exactly what a rebuilding coach should do. And it’s exactly what everyone is calling for him to do with Sven.

    Meanwhile, Sven is getting 13-14 mins per night, in a slightly sheltered role, with about 60% OZone starts. Those are exactly the kind of minutes I would want to see for him. So other than the scratches, I think the actual TOI he’s getting is perfect.

    Backlund is getting boned. He really just needs to forget about defence for a couple games and put the biscuit in the basket a few times, because if he doesn’t prove he can produce he’s going to be flipped for spare parts.

    Frankly, we just don;t have enough information to say whether Hartley is doing a great job or a terrible job. Chances are the truth lies somewhere in between. Which is all you can ask from a guy who really is a placeholder coach.

  • ChinookArchYYC

    Hartley is a veterans coach and not a good fit for a rebuild. I hope Brian Burke us half as smart as he thinks he is, and seriously considers hiring Troy Ward as the next Flames coach.

  • Burnward

    Sven has to earn it. He’s a nice player with great skills but isn’t, by any measure, an impact NHL player yet.

    As he learns the game we’ll see his ice time increase. But for now he’s not as good, consistent or reliable as the wingers ahead of him.

    Until his compete level and consistency matches his skills…he’s going to find himself fighting for top six ice time early in his career.

    I’m almost hoping we trade him so this topic goes away. He’s 20 freaking years old guys.

    RELAX ALREADY!

    • Burnward

      I think we all want Sven to earn his time. However many of think that he has made strides in his name, yes he still needs to improve a lot but so does Monahan, Bouma, and Colborne. What bothers me is when I see McG dress and play 2-7 minutes and drag whoever he is paired with to the same type of minutes while Sven and others are sitting in the press box. They could be playing and the team could rolling 4 lines and young players could be developing. Yes I think Sven can learn from the press box at times but I also think he can learn more on the ice most of the time.

      The fixation on winning (on a team that will not make the playoffs) is one of the things that is baffles most of us. I get and want a change in attitude (no one is entitled and we need to compete hard every night) but it seems to bet the fixation of Hartley and this is one of the reasons why he is struggling as a coach in a rebuilding team.

      • Burnward

        Fixation on winning? Have you ever been happy losing a hockey game?

        This is what baffles me.

        Why do you expect these guys to suppress every competitive urge they have because the team is rebuilding?

        And why should Hartley be content with losing?

        To expect the players to accept losing or for Hartley to coach to lose is a delusion.

        • Burnward

          You don’t get my point. As a coach I hated to lose but there were seasons when I realized my team was in a rebuild and I needed to temper my expectations of winning and losing and focus on player development and competition. I don’t expect or want the players to lose their competitive edge. I want it to be a big part of the rebuild. I don’t see how playing McG almost every night contributes to that. Hartley seems to not be able to get that.

          • Burnward

            No but I have coached high end sports that have a much more limited shelf life than a pro team, and college teams have to do rebuilds in a much shorter time span than in theory a pro team has. I have also been around coaches as competitive in nature as Hartley and maybe even so and have seen them realize the need for a rebuild(losing tore at their very core but when in the next year they became more competitive and challenged for league championships they realized the sacrifice was worth it)

          • Agreed, but that does not mean they have kept abreast of all the changes in coaching and sports pyscology, look how long it took for teams to get concussions even though the science had lots of evidence in the past. Also many of the older coaches were as much a process of timing, luck(who you know) and hard work rather than specific education and training. There is no doubt that Hartley works hard at his craft and that he knows his players better than any of us and we should give them credit for that. We also don’t know all the backroom politics of the Flames. I think an organization like the Flames may actually get in the way of the coaches game plan. As a fan though I do have the right to be critical as long as I am rational. I take my coaching experiences, my understanding of the game, my love of my team and my desire for the rebuild to be successful before I make my comments. I don’t think I’m one of the fans who is threatening to kill the coach or anything.