Flames Comparables – Part 3
By Kent Wilson
13 years ago(In this final part of the series, Robert Vollman takes a look at the Flames offensive defensemen)
Jay Bouwmeester, 27
When Calgary made a 25-year-old Bouwmeester one of the highest paid defensemen in the league last year, the Flames were hoping for a potential Norris contender, while Bouwmeester was hoping to see the first post-season action of his career. They were both sorely disappointed. After 167 points over 4 full post-lockout seasons in Florida, Bouwmeester managed just 29 points – will he bounce back this year, or did the Flames accidentally find their own Wade Redden?
Age Closest Comparable GP G A PTS
26 Rick Lanz 1987-88 75 4 17 21
27 Mike O’Connell 1982-83 80 10 29 39
27 Serge Savard 1972-73 74 6 28 34
26 Bill Gadsby 1953-54 70 14 37 51
29 Richard Smehlik 1998-99 72 3 12 15
25 Doug Crossman 1985-86 80 4 27 31
26 Pavel Kubina 2003-04 81 18 20 38
25 Tom Poti 2002-03 80 11 39 50
27 Glen Wesley 1995-96 68 7 15 22
28 Randy Carlyle 1984-85 71 9 28 37
Worst (Smehlik) 82 4 13 17
Best (Gadsby) 82 16 44 60
Average 82 10 27 37
Comparables are a bit harder to find for a defenseman who scores 42 goals over 3 seasons and then manages only 3. Nevertheless, I like the Bouwmeester projection perhaps better than any other: he has played 82 games every year since the lock-out, consistently earns very close to 27 assists, and it makes sense that his goal scoring would bounce back to a double-digit threat.
I don’t see Bouwmeester ever living up to the unrealistic expectations the Flames had of him when pen was put to paper in the summer of 2009. Even if everything broke right and he had a season like Hall-of-Famer Bill Gadsby, it would still only barely be worth the money he’s paid. You can’t succeed in the salary cap era with too many players like that, but still – a season like that sure wouldn’t hurt!
Ian White, 26
Ian White had a mini-breakout season, scoring 13 goals and 38 points, after three seasons in the 21-26 point range. His even-strength scoring rate was always consistently in that strong 0.9-1.1 range, but over the last two seasons the diminutive blueliner finally got the ice-time he needed to translate that into difference-making offense.
Age Closest Comparable GP G A PTS
26 Chris Joseph 1995-96 70 4 13 17
26 Brian Pothier 2003-04 55 2 7 9
26 Dave Manson 1992-93 83 11 23 34
27 Michel Petit 1991-92 70 3 19 22
25 Dennis Wideman 2008-09 79 13 36 49
27 Gord Murphy 1994-95 46 6 15 21
26 Dan McGillis 1998-99 78 8 40 48
28 Darryl Edestrand 1973-74 55 3 7 10
27 Ed Westfall 1967-68 73 14 23 37
24 Pavel Kubina 2001-02 82 12 25 37
Worst (Pothier) 82 3 10 13
Best (Wideman) 82 13 37 50
Average 82 9 24 33
I’ll admit, the first thing I did when I saw this list was to look at heights and weights, unfortunately it’s hard to draw conclusions comparing the smallish Ian White with giants like Pavel Kubina. I was among those to applaud Sutter for having the confidence to bring White to the Flames so soon after giving away Anton Stralman for being too small (though actually a little bigger than White), but size does play a factor in both the opportunities White will be given, and on his ability to capitalize.
Those of you looking at Wideman and McGillis to consider the upside, remember that those two players were simply part of a temporarily hot team, and returned to Earth the next season. While 4 of these 10 dropped back down to lower levels of production, I think White is more like the 6 who did not – but I don’t expect him to go much higher.
Mark Giordano, 27
On a team with Jay Bouwmeester and Dion Phaneuf ($13.5 million), who would have thought their leading scorer would be Mark Giordano ($1.0 million), who had yet to break the 20-point mark? He was not a huge scorer in the OHL, AHL nor in Russia (with the exception of a 58-point season for Omaha at age 22), so is this 30 point season his high-water mark, or a stepping stone to an even higher level?
Age Closest Comparable GP G A PTS
26 Andre Dupont 1975-76 75 7 23 30
25 Chris Joseph 1994-95 33 5 10 15
25 Duncan Keith 2008-09 77 8 35 43
25 Patrice Brisebois 1995-96 69 8 25 33
28 Jim Morrison 1959-60 70 3 22 25
27 V. Konstantinov 1994-95 47 3 11 14
27 Jordan Leopold 2007-08 43 5 8 13
25 Richard Smehlik 1994-95 39 4 7 11
27 Dmitri Kalinin 2007-08 46 1 7 8
27 Adam Burt 1995-96 78 4 8 12
Worst (Burt) 82 4 9 13
Best (Keith) 82 8 37 45
Average 82 7 21 28
Duncan Keith, Wow! Even if you’re expecting big things from Giordano, it’s one thing to score 43 points with Toews and Kane, and it’s quite another on one the league’s lowest-scoring teams. It’s more likely that Keith is on this list merely because of the difficulty in finding accurate comparables with only 3 seasons worth of data, but it’s still nice to see that potential upside.
The fact that an 11-goal defenseman doesn’t have a single comparable on pace for double digits is actually quite agreeable, given that Giordano’s own shooting percentage shot up from 2.4% to 9.9% last year. Shooting percentage really tends to regress to the mean, so you can definitely use it as a guide to tell who is bound to score more (Tanguay, Bouwmeester) and who is bound to score fewer (Giordano).
Apart from that, I’m not quite sure what to make of Giordano. His higher scoring was a function of an amazing 4-and-a-half-minute increase in playing time – his even-strength scoring rate was actually his lowest ever. Regardless of whether or not he can beat the projection, he’s still one of the NHL’s greatest bargains.
Wrapping Up
You probably realized several pages ago that the waters really didn’t clear up very much. I don’t need comparables of my own to peer in to the future and hear you thinking “Iginla’s good for 53 to 89 points? Gee, thanks for the newsflash Vollman!” What can I say? Anyone with a more accurate prediction than that is really just guessing, and yours is as good as anyone else’s, provided it has a reasonable precedent like those above.
In closing I’d like to thank Kent Wilson for inviting me to offer something to my fellow FlamesNation readers, and I encourage to be generous with their comments.
(Thanks again to Robert for putting in so much time and effort for this series. Make sure to check out his work at Puck Prospectus during the season)
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