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FlamesNation prospect wrap-up: Oliver Kylington

The Stockton Heat were largely driven this year by their defencemen. Three of their top six scorers were defencemen, all putting up 35 points or more and scoring at least 0.55 PPG. It’s not the only reason, but you could perhaps rest most of the blame for the Heat missing the playoffs on the fact that two of their best defencemen were on recall by the Flames during a crucial part of the schedule.

One of the most important, yet still somewhat unheralded for his efforts, this season was 2015 second rounder Oliver Kylington. In his third season with the team, he managed to finish tied for 15th in scoring, 10th in primary points, first in 5v5 points, and second in 5v5 primary points among all AHL defencemen. He will legally be allowed to drink in Stockton in just a few days’ time.

Kylington has put up an impressive season. Does he factor into next year’s plans?

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Kylington was heralded as one of the next best things to come out of Sweden thanks to his strong performances in leagues where kids his age usually don’t succeed. He spent the majority of his draft-1 year in the SHL, where he picked up six points in 32 games as a 16-year-old. That convinced scouts that he could be one of the prizes in the loaded 2015 draft.

His draft year was disastrous. Although he had some similar production to his draft-1 year, a bad review from the U18 WJC and some struggles in the SHL and Allsvenskan saw him drop from top potential top five pick all the way into the second round where the Flames traded up to scoop up Kylington. He was projected to be a faller, but getting him in the second round was too good to pass up.

The past two seasons, Kylington has been plying his trade in the AHL, becoming one of the rare teenaged defencemen in that league. His first season was quiet, unfortunately so due to injury (but he did score a North American pro goal before Connor McDavid did, so there’s that), although there were plenty of positives. Kylington saw NHL action at the end of year and generally left a good impression for a rookie.

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His second season was another steady improvement. Kylington nearly doubled his PPG output from the year before, this despite spending the majority of his time on a pairing with Kayle Doetzel (16 career professional points, 12 of them coming in the ECHL). A strong performance at the World Juniors, where he led all Swedish defencemen with four points in seven games, saw him win a few player of the game accolades.

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Kylington stayed put in Stockton this season, for the most part. He only missed time for undisclosed personal reasons in Sweden, the flu, and being in emergency recall limbo with the Flames.

Throughout the year, he was behind Rasmus Andersson and Tyler Wotherspoon, on the second pairing with Cody Goloubef. He was trusted in pretty much every situation besides PKing, only getting the occasional spin shorthanded. Kylington put up some very respectable numbers in a second pairing role, matching his AHL career assist totals this year.

The numbers

GP G A P Primary points 5v5 Points 5v5 Primary points NHLe
AHL 62 7 28 35 24 24 17 21.76

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Kylington almost immediately hit a rough patch as the season began, but found a consistency to his game sometime around December and ran with it until the end of the season.

An important aspect of Kylington’s development is that he stepped forward as a 5v5 producer. He relied less on powerplay and 4v4/3v3 scoring this season, jumping in 5v5 points (16 to 24) and nearly doubling his 5v5 primary point total (nine to 17). Primary points are also becoming a specialty of his, as he also nearly doubled in that category, too (13 to 24).

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The immediate comparison when discussing NHL readiness would be to look at fellow Swedish 2015 draftee Rasmus Andersson. Given the gap between the two’s numbers, it might be easy to say that Andersson is ready and Kylington just needs a bit more seasoning, but the devil’s in the details. Andersson and Kylington had the same primary points per game (0.39) and the same 5v5 primary points per game (0.27). If you factor in estimated 5v5 time on ice, an area where Andersson had about a two-minute advantage (16.63 vs 14.75), Kylington was better at both 5v5 points/60 (1.57 to 1.55) and 5v5 primary points/60 (1.12 vs 0.97). If Kylington had Andersson’s time on ice, we would probably be talking about him more often.


Methodology explained here. Kylington’s full data can be found here.

Not sure if anyone’s heard of a fella named PK Subban, but Kylington’s production (at both AS and 5v5) as a 20-year-old is nearly identical to Subban’s 20-year-old AHL season.

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Perhaps that’s hyping him a bit too much, but Kylington also had similar production at all situations to the 20-year-old versions of Tyson Barrie, Roman Josi, Marco Scandella, Brayden McNabb, and Ryan Ellis. Like Subban, Adam Larsson’s AS and 5v5 production as a 20-year-old AHLer matched Kylington’s.

If you look at the full data, you can find plenty of promising names (even going back to his 18- and 19-year-old seasons, though Kylington already stands out as few teenage defencemen actually play in the AHL). Kylington has had his ups and downs throughout his career, and perhaps hype has (fairly or not) built expectations that he just can’t live up to, but he has consistently produced like some of the best NHL defencemen did in their AHL days.

Probability is not destiny, but you really have to like the company Kylington stands among. Matching with a lot (61.54% at AS, 100% at 5v5) of NHLers who are typically strong second pairing and above players is really promising. A lot of these players made the jump from AHL to NHL by 21, which would bode well for Oliver.

The future

I think Kylington will come to camp and earn a job.

First off, he’s a cheap body who has made some serious leaps from year two to year three. Presuming there’s a defensive shakeup, there’s at least one spot open and there’s space for someone to win it. If Kylington can come to camp ready to make an impact, he’s an easy choice for the third pairing. He may not be an all around complete defencemen yet, but you can’t really go wrong with developing him in sheltered minutes. What else does he really have to learn in the AHL?

Kylington also presents an opportunity to capitalize on cheap contracts. He still has two years left on an ELC making less than $800,000. Playing Kylington on the third pairing also allows them to stash Juuso Valimaki in the AHL and slide his contract another year. That’s a pretty solid and cap-conscious development plan.

It’s likely down to him versus Valimaki for a defensive job alongside Andersson. Whoever wins that battle, we can all agree that the Flames are in good standing with their blueline prospects.


Josh Healey & Adam Ollas Mattsson | Mitchell Mattson | Hunter Smith | Mason McDonald | Tyler Parsons | Juuso Valimaki | Nick Schneider | Adam Ruzicka | Matthew Phillips | D’Artagnan Joly | Glenn Gawdin | Zach Fischer | Dillon Dube | Filip Sveningsson | Eetu Tuulola | Adam Fox | Linus Lindstrom | Pavel Karnaukhov & Rushan Rafikov

  • BlueMoonNigel

    Don’t know why Worthy is not part of the serious talk about possible Flames defenders for 2018-19. Got the opinion that despite Worthy being in the Flames’ org for a dog’s years, management still doesn’t know if he is a 7th d-man or possibly a solid 2nd or reliable 3rd pairing guy. Shame on them for not doing their homework, especially if Worthy moves on and makes an impact elsewhere.

    • cjc

      Wotherspoon was 24 to start this year, 4 years older than Kylington and 3.5 years older than Andersson. His pts/gp were lower than both of them, despite top pairing minutes. He’s a good soldier, but Flames D prospect depth goes Valimaki>Andersson/Kylington>Kulak>Wotherspoon (not to mention the unsigned Adam Fox).

    • JMK

      He’s had a few stints with the NHL club, last year being the exception. I imagine they know full well what they have. Kulak passed him out on the depth chart, now Andersson has and this article makes me optimistic that Kylington has too. I liked Wotherspoon and hoped he would break out a couple of seasons ago but he never showed much. I also remember reading a few articles that showed slumps once he went back to AHL.

        • radiomonkey

          I’m not sure why everyone is insisting Wotherspoon move on. I think the Flames should resign him if he’s willing. At a minimum, he’s depth in the AHL. We also have no idea what his personal circumstances are. Maybe he and/or his wife really love living in California. Maybe she has a career of her own there.

      • Rudy27

        That would be great if it happened, but doubt Vancouver would get rid of a 21 yr old RH/RW top 6 pick for a 25 yr old D-Man that still can’t make the NHL lineup.

  • cjc

    Andersson is nearly 7 months older than Kylington, which at that age can make a big difference. Of course having two rookie D make the team means moving out at least two other defensemen. Bring on the youth movement though, gotta give these guys a chance.

    • JMK

      Last year, BT gave the wings a chance to earn a spot and had to sign Jagr when no one stepped up. Will he try it this year with defencemen?? Or will he be more hesitant since it failed last year?

  • Honkydonk

    Reality is you have Wotherspoon and you have Kulak in the mix along with Kylington and Anderson.

    I look at it this way: Kulak and Anderson will be on the Flames roster. But so will Wotherspoon.

    The question is do the flames trade Brodie along with Stone or not? If they trade Brodie you can be assured Kylington makes the team.

    If they do not trade Brodie you will have Kylington on the top d pair in Stockton with Valimaki on the second pairing.

  • buts

    Patience with D is a must and Kylington will be a top 4 D one day, and that day is not far away. Major league wheels which covers up mistakes and is what you need in todays nhl.

      • Al Rain

        I think it’s clear that Wotherspoon has been passed by much better prospects. I don’t get how fans see this as anything but awesome. If Treliving did some magic and two years from now we had a handful of blue chip fwd prospects that were clearly better in every way than Dillon Dube, would we all be screaming about how he deserves to be on the team? No, we’d wish him luck and ship him off to a worse team that needed him more.

  • Atomic Clown

    I’m pleasantly surprised by Kylingtons’s stats, given his age and skillset. I know defensive depth is a good thing, but a logjam that you can’t get out of isnt that great. Of the current NHL defensemen, how many can be easily traded?

    • FLT

      I’m definitely impressed with Kylington’s results too – it’s easy to forget how young this guy still is. Thanks Christian for putting the numbers into perspective while the focus has primarily been on Andersson.

      I think everyone but Gio could be traded easily, it’s just a matter of how big the return is. Stone wouldn’t net much at his salary. Brodie would get a good return, but they might be selling low on him now. Hamonic has the family situation which I think the Flames will respect by keeping him in the fold. Hamilton…there’s been enough talk about him here lately. The rest I’d lump into prospect/developing territory, all could potentially be traded.

  • Squishin

    I would bet that management does nothing, keeping the logjam intact. The kids need a chance to play. Specifically, there needs to be room for Andersson, which there isn’t at the moment. Kylington is looking more and more ready, so a spot needs to open up. Kulak made some great strides forward this year – he should get more minutes. Trades have to be made. You can’t go into next season with this many capable defencemen while there are so many holes on forward.

    • FLT

      I share your concerns.

      Teams that are consistently successful develop quality talent internally. The more home-grown youth that can replace, or even improve on, the production of higher-priced vets, the better.

    • Dougiefred

      Everyone should be aware there is another way to clear the logjam, that not many are talking about. Clear out some of the prospects.
      Prospects are prospects, nothing until proven no guarantee.
      Many on this site consider them money in the bank.

      • Squishin

        It comes down to money. Will the veterans do a better job than the prospects? If so, is it worth the extra ~8mil of cap space they’re eating? These kids are all cheap and some are looking ready to play in the bigs. Why would you not use them?

          • cberg

            “Blind is as blind does”, or something like that. These are not unknowns, and the Flames have had plenty of time to watch them closely in the AHL and earlier. So I guess what you’re saying is no prospect gets an NHL shot unless there is an injury or a retirement? That’s pretty much what the Flames have done, and one of the reasons they are in their current predicament. Hopefully BT and others are realizing they need a different strategy is required and that they need to make room for very worthy prospects.

      • Al Rain

        I would say that our depth of quality D prospects are viewed by Treliving as a valuable form of currency. If I was the betting type, I’d wager that two of Fox, Valimaki, Kylington and Andersson aren’t in the parade, but a couple of key pieces that they are traded for will be.

        Any rate, great to know that Kylington is coming along.

    • Derzie

      The good news is that the new coach, who anyone looking at his history would not have hired, is tearing it up in the Wor….
      Oops. The headline is the Canadian team is underperforming. Where have we heard that before? The Hurricanes beat writer said the very same thing. Yet here we are. Burke likes to take credit for things he didn’t do and there is a reason that he left and it’s plain as day if you don’t drink the kool aid.

  • canadian1967

    21 HOURS AGO
    What The Hell are you talking about?!!!

    Backlund played exclusively with Tkachuck who is already a better player than Backlund will ever be and is the only reason Backlund ever got anywhere near 50 pts and $6M/yr.

    Give your head a shake.

    17 HOURS AGO

    “is the only reason Backlund ever got anywhere near 50 pts”

    Backlund had a 47 point season before Tkachuk was even drafted. I think 47 is pretty near 50 points, no?

    • canadian1967

      This is a Reply TO BAALZAMON:
      Since I didn’t see your comment yesterday, buddy I had to reply here.

      Wow, 47 points in his 9th season after being drafted. I stand corrected, Mikael Backlund is Awesome!”

      I really don’t understand all the love more Mikael B. It literally took 8 years for him to become what he is, which is a “good” player, yet all the Backlund lovers want to write off Jankowski after 5 years

      • Squishin

        Or you could just reply on the other article instead of awkwardly moving it to this one. I happen to agree with your point, but why on an article about Kylington?

      • The Real Slim Brodie

        Backlund also spent most of his years dragging guys like bouma into overpriced contracts. The reason Backlund got 60 points was because he finally got a good linemate. You are aloud to have good linemates right?

      • Mitchell

        I don’t think it’s about writing off jankowski at all. For me it’s more like backlund has proven he’s capable of putting up 40-50 points a season. Jankowski hasn’t proven That. Granted he didn’t have as good of linemates, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he could put up better numbers than backlund with Tkachuk. Maybe he could, but who knows. He’s a 3rd line center right now. That is until if and when he proves he’s a 2nd line center.

  • The Fall

    I hate that weak ‘water ski’ move he does when trying to walk the line in the offensive zone – total amateur move. Kid needs to grow up and make better decisions with the puck.

  • Baalzamon

    Let’s not forget: Kylington was really good in training camp this year. For the fifteen minutes he was there. He (and Wotherspoon and Valimaki) definitively out-performed Kulak (who had an unusually bad camp). He was an early cut because… uh…

    Why was he an early cut again?

    • I think like most Flames training camp players who were cut despite being somewhat impressive (Wotherspoon, Valimaki, Dube, Jankowski), it was a matter of convenience. Taking advantage of waiver eligibility and slide contracts to keep the developing players tucked away for when they’re better. That’s how we ended up with Tanner Glass and Matt Bartkowski, but that’s the logic unfortunately.

      • The Beej


        I dont know about that. If Jankowski made the team out of camp he would have been on the fourth line. Not the best position to succeed playing 8 min a night. This is what they did with Mangiapane and it is not successful.

        By waiting until they could ensure he was put in a position to succeed they did right.

        Nothing wrong with getting his motor running at 20 min a night in the AHL

        If he did make the team at day 1 would that really have impacted the season… well maybe negatively.

        Cmon. You are out to lunch here Tiberi and you know it.

      • The Beej

        And you are wrong. Its not just about contract convenience. Each player has a development plan in place. The plan isnt to rush anyone as that does not jive with a long term vision.

        Look at Winnipeg. Patience.

        The fact you are a writer here yet you seem completely ignorant of these things is frustratring.

          • You serious dude?

            1. Jankowski went down and played lights out hockey in the AHL. Playing in those eight games didn’t do anything good for his development, he was just too good for the AHL. Those eight games didn’t make him a 3C, he was already one walking into camp. Sending him down was pretty much regarded as a bad decision. The only feasible reason was that they already had 13 forward bodies who were waiver eligible and needed to send him down until someone got injured. Strange how he immediately jumped to 3C when he came in, even though Jagr, a RW, was the injured player. Almost as if they were waiting for a roster spot to be opened rather than a “position to succeed.”

            2. Yeah, Mangiapane did not impress in his ten games. It was also just that- ten games. He played with Stajan and Brouwer in a defence first role. You can’t throw that out at all as an example of failed development. Mangiapane was not worse off for getting those ten games in. The alternative was Tanner Glass, which would’ve been a bigger waste of people’s time.

            3. Kind of ironic to point to Winnipeg as an example of patience when their top five scorers have two (2) combined seasons of AHL experience. If you give good young players opportunities over known plugs, you will be rewarded. Surprising.

            4. It is true that each player has their own development plan, but you throw that in the trash when you compare Lazar and Dube. Lazar was never the WHL player Dube is, and the numbers show that. Even if Ottawa took their time, it is unlikely he would be much more than he is today. Sometimes a bad prospect is just a bad prospect regardless of where they’re picked. I would bet money that Dube would’ve outproduced Lazar had he been given that role. Dube would at least get the nine game cup of coffee if the Flames didn’t pay a second rounder for a waiver exempt fourth liner.

          • cberg

            Christian, excellent points. Keep it coming! Its amazing the blindness and seeming prejudice out there amongst guys who seem to swallow the Flames’ narrative of “let them simmer in the AHL” while at the same time signing and playing washed-up plugs because…. what, they are afraid to send vets down… or afraid to let prospects play because “they haven’t proven themselves” even though they never will because you don’t give them a chance (should I say Poirier?)…. Anyways, good response.

  • freethe flames

    The development Kylington and the potential of Valimaki may be what makes Brodie trade bait. Those two could battle it out for a spot; one thing that might be worth considering is one of them with Hamonic as he is a veteran who has played with a wild card player in Brodie. Who ever wins the job gets 15-20 games and if they are doing well they stay but if they struggle they can still I believe be waived and the other guy brought up. The key is have a 7th D who is better than Bart with the team.

  • freethe flames

    Just pondering an idea here. Assuming Kylington is as close as many presume here; what would a Brodie & Fox package get you out in the trade market? Would it secure you a RoR? Or someone else on a team looking for defenders both short term long term?

  • MDG1600

    I need to ask – if all our prospects in Stockton are so good how come they missed the playoffs the last two years? Andersson, Kylington, Wotherspoon, Mangiapane, Klimchuk, Shinkarkuk,Foo, Gillies, Rittich.

    • FL?MES

      Huh? I can only assume that you are not a Flames fan with an off-the-wall comment like that which is shows lack of knowledge about what happened with injuries and player movements the last two seasons in Stockton.

    • freethe flames

      You mentioned a lot of names and not one of them a center. Mangiapane missed a significant amount of time and I suspect had he been healthy they would have made the playoffs.

  • Mickey O

    Really not sold on Kylington. He’s a Brodie clone. A smooth skater, decent passer, can play the PP – but what about his defence, hockey IQ, and intensity? Kylington needs to play in the top 4 on a team, paired with a defensively competent partner. To me, there’s not much point having him on a bottom pairing. He isn’t big enough and can’t really play a shut-down game.

    The knock on him (perhaps unfairly, as he’s improved in that area) is that he makes bad decisions. Under different circumstances, and on a different team, then he could make the top 4. Can’t see how OK ever makes the Flames though. Valimaki has far more all around potential, and could likely play with Hamonic next year. Andersson has outlived the AHL, but there isn’t really any chatter that Kylington has done the same. Kulak brings more to the table on the defensive end.

    Kylington needs another year in the AHL where he’s given huge minutes and plays in all situations including the PK. He’s still very young and needs to work on the defensive aspect of his game. Could he turn into an offensively gifted d-man, who can run a powerplay? Sure, but it is tough to see how he ever gets that opportunity with the Flames.

    • piscera.infada

      Question for you: how many times have you actually watched Kylington (either in-person, or stream/TV)? I’m not trying to be sarcastic–I’m genuinely curious.

      The reason I ask is because I did watch a fair amount of him in his first two seasons in Stockton (short of going into the story for the umpteenth time, I had the AHL streaming service for those two years). Now, I haven’t seen him in person, but I would like to say the “bad decisions” and “poor defensive play” are fundamentally overblown. It seems people tend to get locked into that narrative because that’s what they heard when he was drafted, and that’s “why he slid in the draft” (which I’m not sure is entirely accurate), et cetera ad nausea…

      Frankly, as this article points out, Kylington was (and still is, to some extent) an extremely young AHL player. He has actual, tangible elite tools. He’s certainly not perfect as a player, but few are.

      The “defensive lapses” people will point to as absolutely telling are largely confirmation bias–they expect them because they’ve heard they should, so when they happen, people remember they happened. Having watched Kylington, his gap control is very good, and when he loses his gap, his elite (and I mean elite) skating makes up for it. His defensive instinct aren’t poor–certainly not to the extent some people tend to proffer, and not relative to his similarly-expereinced cohort. He has a much better offensive upside than Brodie as well. The kid is a really good player, and he is getting better.

      I would also like to point out here (and I will get pilloried for this, I know), as much as I like Valimaki, we all need to understand he was a pretty “safe” pick. I don’t mean that in a disparaging way, either. That kid is very good, but he also doesn’t have any truly “elite” skills. Yes, he’s a solid all-around player. He will be an NHL regular. I personally don’t see his upside the way some apparently do around here.

      [As an aside, there is a very good chance I’m wrong on that last point–I don’t portend to be some sort of prospect guru. I’m wrong sometimes (fine, most of the time) about players. My point here is simply, that I don’t think a lot of people give Kylington the due consideration he deserves–he seems almost an afterthought a lot of the time. I have been very excited about him for a long time, and I think the Flames have taken exactly the right steps in developing him (outside of cutting him early last training camp).]

      • calgaryfan

        Have not seen much of Kylington, being a fan I hope he becomes a great player for the Flames. I have seen Valimaki and he brings a lot to the table. He might not be NHL ready now but he is not far off. Valimaki has good hockey IQ and compete level. He will push hard for a job with the Flames at camp. Kulak, Andersson and Kylington better bring their best or Valimaki will take a spot.

      • Jumping Jack Flash

        Good post. I for one have only watched Kjillington a handful of times including streamed games in the AHL and international play. I have listened to the so called experts question his hockey IQ since he broke in. I am pleased to hear that he is improving. Personally, I think Anderson is close to being a very good top 4 defender if he improves his explosiveness…which I think he will.

        Since You have watched a lot of Stockton Heat games, I would like to get you take on Mangi. I think we can agree that Mangi was misused when he was promoted. GG wasn’t smart enough to try him on the PP or top 6 so he could get his first goal… then we would have seen a more confident player. Under the right circumstances maybe Mangi could be our Marchessault. He has some similarities, small, speedy, pro shot, and great hockey IQ. In fact his Junior and AHL stats are more impressive than Marchessault’s.

        It is unfortunate that we never got to see Mangi at the end given the same opportunity as Foo. In your opinion, does Mangi have what it takes to play top 6 on this team or will his potential have to be reached on another team.

        • FL?MES

          I have seen him twice. The guy has wheels, loves jumping into the the rush, and is a good PP point man. He’s an exciting player who can get fans out of their seats. Personally, I want to see offence and this guy brings it.

      • Baalzamon

        It seems to me that Kylington’s main problem is giveaways rather than defensive lapses. He seems to be allergic to making simple plays sometimes (though this is maybe the part of his game that has shown the most improvement over the years).

        I’ve always been a Kylington booster, and I’d even go as far as to say that I prefer his game (or rather his type of game) over Andersson’s. He just needs a lot more polish than the other Swede does (though his ceiling is also much higher).

      • EhPierre

        Only time I’ve seen OK play was in the World Juniors last year. I was only able to catch a game or two but in those two games, two main things popped out at me.

        1) He’s a pretty good PP point guy and he’s only going to get better
        2) His skating is phenomenal.

        He does make quite a few blunders and at times tried to be a bit too fancy with his stretch passes that result in icings but when he does make a mistake or two he has the confidence in his skating ability to catch up to the opposing player. Also, this was the World Juniors so the team didn’t have a lot of time to gel together which helps explain the miscues but, small sample size, I did find that he did make more errors than I would have liked seeing. Good news is that, even in the NHL level, he has the speed to catch up when he does make the mistake. Of all the defense prospects we have, him and Fox are the two I’m looking forward to the most. He definitely has a bright future ahead of him

        • Baalzamon

          Another explanation for the miscues: his partner was the utterly useless Gabriel Carlsson, meaning he had to play two positions at once (and since they were the first pair, he had to do so against top opposition).

      • The Beej

        I think you mistook what i meant in my earlier post.

        1. I never said those 8 games made Janko a 3 C. My point was that prospects should be put in good position to succeed.

        2. Mangiapane. Never said his development was a failure. Just didnt like how he was stuck on the fourth line for 8 min a night.

        3. Never said we should play the plugs. If anything my point was we should be prioritizing ice time for the prospects up the depth chart.

        4. You are right Lazar and Dube are not great comparables. But again you miss my point. I just dont want to see Dubes crucial development years wasted on the fourth line.

        Overall i think you missed the point of what i was saying.

        • The Beej


          Blindness. Swallow the flames narrative?

          You completely missed characterized everything I wrote and even made up stuff that I didnt write.

          I never once said the Flames should play plugs and ignore the prospects. If anything my point was the opposite. That prospects should be put in a postion to succeed.

          Im not blindly justifying what the flames do.

          They put Janko in a position to succeed but didnt do that Mangiapane.

          Worried they will screw up Dube by putting him on the 4th line next year in a crucial developmental year.

          I thought Tiberi was basically saying Dube should have made the 4th line this year. Which would be terrible for his development.

          You totally twisted my words.