The FlamesNation Roundtable: Trade Deadline 2017

It’s the most wonderful time of the year for National Hockey League transaction junkies, as the league’s trade deadline is almost upon us! The demarcation between the buyers and sellers is just starting to become evident and we’ve already seen a flurry of activity from a few teams.

What will the Calgary Flames do? What should they do? What should they avoid? We’ve assembled the best team of analysts in the hockey blogging world to share their feelings on the 2017 trade deadline!

What’s your dream scenario for this year’s deadline day moves?

Kent: My dream scenario is to add at least one more top nine forward while also selling off some of the deadweight (Dennis Wideman and Jyrki Jokipakka). I’d hope the new forward is good enough to push Troy Brouwer down to the fourth line, or move Bennett from center to wing.

Mike: I’d love it if the Flames somehow managed to unload Jyrki Jokipakka, Dennis Wideman, Lance Bouma, or Troy Brouwer. One or two or three or all of them. I don’t even care what the return is on them in this hypothetical scenario.

Christian T: I would like them to somehow swipe Nino Niederreiter from the Wild. The more likely dream scenario is moving Wideman or Jokipakka for a pick.

Ryan: If the Flames could clear out some cap space via a Dennis Wideman deal and potentially add a middle six forward to bump Bennett to the wing.

Christian R: Dream scenario is acquiring Duchene without giving up Bennett or any of the big three defenceman. It’s a dream, right? I don’t know what the package would look like, but the Flames with Monahan/Duchene/Backlund down the middle and moving Bennett to the wing would be lethal.

Ari: The Flames somehow acquiring a forward who fits in with their age group – say a Nino Niederreiter or, if you want to dream really big, Gabriel Landeskog or Matt Duchene – without getting fleeced. They get someone who immediately becomes a part of both the present and future of this team and really strengthens the top nine. Also, Jarome Iginla for Troy Brouwer. (You said dream, right?)

What’s your nightmare scenario?

Kent: Something similar to what Minnesota just did: spend a ton of future assets to get a marginal upgrade. Nobody should be committing first round picks to middle rotation rental players, let alone the Flames who aren’t really in a position to challenge for the cup this year.

Mike: The Flames overpaying for a rental and not making the playoffs/making the playoffs but bowing out in the first round. This team has no shot at the Cup or even the Conference Final this year so don’t be dumb and mortgage the future incorrectly.

Christian T: My fears that they will overpay for something has gone down due to Minny doing that for Hanzal. I think a trade for Marc-Andre Fleury is the bigger fear right now, but I doubt it will happen.

Ryan: I am terrified that they’ll send future assets out the door to marginally improve their goaltending. Considering where they are in the progression of their rebuild, they need to hold onto the young assets that they have.

Christian R: Nightmare scenario is taking on a bad contract or spending quality assets on a sub-quality player. A second round pick for a bottom six grinder type deal. I trust Treliving won’t do anything like that, judging from his history.

Ari: Flames go out and spend assets on either a pure rental or a player who is not all that good. (Thank goodness the Wild already went nuts with Martin Hanzal for some reason.) They are not in a position to sell their future by any means, however small.

What do you actually think is likely to happen, and how do you feel about those moves?

Kent: I think Treliving will add another depth forward and get rid of at least one of his extra defenders.

Mike: Add a forward if the cost is right and trade either Engelland, Wideman, or Jokipakka. The latter seems more likely than the two former names here.

Christian T: Probably nothing. There’s not a lot that Treliving can do with the cap space he has and the assets he can sell, so I’m quite neutral on whatever will happen.

Ryan: I figure they add a forward of some manner for a mid-to-late round pick, but I’m not convinced that they’ll be able to move out Wideman. As long as the cost isn’t too bad, adding options to their bottom six isn’t a terrible idea.

Christian R: I think the Flames make a quiet move for a forward and move out Wideman with 50% retained for some sort of asset. Don’t think this is the year for the Flames to go all in.

Ari: Nothing. Maybe they recoup the third rounder they used to get Michael Stone by trading away someone already unwanted. I’d be fine with either.

  • Kevin R

    Pretty quiet on Flames being in on any of the rental suspects left out there. Probably a good thing. Was reading where Nichushkin would have to be protected in the expansion draft even if he’s playing in the KHL. I know Dallas doesn’t even have 7 forwards on contract going into next year, so not an issue for them to protect him, but wonder what it would take to get him. Would they consider Porrier & our 2nd for him? Would you cough up our 1st for him? Big young RW, maybe he would come back to scenario like Calgary.

  • Sanintarious

    Don’t be at all surprised to see Porier moved before tomorrow’s deadline. Seems to have fallen completely out of favour. Scratched 3 straight games for the Heat.

    It may be a bit early to give up on the kid, wasn’t a HUGE fan of the pick at the time (Damn you Feaster).

    Jokipakka now on waivers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go unclaimed, then traded shortly after. Similar to Pulkeninen. Wouldn’t get anything of worth however. Futures maybe.

      • Sanintarious

        As in Porier?

        He still has another year on his ELC after this year

        I just meant, don’t be surprised IF Flames move him or package him. I am not on board with it, just stating that this wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility.

  • Lucky 13

    Honestly think Treliving does nothing at all at this point, unless it’s trading Wideman for whatever he can get for him. Too little cap space to be in the buy mode.

    Off season will be very interesting though, to see what’s in store…

  • Sanintarious

    I am 50/50 on Halak option….It keeps coming up. 2-3 weeks ago would have made a lot of sense, but goaltending has been pretty good of late.

    Halak is interesting. He had some great numbers at times and has stolen some HUGE playoff games.

    He is on a decent deal. He was really good in the World Championship, but struggled early this season and lost his job to Greiss. If Berube wasn’t waiver eligible, he’d likely still be up in the NHL.

    NYI were not a good club to start the season, and it got pinned on Halak, who has been playing out of his mind good….in the AHL.

  • Graham

    The less the Flames do ‘buy wise’ the better, let the expansion draft play out, and wait for the off season before doing anything major. The Flames are not a contender so why over pay at the trade deadline?

    At this point I doubt anyone would trade a bag of pucks for Wideman even with retained salary, but one can always hope. I would listen to ‘sell’ offers, maybe a Stajan, Engelland or Brouwer would yield a decent draft pick.

  • Greatsave

    Speaking of realms of possibility, and since someone already brought up Tampa, they do have NMC troubles come expansion draft as well as RFA’s to re-sign with minimal cap space. Unless they get Callahan or Filppula to waive their NMC, is it possible that one of Killorn, Johnson, or Palat becomes available? I still think Drouin is too big a part of their future to be moved at this point.

    I know I’ve previously said that expansion draft necessities can and probably will be dealt with post-playoffs, but I couldn’t resist the idea of landing one of those three. We have the room to protect them, we have the cap space to hang on to them.

  • The Doctor

    Disappointed in Poirier. I remember when he was really tearing up the QMJHL. It’s still a head-scratcher to me how and why he fizzled after that very good first year in the AHL (including going to the all-star game).

  • Pond Hockey

    Although it would be nice add an impact player it’s nice knowing that the team is making a push for the playoffs and we don’t have GM vultures circling overhead looking to pull the team apart.

  • C Watson

    If the Flames continue their recent strong play it is within the realm of possibility that they finish 2nd in the Pacific Division.
    I don’t think they do anything more and nor should they.

  • Greg

    My dream is Pittsburgh realizes they are stuck with Fleury and will lose Murray, so the flames swoop in and grab him.

    My nightmare is Pittsburgh realizes they aren’t stuck with Fleury because the Flames have acquired him.

    • Rockmorton65

      wouldnt sweat it. Nothing in the article has the teams talking.

      The only way I see BT doing it is to acquire a significant asset. Like –

      Johnson & Shink for Miller & Virtanen. Lol. And Benning isn’t THAT crazy.

  • everton fc

    We won’t trade for a goalie. I’ve read we are kicking tires on Vrbata. I’d like to see Roussel on LW/4th line over Bouma. Cheaper cap hit, and always in double digits w/goals. Stars may not be able to protect him. He’d also give us some needed grit, as we play soft at times, and our league-leading penalty minutes are full of bad calls, but mostly dumb mistakes…

    Not sure who Vrbata pushes out of the lineup – Brouwer or Chiasson would be the only two RW’s he’d be an improvement over. I hope they can pick up some youth, like Duclair from the Coyotes. Killorn could push Bennett to LW, but what do you do w/Versteeg or Brouwer? Killorn could be protected at the expense of Brouwer.

    If Poirier can’t cut it in Stockton, who would want him? My hope/fear is they move Kulak. I still see him having top-4 potential. Moving Engelland would be a mistake.

  • everton fc

    We won’t trade for a goalie. I’ve read we are kicking tires on Vrbata. I’d like to see Roussel on LW/4th line over Bouma. Cheaper cap hit, and always in double digits w/goals. Stars may not be able to protect him. He’d also give us some needed grit, as we play soft at times, and our league-leading penalty minutes are full of bad calls, but mostly dumb mistakes…

    Not sure who Vrbata pushes out of the lineup – Brouwer or Chiasson would be the only two RW’s he’d be an improvement over. I hope they can pick up some youth, like Duclair from the Coyotes. Killorn could push Bennett to LW, but what do you do w/Versteeg or Brouwer? Killorn could be protected at the expense of Brouwer.

    If Poirier can’t cut it in Stockton, who would want him? My hope/fear is they move Kulak. I still see him having top-4 potential. Moving Engelland would be a mistake.

  • everton fc

    We won’t trade for a goalie. I’ve read we are kicking tires on Vrbata. I’d like to see Roussel on LW/4th line over Bouma. Cheaper cap hit, and always in double digits w/goals. Stars may not be able to protect him. He’d also give us some needed grit, as we play soft at times, and our league-leading penalty minutes are full of bad calls, but mostly dumb mistakes…

    Not sure who Vrbata pushes out of the lineup – Brouwer or Chiasson would be the only two RW’s he’d be an improvement over. I hope they can pick up some youth, like Duclair from the Coyotes. Killorn could push Bennett to LW, but what do you do w/Versteeg or Brouwer? Killorn could be protected at the expense of Brouwer.

    If Poirier can’t cut it in Stockton, who would want him? My hope/fear is they move Kulak. I still see him having top-4 potential. Moving Engelland would be a mistake.

  • everton fc

    We won’t trade for a goalie. I’ve read we are kicking tires on Vrbata. I’d like to see Roussel on LW/4th line over Bouma. Cheaper cap hit, and always in double digits w/goals. Stars may not be able to protect him. He’d also give us some needed grit, as we play soft at times, and our league-leading penalty minutes are full of bad calls, but mostly dumb mistakes…

  • everton fc

    We won’t pick up a goalie – we don’t need one. We are kicking tires on Vrbata, apparently. Eric Fehr and Joe Cramarossa on waivers – Cramarossa’s cap hit is not high.

    Would like to pick up a young prospect like Duclair, to mitigate disappointment of Poirier.

  • Albertabeef

    Ok so I’m ok with Iggy for Brower. But ONLY if he plays fourth line minutes on Stajans right side. Otherwise no. He’s not reliable for first line minutes and I’m adraid they would try it. Bouma-Stajan.Iggy as the fourth line could be cup contenders. It’s like Lanny on the fourth line.