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WWYDW: How do you get James Neal going?

James Neal is a scorer, and has been throughout his career. He had 37 points as a rookie; his career high is 81. As a 30-year-old playing for Vegas in the 2017-18 season, he scored 44 points. And never, at any point in his time in the NHL, has he ever failed to hit the 20-goal mark.

The Flames, a team desperately in need of scoring prowess, were a natural fit. Awarded with a five-year, $5.75 million annual average value contract – almost certainly his last big payday – expectations were probably in line for at least 20 goals and 40 points. But through 18 games this season, Neal has just three goals and four points, on pace for 14 and 18: not even close to good enough.

Neal was benched for the entire third period of the Flames’ latest game against the Sharks, a frame in which they were down by just one goal and were never out of it until the final minute. It’s not a good sign, but the team really needs Neal to get going: not just for the sake of justifying the contract and ensuring they don’t let all of that cap space go to waste, but because they need secondary scoring, and Neal should be a leader in that department.

Instead, Neal’s four points to date have him tied for ninth in team scoring, alongside:

  • Sam Bennett, a fourth overall pick who is the epitome of snakebitten.
  • Austin Czarnik, an AHL/NHL tweener who has been scratched for seven of 18 games.
  • Mark Jankowski, a second-year player relegated to fourth line minutes and occasional healthy scratches.
  • TJ Brodie, a defenceman who is fighting to get back to the top of his game.
  • Michael Stone, a defenceman who has also been scratched for seven of 18 games.

Neal has averaged 15:36 a game so far this season, sixth among all forwards on the team. (Everyone above him in minutes has also scored more.) His 42:31 total on the powerplay is fifth among Flames forwards, but he’s gone point-less on the man advantage (all four forwards above him in ice time have ranged from six to eight powerplay points).

However: Neal has 10 shots on the powerplay, which puts him in line with the four forwards above him. He has 42 shots on net total, fifth on the Flames (but behind his pacing from the previous season), but just a 7.1 shooting percentage: well below his career 12.0%. If he’d been shooting at his career average, he’d have five goals: not the best, but at least an improvement.

His underlying numbers all reflect positively, no worse than 50% in any stat at 5v5 except for goals for, where he’s 42.11%. His present offensive zone start ratio, at 50%, is the lowest he’s had to date in his career.

Neal hasn’t found a home on any Flames line in particular, however. His most common linemate by far has been Sam Bennett, with Mikael Backlund and Matthew Tkachuk rounding things out. After those three, you dig into bottom six forwards Derek Ryan, Dillon Dube, and Mark Jankowski (the latter two of whom he’s projected to play with next game), before you get to high end offensive players and theorized Neal linemates Johnny Gaudreau and Sean Monahan:

Player TOI w/ CF% w/ Neal CF% w/out Player CF% w/out
Bennett 101:03 53.11 51.95 56.48
Backlund 75:40 57.45 50.17 60.22
Tkachuk 57:13 58.72 50.45 58.98
Ryan 48:24 50.96 53.90 57.62
Dube 41:46 45.21 53.73 54.43
Jankowski 41:31 54.22 54.51 49.69
Gaudreau 34:19 44.64 53.65 53.13
Monahan 33:21 49.21 53.05 51.80

While Neal’s numbers haven’t been inherently bad, there is a worrying pattern starting to form that, among the players he’s spent the most time with, they tend to be better when separated from him. The problem seems to take a different form when it comes to forwards he’s spent less time with: they both end up dragging one another down, though both may perform perfectly fine when separated from one another.

All of this begs the question: just where, exactly, does Neal fit in the Flames’ lineup? He needs to be a scorer, so do you find a way to give him increased offensive zone starts?

Do you try to reunite him with Gaudreau and Monahan to see if they can build on whatever early season falterings they may have had, and is it worth removing Elias Lindholm from what’s been a mostly effective line to date to see if this could work? (Can Lindholm handle his own line, for that matter?)

Do you keep him with the likes of Bennett and Backlund, or has that ship sailed, without much in the way of actual goals coming from it?

If trying him with Monahan again isn’t the answer, does that mean it makes sense to put him back with Ryan or Jankowski instead?

Or do you try Neal alongside Lindholm himself? They’ve only played 19:42 together to date.

If Neal starts finding success, chances are, the entire Flames group will right along with him. So what would you do?

  • canadian1967

    Anze Kopitar 16 4 2
    Nik Ehlers 16 4 4
    Jeff Carter 16 4 6
    Jason Spezza 18 4 6
    Bryan Little 16 4 3
    Mike Backlund 18 3 7
    Max Pacioretty 14 2 0
    Jaden Scwartz 13 2 5
    N Neinerreiter 18 1 7
    James Neal 18 3 1

    Ari says: “But through 18 games this season, Neal has just three goals and four points, on pace for 14 and 18: not even close to good enough.”

    The numbers above are GP, Goals and Assists.

    When Neal gets 5 goals in 3 games at one or two points in the season, will we then see articles about how awesome he is? Scoring is streaky for most players, only the top percentile are “consistently” scoring.

    Didn’t Kopitar have over 90 points last season?

    Neal will be fine, he just needs to pop a couple to feel better.

    • HOCKEY83

      Last season Neal got 6 goals in his first 4 games and then got 1 in 9 and very sporadic from that point forward with many goalless streaks to the end of the season. If the expectation is at least 20 goals in 82 games there are going to be a lot of games with out goals.

  • The Beej

    I dont know. He looks like a beef jerky kind of a guy. Would that work? Its a new climate for him. He might just need a new snack.

    What if the coach stuffed a habanero in his mouth before every shift?

    If it is the climate maybe some meditation sessions with Eucalyptus to open up the lungs.

    Coffee. Thats gotta be it. Gets me going. Get the man some stronger coffee… and to open up the lungs and get that circulation going… add some Sassafras. Gotta be the coffee.

  • Jessemadnote

    I would keep him away from Backlund. Backs just has too much defensive responsibility and a playing style that doesn’t mesh from my watches. I would also avoid the combo of Bennett and Janko, neither are really good playdrivers/passers who could create opportunities for Neal. There’s a couple options I would look at trying:

    Gaudreau – Lindholm – Neal
    Tkachuk – Lindholm – Neal
    Neal Czarnik – Janko –

  • SeanCharles


    I think Czarnik is a good playmaker that is a little unheralded at the moment but has potential. Janko has been playing better lately and I think you need to keep the top 2 lines together to see if Bennett will be a long term fit with Backs and Chuck.

  • BendingCorners

    Buying out Brouwer was smart, signing Neal was not. BP will make the best use of JN that he can. If Neal ignites then he will spend time with Johnny, if not he won’t.
    My preference would be to trade him for a pick or a prospect, if he doesn’t improve this year.

  • OLdGuy

    You have to give Neil ice time, don,t think 3rd line minutes is going to cut it. Think I would slot him to a different 2nd line….Maybe with Jankowski and Bennett.

  • Spider you muda&@#ker

    Not sure why top PP cant be divided maybe throw JH and Neal together throw in Chucky and whoever else and put Lindholm and Monahan on the other unit with Jankowski or whoever abd try and get Neal going with a quality playmaker. Of course if we dont get any PP like last game it doesnt mean [email protected]! But theres no way Im splitting up that number one line if Im the coach those guys are producing really well last three games maybe not as much but still